Class Impact: Henry Gray to Miami

You actually put your MOST athletic guy at safety. If you look at NFL Combine, the safeties are the ones that have the elite Jumps and Top H/W adjusted 40's. CB's will have better 3-cone, shuttles, and 40(depending on H/W). Obviously theres elite athletes at CB too, but i'd say on average, safeties need to be more explosive.

That's not it either.

He can be athletic all day but if he isn't physical then you're up shyts creek
 
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That's not it either.

He can be athletic all day but if he isn't physical then you're up shyts creek
im not talking about a specific player. just literally about the diff in what you look for athletically in Corners and Safeties. Putting your least athletic guys at Safety is just stupid. Maybe if they're very intelligent they can make up for their lack of athleticism though.
 
Pretty sure Brandon Merriweathers first few games at Miami he played Nickel CB....(though don't think he was ever truly considered a corner), The same thing happened with Jaquan Johnson - first year starting was at Nickel CB because Jenkins and Carter were at Safety..

I'm pretty sure you are wrong..all of them played Safety.

Tip: In a 4-2-5...the extra DB is a safety, not a cb.


Antrel Rolle played CB, and moved to Safety in the NFL and played at a high level.
Adrian Colbert played CB here, and now in the NFL is a safety and is starting for the 49ers.
also pretty sure Bennie Blades went from Corner to Safety.

I'm referring to moving from cb to Saftey while at Miami...not the NFL.

and Bennie didn't play cb either
 
im not talking about a specific player. just literally about the diff in what you look for athletically in Corners and Safeties. Putting your least athletic guys at Safety is just stupid. Maybe if they're very intelligent they can make up for their lack of athleticism though.

I can respect that.
 
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tbh im confused who you guys are arguing about putting at CB and Safety.

I trust Rumphs decision more than yalls though, so idgaf. Plus its about where they can help the team most. If we have only 1 stud CB, and 3 stud Safeties, sorry bruh, Gil or Blades better contribute at CB..or vice versa
 
Antrel Rolle is an obvious one.

Played CB here and started there in the pros before moving to safety and becoming an all-pro a couple years anyway.

Rumph did the same thing - I think he moved to safety even sooner in the NFL. Wasn't quite as successful as Rolle from what I recall (in the NFL).

Can anyone name a former Miami DB that started out a cb and moved to Safety and played it at a high level?

LOL
 
Can anyone name a former Miami DB that started out a cb and moved to Safety and played it at a high level?

LOL
How about his position coach.... lmfao this is far too rich. Take that to the bank. 🤔🙄🤡🤯 how about antrel rolle... ur buddy redwine doesnt play it at the highest of levels but should we keep on. By the way while ur banking on things ill stick to what gil,al & mike have all talked about in my presence. Thanks.
 
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I'm pretty sure you are wrong..all of them played Safety.

Tip: In a 4-2-5...the extra DB is a safety, not a cb.




I'm referring to moving from cb to Saftey while at Miami...not the NFL.

and Bennie didn't play cb either
You didnt say that at all. And actually yes bennie defintely startedbout playing corner as well. Burgess wouldve been another one who played cb as well. And his was specifically in college
 
Great question & I agree with you on Samuel!

To answer you though, I would make a bunch of changes.

First off, I'm not sure about the hire of Patke & Simpson. I would have hired at least 1 proven Ace Defensive recruiter after Rumph & Kool's failure to land elite targets late in the cycle last year. Hopefully, they work out though, but TBD.

Secondly, I would readjust Rumph's recruiting role. This could be done in a lot of ways. You could move him off primary for Broward or you get Hartley/Dugans involved on any elite DB or defensive recruit that we're going after etc. I also think Rumph needs to go to a couple sales seminar and check his ego at the door (e.g. his reaction to Henderson & reports that he's done with "divas"). These are not adults, these are kids - and you need a cool head to deal with them and expect diva behavior. The big reality though is we've now missed on our top DB targets 3 years in a row, so something has to change!

I do get what you're saying but I've had the privilege of meeting Rumph numerous times when he's come by our school to recruit a few of our players. He knows the admin guy with the diehard CANE office and always stops by. He is great with our boys and they love him. I think the issue is more to do with current attention seeking generation and of course the bag game. Which we don't have. Rumph is not the problem, but that is only my worthless opinion.
I do however see your point.
 
His position coach feels differently since Gil is reminds him of when he came out of Atlantic.

Al Blades is the one who should move..he is dynamic at Safety.


I agree 100%, back when I did filming on staff for clewiston high school, our top WR Reggie Henderson was being recruited by Miami and we played University school. Blades was the corner covering him the entire game. I knew canes were recruiting both at the time and actually was hoping to see Blades Lock our boy down given the namesake of one of my all time favorites. But surprisingly, Blades got owned the entire game. He was torched for at least 2 tds that game. I was very conflicted to say the least. In all seriousness, when I came away from the game, my opinion was that Blades would make a far better safety. But I'm no secondary expert. What do I know?
 
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I'm pretty sure you are wrong..all of them played Safety.

Tip: In a 4-2-5...the extra DB is a safety, not a cb.




I'm referring to moving from cb to Saftey while at Miami...not the NFL.

and Bennie didn't play cb either

In a traditional nickel as opposed to a 4-2-5 with a "rover" or bandit type...which we are in a lot as well... and which is obv very similar to a 4-2-5, it's obv more often than not 3 corners....So I guess you think Bandy is a safety as well?
 
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Disagree, I hope your right though but I think u need those names that we missed to field a real UM secondary. A first rounder across the board type secondary.
I fully get where you are coming from but I think you may have misunderstood my post to a degree.

I completely agree that UM must get to a place where we are keeping most of the pick of the litter at home. I understand and fully appreciate the gravity of the misses we endured last cycle. I was as disappointed as anyone. In fact I was furious. My point however is that we are on an upward trajectory in terms of our desirability to elite recruits. Yes we missed on Campbell and Surtain but we did land Ivey, Frierson, Hall, Blades etc and are in a very good position for prospects like Stevenson, Richards, Battle and whoever else. After that we have a commitment from Henry Gray and are in very good position with Fred Davis.

Obviously none of the kids listed are a sure thing but we are at or near the top with all of them. This team will only continue to get better and when we finally find our QB of the near future we will be scoring points like it's XBOX. Yeah it sucked getting rejected by those kids last year and the year before with Henderson and the rest but we have no reason to believe that things will remain the same in that regard. Look, to use an old school analogy, you can't get laid if you dont get a number or two and the more numbers you get the higher the probability of getting some. Well, this program is getting tons of numbers. Sooner or later we're going to be *******!
 
In a traditional nickel as opposed to a 4-2-5 with a "rover" or bandit type...which we are in a lot as well... and which is obv very similar to a 4-2-5, it's obv more often than not 3 corners....So I guess you think Bandy is a safety as well?

You don't care about my opinion yet you're still here asking me questions

This is for free: Bandy played a safety position "in name" last season IF IF IF Manny was calling it a 4-2-5 defense. Why? Bc in a traditional 4-2-5. Outside of the corners, the remaining DB positions are called Free Safety, Weak Safety, and Strong Safety...this is terminology from the man that essentially invented/perfected the 4-2-5(Gary Patterson), some DC's call it Rover/Bandit/Bull/Hulk/Superman...depends on the DC. If Manny was calling it a nickel defense then Bandy was the nickel..a nickel can be either a safety or a cb. Just depends on the terminology.

Now of course your pre-school equivalent knowledge of football would say the position he's listed at on the roster (CB) is the position he's played last season but I expect that from you.

Next time I'm charging...
 
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How about his position coach.... lmfao this is far too rich. Take that to the bank. 🤔🙄🤡🤯 how about antrel rolle... ur buddy redwine doesnt play it at the highest of levels but should we keep on. By the way while ur banking on things ill stick to what gil,al & mike have all talked about in my presence. Thanks.

You be doing the most on this board I swear...get a grip. I'm clearing talking about while at the University of Miami.

You think I don't know HOF's Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson, and Charles Woodson all went from all pro cb to all pro safety and played it at a high level in the NFL? Really? You think I'm asking that? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! It just shows your level of comprehension.

and I don't care what was allegedly told to you. Currently, I can talk to him any day of the week and I do know what was told to me a mere 2 weeks ago.
 
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