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That's already in the works. Have to unionize these jits. Then y'all really gonna see how dirty this **** gets
Hopefully collective bargaining with a student-athlete’s union or trade association, real representation, comes sooner than later. Does the House settlement include any such item? Seems like you have a lot of coaches and administrators and TV people deciding that $20 million in revenue is enough to share with the students when there’s head coaches who make 40 to 50 to 60% of that all by themselves.
 
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Lol, spoken like a true lawyer. This whole ball of confusion is beginning to clarify itself as it builds momentum each season. It would be prudent to capture that momentum and rein it in before it blows up and destroys CFB as we know it. But, someone ,anyone needs to put their bigboy pants on and set aside their grievances and greed to step up to seek an equitable agreement. Not holding my breath, here. All parties involved can’t be this blind or ignorant to this reality. Or, playing it as it lays and waiting for an opportunity for a power grab. That seems more likely to me.
Unfortunately each conference is in it for themselves and not for the good of college football. Or they’re arrogant enough to think that what’s best for them is what’s best for college football. I’m referring to the SEC primarily and the Big Ten secondarily.

I do think 100+ D1 teams is too many and money is going to result in multiple tiers rather than just P4, G5, and then FCS. I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing, but I don’t see it anything but inevitable.
 
Unfortunately each conference is in it for themselves and not for the good of college football. Or they’re arrogant enough to think that what’s best for them is what’s best for college football. I’m referring to the SEC primarily and the Big Ten secondarily.

I do think 100+ D1 teams is too many and money is going to result in multiple tiers rather than just P4, G5, and then FCS. I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing, but I don’t see it anything but inevitable.
I agree, but ya know Money talks Bull**** walks. So anything can happen.
 
Hopefully collective bargaining with a student-athlete’s union or trade association, real representation, comes sooner than later. Does the House settlement include any such item? Seems like you have a lot of coaches and administrators and TV people deciding that $20 million in revenue is enough to share with the students when there’s head coaches who make 40 to 50 to 60% of that all by themselves.

Many states do not allow government entities to collectively bargain under the idea that the government shouldn’t be able to hold up the citizenry.

You can’t really “settlement” your way around that. You’d need the state legislatures to pass a law.
 
Hopefully collective bargaining with a student-athlete’s union or trade association, real representation, comes sooner than later. Does the House settlement include any such item? Seems like you have a lot of coaches and administrators and TV people deciding that $20 million in revenue is enough to share with the students when there’s head coaches who make 40 to 50 to 60% of that all by themselves.
If they are ever going to get a deal set in place that isn’t challenged in the court, it will have to be collective bargained. Any other way will be deemed illegal and will lose in the courts. Those are the facts.
 
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If they are ever going to get a deal set in place that isn’t challenged in the court, it will have to be collective bargained. Any other way will be deemed illegal and will lose in the courts. Those are the facts.
Who do the players negotiate with??? Who's the owners???

Edit - I'm only asking because I've thrown this out there to a few people already and have gotten some really good answers so I just wanted to hear more of what's on people's mind concerning the topic....
 
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Who do the players negotiate with??? Who's the owners???

Edit - I'm only asking because I've thrown this out there to a few people already and have gotten some really good answers so I just wanted to hear more of what's on people's mind concerning the topic....


I've said this before, and I know it's especially hard to conceptualize in an organization that was not set up for PROFESSIONAL sports...

And as much as I hate the NCAA...and as much as they have become nearly powerless as 100 different injunctions have been granted...

EVERY sport needs a sanctioning body. You do. You need an organization that represents the sports, that promulgates and enforces the rules, that sanctions the competitions, and that collects all the fractious children (individual universities) into one group.

Has the NCAA made numerous poor decisions in the past? Sure. But it's the organization that we've got.
 
I've said this before, and I know it's especially hard to conceptualize in an organization that was not set up for PROFESSIONAL sports...

And as much as I hate the NCAA...and as much as they have become nearly powerless as 100 different injunctions have been granted...

EVERY sport needs a sanctioning body. You do. You need an organization that represents the sports, that promulgates and enforces the rules, that sanctions the competitions, and that collects all the fractious children (individual universities) into one group.

Has the NCAA made numerous poor decisions in the past? Sure. But it's the organization that we've got.
Right I remember when you originally answered in another post I made, TY for that....
Let's go a step further here and maybe explain how the NCAA then would represent the owner/school side of things???
Would it be like how Goodell works with NFL owners??? Assuming the schools would be the owners ....
My thinking tells me if the schools indeed become the owners that would abolish NIL as we know it or at least the collective part of it , right??
I mean the schools would have to handle payment to players to become owners?? Or am I off there???
There's just no definitive other party at this point .... You have the schools, the conferences, the NCAA and the collectives... and there's probably more I just don't know about....
You see where am at in my head with this??? LOL!!!.... At some point in the seemingly very near future there needs to be lines drawn as to who handles what and who has final say at the bargaining table..... I hope I'm making sense with all this... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Right I remember when you originally answered in another post I made, TY for that....
Let's go a step further here and maybe explain how the NCAA then would represent the owner/school side of things???
Would it be like how Goodell works with NFL owners??? Assuming the schools would be the owners ....
My thinking tells me if the schools indeed become the owners that would abolish NIL as we know it or at least the collective part of it , right??
I mean the schools would have to handle payment to players to become owners?? Or am I off there???
There's just no definitive other party at this point .... You have the schools, the conferences, the NCAA and the collectives... and there's probably more I just don't know about....
You see where am at in my head with this??? LOL!!!.... At some point in the seemingly very near future there needs to be lines drawn as to who handles what and who has final say at the bargaining table..... I hope I'm making sense with all this... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:


I agree completely. This is a complex issue.

A lot of people tend to think that "the sanctioning body" is just a name or an organization. It goes far beyond that.

For instance, just to hold these events and get INSURANCE, there are so many things that the sport has to do to set rules, fair competition, and SAFETY. Nobody (corporate) wants to stand behind a sport where the competition is unfair, where there is rampant cheating, and/or where the participants are routinely and horrible injured.

Obviously, a big differential between the NCAA and most other PROFESSIONAL sports leagues is a history of promoting "amateurism" over professionalism. But at the same time, the NFL, the MLB, the NBA, the NHL, the MLS, NASCAR, F1, and all non-US soccer leagues...are just institutions that represent all of the "owners" of the franchises. And even though a billionaire does not own "The University of Miami Athletic Department", I still believe that UM is the owner of its own sports programs, at least for purposes of joining a sanctioning body and (down the road) collectively bargaining with athletes.

Just my 2 cents. Having worked for 6 years for one of the professional sports groups mentioned above.
 
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Who do the players negotiate with??? Who's the owners???

Edit - I'm only asking because I've thrown this out there to a few people already and have gotten some really good answers so I just wanted to hear more of what's on people's mind concerning the topic....
The owners are the universities, and if they don’t wanna get sued and continue to lose in court, whatever ever deal is reached, has to be collective bargained. The universities don’t wanna do this, but they have no choice if they ever want to deal in place that will stick.
 
I agree completely. This is a complex issue.

A lot of people tend to think that "the sanctioning body" is just a name or an organization. It goes far beyond that.

For instance, just to hold these events and get INSURANCE, there are so many things that the sport has to do to set rules, fair competition, and SAFETY. Nobody (corporate) wants to stand behind a sport where the competition is unfair, where there is rampant cheating, and/or where the participants are routinely and horrible injured.

Obviously, a big differential between the NCAA and most other PROFESSIONAL sports leagues is a history of promoting "amateurism" over professionalism. But at the same time, the NFL, the MLB, the NBA, the NHL, the MLS, NASCAR, F1, and all non-US soccer leagues...are just institutions that represent all of the "owners" of the franchises. And even though a billionaire does not own "The University of Miami Athletic Department", I still believe that UM is the owner of its own sports programs, at least for purposes of joining a sanctioning body and (down the road) collectively bargaining with athletes.

Just my 2 cents. Having worked for 6 years for one of the professional sports groups mentioned above.
Appreciate the answer.... Wherever this is headed I have a feeling it's gonna get ugly legally before we see any sort of rational resolution..... Or not... 🤣🤣
 
The owners are the universities, and if they don’t wanna get sued and continue to lose in court, whatever ever deal is reached, has to be collective bargained. The universities don’t wanna do this, but they have no choice if they ever want to deal in place that will stick.
If that's the case then the Uni's would have to be in control of pay, right???. As of now they can't directly pay players so a lot has to change legally... Am I correct???
 
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Many states do not allow government entities to collectively bargain under the idea that the government shouldn’t be able to hold up the citizenry.

You can’t really “settlement” your way around that. You’d need the state legislatures to pass a law.
Interesting. Did not know that. Thanks.
 
Just wanted to check in and see if we should be concerned about fielding a team this year after playing chicken with one of the most powerful public universities in the world

Have we cut any programs yet? Is the football team next?
 
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If that's the case then the Uni's would have to be in control of pay, right???. As of now they can't directly pay players so a lot has to change legally... Am I correct???
Yes, a lot has to change, but at the end of the day those changes have to be collectively bargained. End of the day, that is the most important thing because if it’s not, it will not hold up in court.
 
Yes, a lot has to change, but at the end of the day those changes have to be collectively bargained. End of the day, that is the most important thing because if it’s not, it will not hold up in court.

Yup. Can't have the universities and/or NCAA act in a unilateral fashion to set a salary cap (whether $20.5MM per school or otherwise) without running afoul of anti-trust laws.

If the NCAA member universities decide to band together in cartel fashion to impose a salary cap on individual athletes it will be disallowed by the courts. (Unless congress provides universities antitrust exemption which congress seems unwilling to do.)

The only way that the NCAA member universities can band together in cartel fashion to impose a salary cap on individual athletes without running afoul of antitrust law is if the athletes form and negotiate via their own collective bargaining unit.
 
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Yup. Can't have the universities and/or NCAA act in a unilateral fashion to set a salary cap (whether $20.5MM per school or otherwise) without running afoul of anti-trust laws.

If the NCAA member universities decide to band together in cartel fashion to impose a salary cap on individual athletes it will be disallowed by the courts. (Unless congress provides universities antitrust exemption which congress seems unwilling to do.)

The only way that the NCAA member universities can band together in cartel fashion to impose a salary cap on individual athletes without running afoul of antitrust law is if the athletes form and negotiate via their own collective bargaining unit.
There's one way to deal with this outside of unionization and collective bargaining.

Congress signs the Keep Our College Students Free From Distraction Law.

Specifications: No individual enrolled in a public or private college in the United States shall acquire earnings of more than $20K a year as set in 2025 value; this ceiling will be set to the annual rate of inflation. No school or private institution can hold money aside that was valued as earned during the student's college tenure to be paid as a balloon payment upon graduation

Basically a maximum wage law that is targeted specifically at college students.
 
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