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A few excerpts from Badger Extra today:
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Athletic director Chris McIntosh brought up the Lucas situation Wednesday during an Athletic Board meeting but made it clear during his monthly update to members that he’d have nothing more to say on the matter. “We’re continuing to work through it,” McIntosh said.


Whatever happens from here won’t make up for the sting of losing Lucas, who was supposed to be one of the building blocks in a rebuilding project under Luke Fickell that has fallen behind schedule.
Wisconsin has to ask itself if it really wants to sue a player. That’s a big step to take, and it would come with a lot of attention for a school that likes to pat itself on the back for having a high level of integrity. Would a win in court be worth any losses the school would take in the court of public opinion or on the recruiting trail?
The Badgers have the backing of the Big Ten Conference, but it would be their face on this case. Is this really a hill worth dying on for Wisconsin?

The school said it entered into “a binding two-year NIL agreement” with Lucas, but there are legitimate questions about whether that document would be considered enforceable. For starters, it’s contingent on a federal judge giving final approval in April on a proposed settlement of antitrust cases against the NCAA and major conferences.

There’s a need for reform in the NIL world, and yes, enforceable contracts would make life easier on coaches trying to build and maintain rosters. If constructed in a fair manner, these agreements also could serve as protection for athletes.

While Wisconsin denied an open-records request for its agreement with Lucas or even a template of that document, a BadgerExtra source confirmed the document, a memorandum of understanding, was crafted by the Big Ten for use by its member programs. Sportico, a digital media company that covers the sports industry, obtained a copy of the MOU from another Big Ten program and described the document as heavily tilted in favor of the school regarding an athlete’s NIL rights.
Critics have argued the document reads like one between an employer and employee. The NCAA and its member schools have gone out of their way to say athletes aren’t employees, and Sportico reported the “MOU aggressively attempts to extinguish the prospect of an athlete arguing the deal reflects an employment agreement.”


There’s a lot in that report that makes the Big Ten, and by extension its member schools, look like predators.
Meanwhile, the timing of this deal gives me some pause. Consider this: Wisconsin said it entered into its agreement with Lucas on Dec. 2, which was three days after the Badgers ended a 5-7 season with a 24-7 home loss to Minnesota. There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.
That doesn’t excuse Lucas for signing away his rights — did he have an attorney look over the document? — but it makes me want to learn more about the process. Hopefully Wisconsin is explaining the document to athletes. Hopefully school officials are encouraging athletes to seek legal representation before they sign on the dotted line.

Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place.

The ball is in Wisconsin’s court now, and it’s possible the school will do nothing going forward. That won’t satisfy its bloodthirsty fans, who are angry at Lucas, his lawyer and Miami, but swallowing its pride and sitting this one out might be the smartest move.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
A few excerpts from Badger Extra today:
-
Athletic director Chris McIntosh brought up the Lucas situation Wednesday during an Athletic Board meeting but made it clear during his monthly update to members that he’d have nothing more to say on the matter. “We’re continuing to work through it,” McIntosh said.


Whatever happens from here won’t make up for the sting of losing Lucas, who was supposed to be one of the building blocks in a rebuilding project under Luke Fickell that has fallen behind schedule.
Wisconsin has to ask itself if it really wants to sue a player. That’s a big step to take, and it would come with a lot of attention for a school that likes to pat itself on the back for having a high level of integrity. Would a win in court be worth any losses the school would take in the court of public opinion or on the recruiting trail?
The Badgers have the backing of the Big Ten Conference, but it would be their face on this case. Is this really a hill worth dying on for Wisconsin?

The school said it entered into “a binding two-year NIL agreement” with Lucas, but there are legitimate questions about whether that document would be considered enforceable. For starters, it’s contingent on a federal judge giving final approval in April on a proposed settlement of antitrust cases against the NCAA and major conferences.

There’s a need for reform in the NIL world, and yes, enforceable contracts would make life easier on coaches trying to build and maintain rosters. If constructed in a fair manner, these agreements also could serve as protection for athletes.

While Wisconsin denied an open-records request for its agreement with Lucas or even a template of that document, a BadgerExtra source confirmed the document, a memorandum of understanding, was crafted by the Big Ten for use by its member programs. Sportico, a digital media company that covers the sports industry, obtained a copy of the MOU from another Big Ten program and described the document as heavily tilted in favor of the school regarding an athlete’s NIL rights.
Critics have argued the document reads like one between an employer and employee. The NCAA and its member schools have gone out of their way to say athletes aren’t employees, and Sportico reported the “MOU aggressively attempts to extinguish the prospect of an athlete arguing the deal reflects an employment agreement.”


There’s a lot in that report that makes the Big Ten, and by extension its member schools, look like predators.
Meanwhile, the timing of this deal gives me some pause. Consider this: Wisconsin said it entered into its agreement with Lucas on Dec. 2, which was three days after the Badgers ended a 5-7 season with a 24-7 home loss to Minnesota. There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.
That doesn’t excuse Lucas for signing away his rights — did he have an attorney look over the document? — but it makes me want to learn more about the process. Hopefully Wisconsin is explaining the document to athletes. Hopefully school officials are encouraging athletes to seek legal representation before they sign on the dotted line.

Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place.

The ball is in Wisconsin’s court now, and it’s possible the school will do nothing going forward. That won’t satisfy its bloodthirsty fans, who are angry at Lucas, his lawyer and Miami, but swallowing its pride and sitting this one out might be the smartest move.
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Sounds like a complete it's better to just shut up and slide this one under the rug for Wisconsin situation lol
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
A few excerpts from Badger Extra today:
-
Athletic director Chris McIntosh brought up the Lucas situation Wednesday during an Athletic Board meeting but made it clear during his monthly update to members that he’d have nothing more to say on the matter. “We’re continuing to work through it,” McIntosh said.


Whatever happens from here won’t make up for the sting of losing Lucas, who was supposed to be one of the building blocks in a rebuilding project under Luke Fickell that has fallen behind schedule.
Wisconsin has to ask itself if it really wants to sue a player. That’s a big step to take, and it would come with a lot of attention for a school that likes to pat itself on the back for having a high level of integrity. Would a win in court be worth any losses the school would take in the court of public opinion or on the recruiting trail?
The Badgers have the backing of the Big Ten Conference, but it would be their face on this case. Is this really a hill worth dying on for Wisconsin?

The school said it entered into “a binding two-year NIL agreement” with Lucas, but there are legitimate questions about whether that document would be considered enforceable. For starters, it’s contingent on a federal judge giving final approval in April on a proposed settlement of antitrust cases against the NCAA and major conferences.

There’s a need for reform in the NIL world, and yes, enforceable contracts would make life easier on coaches trying to build and maintain rosters. If constructed in a fair manner, these agreements also could serve as protection for athletes.

While Wisconsin denied an open-records request for its agreement with Lucas or even a template of that document, a BadgerExtra source confirmed the document, a memorandum of understanding, was crafted by the Big Ten for use by its member programs. Sportico, a digital media company that covers the sports industry, obtained a copy of the MOU from another Big Ten program and described the document as heavily tilted in favor of the school regarding an athlete’s NIL rights.
Critics have argued the document reads like one between an employer and employee. The NCAA and its member schools have gone out of their way to say athletes aren’t employees, and Sportico reported the “MOU aggressively attempts to extinguish the prospect of an athlete arguing the deal reflects an employment agreement.”


There’s a lot in that report that makes the Big Ten, and by extension its member schools, look like predators.
Meanwhile, the timing of this deal gives me some pause. Consider this: Wisconsin said it entered into its agreement with Lucas on Dec. 2, which was three days after the Badgers ended a 5-7 season with a 24-7 home loss to Minnesota. There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.
That doesn’t excuse Lucas for signing away his rights — did he have an attorney look over the document? — but it makes me want to learn more about the process. Hopefully Wisconsin is explaining the document to athletes. Hopefully school officials are encouraging athletes to seek legal representation before they sign on the dotted line.

Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place.

The ball is in Wisconsin’s court now, and it’s possible the school will do nothing going forward. That won’t satisfy its bloodthirsty fans, who are angry at Lucas, his lawyer and Miami, but swallowing its pride and sitting this one out might be the smartest move.
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Take your brutalized asses back to the bitter cold. Lucas is going to be elite here and you can watch Dyoni Hill’s new mixtape videos.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
A few excerpts from Badger Extra today:
-
Athletic director Chris McIntosh brought up the Lucas situation Wednesday during an Athletic Board meeting but made it clear during his monthly update to members that he’d have nothing more to say on the matter. “We’re continuing to work through it,” McIntosh said.


Whatever happens from here won’t make up for the sting of losing Lucas, who was supposed to be one of the building blocks in a rebuilding project under Luke Fickell that has fallen behind schedule.
Wisconsin has to ask itself if it really wants to sue a player. That’s a big step to take, and it would come with a lot of attention for a school that likes to pat itself on the back for having a high level of integrity. Would a win in court be worth any losses the school would take in the court of public opinion or on the recruiting trail?
The Badgers have the backing of the Big Ten Conference, but it would be their face on this case. Is this really a hill worth dying on for Wisconsin?

The school said it entered into “a binding two-year NIL agreement” with Lucas, but there are legitimate questions about whether that document would be considered enforceable. For starters, it’s contingent on a federal judge giving final approval in April on a proposed settlement of antitrust cases against the NCAA and major conferences.

There’s a need for reform in the NIL world, and yes, enforceable contracts would make life easier on coaches trying to build and maintain rosters. If constructed in a fair manner, these agreements also could serve as protection for athletes.

While Wisconsin denied an open-records request for its agreement with Lucas or even a template of that document, a BadgerExtra source confirmed the document, a memorandum of understanding, was crafted by the Big Ten for use by its member programs. Sportico, a digital media company that covers the sports industry, obtained a copy of the MOU from another Big Ten program and described the document as heavily tilted in favor of the school regarding an athlete’s NIL rights.
Critics have argued the document reads like one between an employer and employee. The NCAA and its member schools have gone out of their way to say athletes aren’t employees, and Sportico reported the “MOU aggressively attempts to extinguish the prospect of an athlete arguing the deal reflects an employment agreement.”


There’s a lot in that report that makes the Big Ten, and by extension its member schools, look like predators.
Meanwhile, the timing of this deal gives me some pause. Consider this: Wisconsin said it entered into its agreement with Lucas on Dec. 2, which was three days after the Badgers ended a 5-7 season with a 24-7 home loss to Minnesota. There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.
That doesn’t excuse Lucas for signing away his rights — did he have an attorney look over the document? — but it makes me want to learn more about the process. Hopefully Wisconsin is explaining the document to athletes. Hopefully school officials are encouraging athletes to seek legal representation before they sign on the dotted line.

Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place.

The ball is in Wisconsin’s court now, and it’s possible the school will do nothing going forward. That won’t satisfy its bloodthirsty fans, who are angry at Lucas, his lawyer and Miami, but swallowing its pride and sitting this one out might be the smartest move.
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While that article explains certain parts of the story it conveniently leaves important facts which would be pertinent in any potential litigation and would harm any case Wisconsin has:

1. Wisconsin did not put XL in the Transfer portal which is a requirement per NCAA bylaws. Regardless of whatever XL signed Wisconsin had a requirement to put XL in the Transfer Portal and they did not.

2. Wisconsin keeps crying about tampering. This is a classic case of glass house - whatever evidence Wisconsin has I'm sure Miami can produce similar evidence against Wisconsin (and other institutions)

3. Given how allegedly predatory the language in the MOU Wisconsin and other schools that used this MOU need to tread very carefully - any opportunistic and skilled attorney could sue Wisconsin and/or the Big 10 for predatory practices.
 
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The U is back to work said:
Take your brutalized asses back to the bitter cold. Lucas is going to be elite here and you can watch Dyoni Hill’s new mixtape videos.
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Don’t understand why they are so salty
First they need to understand that even though they are in the big ten they are closer to northwestern than osu/oregon
And their fans already convinced themselves they got the better deal bc hill started more games last year here hahahahahaha
Man I always despised Wisconsin but now they are up there with Florida notre dame Penn state osu
 
Canesrule230 said:
While that article explains certain parts of the story it conveniently leaves important facts which would be pertinent in any potential litigation and would harm any case Wisconsin has:

1. Wisconsin did not put XL in the Transfer portal which is a requirement per NCAA bylaws. Regardless of whatever XL signed Wisconsin had a requirement to put XL in the Transfer Portal and they did not.

2. Wisconsin keeps crying about tampering. This is a classic case of glass house - whatever evidence Wisconsin has I'm sure Miami can produce similar evidence against Wisconsin (and other institutions)

3. Given how allegedly predatory the language in the MOU Wisconsin and other schools that used this MOU need to tread very carefully - any opportunistic and skilled attorney could sue Wisconsin and/or the Big 10 for predatory practices.
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The article did mention all 3 of those points.

"Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place."
 
And this was from a Wisconsin publication?

There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.

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PennsylvaniaCane said:
And this was from a Wisconsin publication?

There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.

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Yes. Their local site writers haven’t been as vocally supportive as their fans. They definitely see the other side
 
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I don’t see how an attorney agent or representative of a kid would ever let there kid sign a contract where payment can go up or down solely at the discretion of the University.
I mean this allows the University to just lower a kids NIL just because they need money to sign someone else or just because and the recruit has no recourse in the matter.

I’m no lawyer but I’d never let my kid sign something like that cause it’s so one way.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
A few excerpts from Badger Extra today:
-
Athletic director Chris McIntosh brought up the Lucas situation Wednesday during an Athletic Board meeting but made it clear during his monthly update to members that he’d have nothing more to say on the matter. “We’re continuing to work through it,” McIntosh said.


Whatever happens from here won’t make up for the sting of losing Lucas, who was supposed to be one of the building blocks in a rebuilding project under Luke Fickell that has fallen behind schedule.
Wisconsin has to ask itself if it really wants to sue a player. That’s a big step to take, and it would come with a lot of attention for a school that likes to pat itself on the back for having a high level of integrity. Would a win in court be worth any losses the school would take in the court of public opinion or on the recruiting trail?
The Badgers have the backing of the Big Ten Conference, but it would be their face on this case. Is this really a hill worth dying on for Wisconsin?

The school said it entered into “a binding two-year NIL agreement” with Lucas, but there are legitimate questions about whether that document would be considered enforceable. For starters, it’s contingent on a federal judge giving final approval in April on a proposed settlement of antitrust cases against the NCAA and major conferences.

There’s a need for reform in the NIL world, and yes, enforceable contracts would make life easier on coaches trying to build and maintain rosters. If constructed in a fair manner, these agreements also could serve as protection for athletes.

While Wisconsin denied an open-records request for its agreement with Lucas or even a template of that document, a BadgerExtra source confirmed the document, a memorandum of understanding, was crafted by the Big Ten for use by its member programs. Sportico, a digital media company that covers the sports industry, obtained a copy of the MOU from another Big Ten program and described the document as heavily tilted in favor of the school regarding an athlete’s NIL rights.
Critics have argued the document reads like one between an employer and employee. The NCAA and its member schools have gone out of their way to say athletes aren’t employees, and Sportico reported the “MOU aggressively attempts to extinguish the prospect of an athlete arguing the deal reflects an employment agreement.”


There’s a lot in that report that makes the Big Ten, and by extension its member schools, look like predators.
Meanwhile, the timing of this deal gives me some pause. Consider this: Wisconsin said it entered into its agreement with Lucas on Dec. 2, which was three days after the Badgers ended a 5-7 season with a 24-7 home loss to Minnesota. There’s something unsettling about an institution armed with lawyers — and additional legal guidance from its powerhouse conference — putting a complex document in front of a college freshman and asking for a signature on the Monday after a season ends.
That doesn’t excuse Lucas for signing away his rights — did he have an attorney look over the document? — but it makes me want to learn more about the process. Hopefully Wisconsin is explaining the document to athletes. Hopefully school officials are encouraging athletes to seek legal representation before they sign on the dotted line.

Wisconsin, which ignored an NCAA bylaw by refusing to enter Lucas’ name in the portal within two business days, pointed the finger at Miami for breaking a different set of rules regarding tampering. Wisconsin’s statement said it had “credible information indicating impermissible contact” between Lucas and the Hurricanes.
If true, Wisconsin would be well within its rights to do everything in its power to make sure Miami gets punished. But what would that look like? Expecting the NCAA to deliver anything more than a slap on the wrist to the Hurricanes seems overly optimistic. If there’s legal recourse Wisconsin can take against Miami, we again have to ask ourselves how enforceable this agreement between Lucas and the Badgers was in the first place.

The ball is in Wisconsin’s court now, and it’s possible the school will do nothing going forward. That won’t satisfy its bloodthirsty fans, who are angry at Lucas, his lawyer and Miami, but swallowing its pride and sitting this one out might be the smartest move.
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Seems like some common sense and realizing the court of public opinion will last inevitably longer than the actual courts would.
 
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