Canes to B1G?

[SayWhat]

I want to hear why you think it’s a crazy and dumb idea.

Low chance of happening….maybe, but some kind of unequal revenue distribution, even if not as drastic as what I want to happen, is probably inevitable if they want to keep the top 3 or 4 teams in the ACC from bailing.

SEC and Big 10 schools making 2x and 3x as much as ACC schools is not sustainable. It will never last. If it remains the case, I guarantee the ACC is toast

None of the other schools would vote for that. There is zero chance they would as it would be akin to slicing your own throat.

You could try for keeping your own bowl revenue, but again, why would they vote on it?

As for what the Big does, I don't see them coming for us. They would be looking at UNC and Virginia first and foremost. Schools like them essentially, large state schools with good academics, etc. Clemson would likely be next up.

I could legitimately see them going after FSU, GT, and VT afterwards. We're there after those schools.

 

[RightSaidFred]

None of the other schools would vote for that. There is zero chance they would as it would be akin to slicing your own throat.

You could try for keeping your own bowl revenue, but again, why would they vote on it?

As for what the Big does, I don't see them coming for us. They would be looking at UNC and Virginia first and foremost. Schools like them essentially, large state schools with good academics, etc. Clemson would likely be next up.

I could legitimately see them going after FSU, GT, and VT afterwards. We're there after those schools.

Would be a tough sell, you’re right. But the alternative for those schools (Wake etc) is you hang on with equal distribution for 5 more years or so, and then the ACC collapses and you’re stuck in a G5 conference like the Big 12 leftovers.

Because there is zero chance Clemson, FSU, Miami, and UNC will settle for making THAT much less than their peers in the SEC.

ACC schools can do nothing, but then in a few years what happened to the Big 12 is gonna happen to them.

 

[SayWhat]

Would be a tough sell, you’re right. But the alternative for those schools (Wake etc) is you hang on with equal distribution for 5 more years or so, and then the ACC collapses and you’re stuck in a G5 conference like the Big 12 leftovers.

Because there is zero chance Clemson, FSU, Miami, and UNC will settle for making THAT much less than their peers in the SEC.

ACC schools can do nothing, but then in a few years what happened to the Big 12 is gonna happen to them.

Ultimately it'll come down to invites. Who is invited where. If they don't poach schools, there's my idea below.

If I was the PAC and Big, I would just get Notre Dame in, even up the conferences, and form a conference together, keep the alignments the same, and ultimately have the Big face the PAC at the end of the year.

Out of conference games would be inter conference with the PAC on a rotating basis.

ACC will get poached for sure if they all start making moves.

 

[Hurracanes]

Big East had revenue sharing, but your bowl game revenue was yours. I believe your out of conference games were yours as well, but I'm not 100 percent certain on that.

Sounds about right.

 

[Okefenokee Cane]

Big 10 would welcome da U. Should be able to compete with Harbag at Michigan. As far as wrestling, that 7 floor crew do plenty of “wrestling” from what I hears.

 

[Okefenokee Cane]

Hey, good to see you back! Win ewe was ailing Granny Hawkins had me go out in the swamp and collect some herbs and a Newt for a poultice and her ailing brew. She gave you a spoon full and you jumped out you bed and started dancing and talking in tongues!

Yeah bro I danced like **** when dat black widow spider serum hit me! CDC wants da recipe now

 

[Badbart43]

Ironically, where the ACC hurt us (helped, as well) is with the guaranteed money. Shalala and the University saw that money coming in and stopped prioritizing/investing into the program.

At the Big East, I believe the money was not distributed equally like the ACC. When we didn’t make a big bowl game or a bottom tier bowl, we lost a lot of money; therefore, winning was the only option. The program couldn’t afford not to make BCS or bowl games. Hence, why we bounced.

Thank you

 

[Cknucks305]

They dislike FSU more than us.

Yeah they may, but they also fear us more.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Nebraska was, not sure why they lost accreditation

"Chancellor Harvey Perlman said that the lack of an on-campus medical school (the Medical Center is a separate campus of the University of Nebraska system) and the AAU's disregarding of USDA-funded agricultural research in its metrics hurt the university's performance in the association's internal ranking system. In 2010 Perlman stated that had Nebraska not been part of the AAU, the Big Ten Conference would likely not have invited it to become the athletic conference's 12th member."

Look, we all know that Miami is a **** fine academic institution, but if the Big 10 wants to manufacture an excuse to not invite Miami, THIS is the ideal excuse (though the Big 10 is perfectly willing to ignore AAU membership when it comes to Notre Dame).

In any event, for over 3 decades (since UiF got AAU membership), I have been asking the question of WHY Miami has not applied/been granted membership to the AAU. I would have expected the effort to be made under Shalala, not sure why it wasn't pushed harder. Should be a relevant question when the BoT interviews candidates to replace Frenk.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Can honestly say I never knew this

Ordinarily, I would say "taking it up the **** chute from older out-of-shape men" is Ped State's brand, but, yes, the Big 10 refs didn't do the ****tany Lines any favors for the first decade or two of Big 10 membership.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I just don’t see the “tradition rich” Ohio Taint, Pedo State, and Meeechigan welcoming us with open arms. Those arrogant cucks will probably thumb their noses up at us. The others might be more inclined to accept.

I also believe the logistics are not favorable. That being said, it may come to a point we’re we have no alternative.

Ten years ago, I would agree. But with the Rust Belt shedding population every single year to Florida, there is a different sense of practicality now. Not to mention that the cable TV revenue for the Big 10 Network would receive a healthy boost from moving into a new state. The THIRD-LARGEST state, by population.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

They were, then they lost it during the realignment process. The Big 10 knew it was coming and reduced their otherwise equal medal rights share until they got re-accredited.

Nebraska was not readmitted to the AAU.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

Nebraska was not readmitted to the AAU.

Didn't say it was.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Members have to pay $80k per year in membership dues. I wouldn't be surprised if Miami was like, "80k? That's too expensive for an accreditation we don't really need." AAU isn't like the Big10 Academic Alliance where there is a 10 billion pot of research money. It's more prestige and lobbying. Also, I don't think the books have been open since the 1990s so it doesn't look like the AAU is actively recruiting new members. From what I learned online, one massive factor in AAU accreditation is biomedical research. Miami has some of the premier biomed research in the world. I don't think that meeting their requirements for AAU accreditation would be a big problem (it was an issue for Nebraska because they have a ton of agricultural research, but the AAU doesn't weigh that as heavily as biomed). Notre Dame isn't an AAU member either and I suspect many people would consider Notre Dame to be a top research university.

Schools that have joined the AAU since the 1990s:


School, Type, Founded, Joined AAU, Student Body, US News Global Rank, US News US Rank

Emory University	Emory, Georgia	Private	1836	1995	14,513	71	21
University of California, Santa Barbara	UC-Santa Barbara, California	Public	1944	1995	25,057	56	30
University of California, Davis	UC-Davis, California	Public	1905	1996	34,175	66	39
University of California, Irvine	UC-Irvine, California	Public	1965	1996	29,588	78	35
Stony Brook University	Stony Brook, New York	Public	1957	2001	26,814	176	88
Texas A&M University	Texas A&M, Texas	Public	1876	2001	62,185	130	66
Georgia Institute of Technology	Georgia Tech, Georgia	Public	1885	2010	29,370	66	35
Boston University	Boston U, Massachusetts	Private	1839	2012	30,009	57	42
Dartmouth College	Dartmouth, New Hampshire	Private	1769	2019	6,571	226	13
University of California, Santa Cruz	UC-Santa Cruz, California	Public	1965	2019	19,457	81	97
University of Utah	Utah, Utah	Public	1850	2019	32,994	142	97
Tufts University	Tufts, Massachusetts	Private	1852	2021	11,024	182	30

 

[Rellyrell]

I don't see how they stay independent now. They are losing tons of money by being independent. Even if they joined the ACC right now they'd be making more money, I can't imagine they keep this up for much longer.

We need to renegotiate the ACC TV deal with clauses if/when we can add Notre Dame. Throw in another clause if we can add Penn State. There's no reason the Big 10 makes so much more money than we do. SEC I can understand, not the Big 10.

Agreed w/ ur last statement.

As to why ND remains Independent, this is something I found.

Why is Notre Dame not in a conference? Four reasons the Irish remain independent in football | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Didn't say it was.

Yeah you did.


MichiCANE said:
They took Nebraska and they’re not AAU

rustywalkedaway said:
They were, then they lost it during the realignment process. The Big 10 knew it was coming and reduced their otherwise equal medal rights share until they got re-accredited.

 

[Rellyrell]

Ironically, where the ACC hurt us (helped, as well) is with the guaranteed money. Shalala and the University saw that money coming in and stopped prioritizing/investing into the program.

At the Big East, I believe the money was not distributed equally like the ACC. When we didn’t make a big bowl game or a bottom tier bowl, we lost a lot of money; therefore, winning was the only option. The program couldn’t afford not to make BCS or bowl games. Hence, why we bounced.

WHICH is another reason y I had reservations on joining The ACC. That guaranteed money allowed us to rest on our laurels.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Michigan and NWU then Illinois and Wisky.
That’s it in terms of academics IMO.

I'm not responding to any one particular poster, but we need to be clear about this.

The Big 10 is not just "good academics" in an amorphous sense of the phrase.

The Big 10 has REQUIRED member schools (and newly applying schools) to be AAU members. The AAU is not just "Top 25" or "Top 40" schools per US News. There are specific criteria used by the AAU that relate to research and teaching.

Nebraska has fallen out of the AAU...but AFTER it was already a Big 10 member. The Big 10 has clearly intended to make an exception for Notre Dame. Outside of ND, the easiest reason for the Big 10 to "reject Miami's credit application" would be "you aren't an AAU member, byyyyeeee".

We may not like it, but those have been the "rules" for a while. Until recently, the Big 10 wanted AAU members with on-campus stadiums. Really, the only two criteria. Rutgers got a pass on the stadium, because "NYC market". ND will get a pass on ACC membership because "ND, yo".

But let's move beyond the hard-to-define phrase of "good academics", and just focus on "AAU membership".

As a UM alum, I am still stunned that we have not applied/been invited.

 

[rustywalkedaway]

Yeah you did.


MichiCANE said:
They took Nebraska and they’re not AAU

rustywalkedaway said:
They were, then they lost it during the realignment process. The Big 10 knew it was coming and reduced their otherwise equal medal rights share until they got re-accredited.

Yes, I know what I wrote. That was the deal for admission. I did not say they became re-accredited, but maybe your post helps you feel important. If so, congratulations.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ironically, where the ACC hurt us (helped, as well) is with the guaranteed money. Shalala and the University saw that money coming in and stopped prioritizing/investing into the program.

At the Big East, I believe the money was not distributed equally like the ACC. When we didn’t make a big bowl game or a bottom tier bowl, we lost a lot of money; therefore, winning was the only option. The program couldn’t afford not to make BCS or bowl games. Hence, why we bounced.

Patently false. Demonstrably, provably false.

OPERATIONALLY, Donna supported the move from the BE to the ACC just BECAUSE it generated more annual revenue for the Athletic Department. There was no major "academic" rationale for the ACC over the BE, as there would be in joining the Big 10. And, at the time, Shalala made the move even though it stranded her former institution, Syracuse, in a lesser conference.

From a CAPITAL EXPENDITURE standpoint, Donna provided most of the impetus for building the on-campus arena, something Foote never could finish up in his 20 years as president. Additionally, the IPF is something that Donna pushed up the "prioritization/investing" hierarchy, though it was completed shortly after she left.

You have conveniently ignored the fact that the City of Coral Gables blocked ALL on-campus building/renovation for nearly a decade, which also delayed work on the new Student Union, the Lowe Art Museum, the Music School, and the new Residential Colleges. This false narrative that Donna didn't spend money on Athletic facilities is just garbage.