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[weownfsu]

What bad teams did we lose to last year? FSU was 14-0, Louisville was 12-1, Duke was 10-3, and Va Tech was 8-5.

I'm not sure who you think we would've lost to, but the fact that you're even arguing this blows my mind. Because you're saying we would've lost to a team we actually beat.

Va Tech was not a good team. The fact that you're actually arguing that we'd get 10 wins against the same schedule as a team that won 10 games, but was 18 points better than us, blows my mind. Maybe you haven't been watching much Hurricane football lately, but if it's not one thing, it's something else. Since you couldn't tell from the exchange before about how Duke beat VT but we lost to VT and Duke lost to GT but we beat them, this is a useless discussion.

Oh, and I didn't even check, but in all likelihood, we'd get wrecked by Navy. They won 9 games last year, and Al Golden's 8.3% winning percentage against teams with 8 or more wins does not give me much confidence in a game against a 9 win team.

You're right, it is useless! You're the one that brought up all that nonsense.

I'm just saying that we would've beaten NC State if they were on our schedule.

No, you mouth breather. I was the one that laughed at the notion we'd win 10 games against Duke's schedule. I wasn't the one who brought it up. And no, you're trying to change your argument now. It wasn't just about NCSU, it was about UM winning 10 games against Duke's schedule. That was the discussion. Now that I bothered to look at Duke's OOC opponents, I know that isn't true at all because Navy would have shredded UM. So UM would have 9 wins, and if it wasn't one thing, it was just something else. Like I said.

I was about to argue with you the millions of places where you're wrong -- but this is really, really pointless. May your 9,727 post on CanesInsight be more productive. Have a good weekend.

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Va Tech was not a good team. The fact that you're actually arguing that we'd get 10 wins against the same schedule as a team that won 10 games, but was 18 points better than us, blows my mind. Maybe you haven't been watching much Hurricane football lately, but if it's not one thing, it's something else. Since you couldn't tell from the exchange before about how Duke beat VT but we lost to VT and Duke lost to GT but we beat them, this is a useless discussion.

Oh, and I didn't even check, but in all likelihood, we'd get wrecked by Navy. They won 9 games last year, and Al Golden's 8.3% winning percentage against teams with 8 or more wins does not give me much confidence in a game against a 9 win team.

You're right, it is useless! You're the one that brought up all that nonsense.

I'm just saying that we would've beaten NC State if they were on our schedule.

No, you mouth breather. I was the one that laughed at the notion we'd win 10 games against Duke's schedule. I wasn't the one who brought it up. And no, you're trying to change your argument now. It wasn't just about NCSU, it was about UM winning 10 games against Duke's schedule. That was the discussion. Now that I bothered to look at Duke's OOC opponents, I know that isn't true at all because Navy would have shredded UM. So UM would have 9 wins, and if it wasn't one thing, it was just something else. Like I said.

I was about to argue with you the millions of places where you're wrong -- but this is really, really pointless. May your 9,727 post on CanesInsight be more productive. Have a good weekend.

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

 

[The Franchise]

Duke Johnson is worth 20 points per game. When we lost him we lost 20 points per game. With him last year we go undefeated or have 1 loss tops.

Duke Johnson against Duke was worth 300 yards rushing and about 15 minutes of possession.

Losing Duke Johnson made our defense bad. It was stellar before he went down.

You guys are ****-stupid and completely missing the point I made. Speaking of strawman points--look no further than the snarky, short-sided comments above.

Duke Johnson isn't worth any "stat". I'm saying he changes the gameplan offensively, and allows you to possess the ball longer, and sustain drives better. Against teams like Duke/Louisville, he would have made a difference. I never said he made 20 points difference. I never said without him we lose 1 game or go undefeated. I never said he was worth 300 yards rushing and 15 minutes of possession. If you can't differentiate the point I made from all the bullsh1t you posted following that, then maybe you don't belong in this conversation to begin with. One thing I did do was point out before anyone else did that we won TOP against Duke...but that it could have been even better had the playcalling been different.

The D sucks. I've said that. It's absolutely sh1tty, no argument from me there.

There's also an argument to be made about Coley's playcalling (which I've been highly critical of). We averaged 6.4 per carry against Duke, yet Morris throws it 49 times. Why the fvck did that happen? Duke ran for nearly 400 yards against our D in that game, and didn't stop doing it because we couldn't do anything about it. Why couldn't Coley have done the same to them? Simple #Dale. Just like "Simple Jack" from Tropic Thunder, just a worse playcaller.

If you don't like the argument that having Duke Johnson wouldn't have made a difference, then maybe you can at least see the validity in another short-coming we have...which is Coley's playcalling not being conducive to possessing the football more for chunks of time to help us keep the D off the field. Again--look no further than that 4th quarter against Duke to see what I'm talking about.

First of all, personally attack me again, and I will stab your eyes out with a spork. I am your intellectual superior, and don't ever forget that.

All of your points are esoteric as usual. Typical BCWD mental *********ion. Is our team better with Duke? Of course it is. Who the fck would argue otherwise? Is he good enough to make up for the *** stompings we took last year? No because one RB doesn't make that much of a difference.

Did the teams that kicked our *** have some injuries that they had to overcome, or did they have every one of their players healthy? You want to start playing the injury game, then you need to do it for the opponents too.

 

[weownfsu]

You're right, it is useless! You're the one that brought up all that nonsense.

I'm just saying that we would've beaten NC State if they were on our schedule.

No, you mouth breather. I was the one that laughed at the notion we'd win 10 games against Duke's schedule. I wasn't the one who brought it up. And no, you're trying to change your argument now. It wasn't just about NCSU, it was about UM winning 10 games against Duke's schedule. That was the discussion. Now that I bothered to look at Duke's OOC opponents, I know that isn't true at all because Navy would have shredded UM. So UM would have 9 wins, and if it wasn't one thing, it was just something else. Like I said.

I was about to argue with you the millions of places where you're wrong -- but this is really, really pointless. May your 9,727 post on CanesInsight be more productive. Have a good weekend.

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

No, you mouth breather. I was the one that laughed at the notion we'd win 10 games against Duke's schedule. I wasn't the one who brought it up. And no, you're trying to change your argument now. It wasn't just about NCSU, it was about UM winning 10 games against Duke's schedule. That was the discussion. Now that I bothered to look at Duke's OOC opponents, I know that isn't true at all because Navy would have shredded UM. So UM would have 9 wins, and if it wasn't one thing, it was just something else. Like I said.

I was about to argue with you the millions of places where you're wrong -- but this is really, really pointless. May your 9,727 post on CanesInsight be more productive. Have a good weekend.

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

 

[weownfsu]

I was about to argue with you the millions of places where you're wrong -- but this is really, really pointless. May your 9,727 post on CanesInsight be more productive. Have a good weekend.

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

I have no idea. What I do know is that we can't beat teams with 8 or more wins, so to assume that we could beat them just because the program is from a mid-major is silly, especially when we had one of the worst rush defenses in the country.

I thought you were done with this conversation though?

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I'm not wrong about anything I said. You're trying to change this into some alternate reality where all you said was that UM would have beaten NCSU, but that's not what the discussion was about--it was about UM palying Duke's schedule--and if UM played Duke's schedule they'd up with at most 9 wins because they are incapable of beating Navy. Try harder next time.

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

I have no idea. What I do know is that we can't beat teams with 8 or more wins, so to assume that we could beat them just because the program is from a mid-major is silly, especially when we had one of the worst rush defenses in the country.

I thought you were done with this conversation though?

Well, you started debating my original argument. I was done with the "Duke was 18 points better" so how could we also get 10 wins off their schedule argument.

So you have no idea how many of those 8 win teams came from a mid major, but your assumption is that we are incapable of beating an 8 win mid major solely based off of their win total, regardless of how said team accomplished those 8 wins? Sounds legit.

 

[weownfsu]

Navy lost to Western Kentucky and Toledo last year. Really don't think we'd have a problem toasting that cupcake.

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

I have no idea. What I do know is that we can't beat teams with 8 or more wins, so to assume that we could beat them just because the program is from a mid-major is silly, especially when we had one of the worst rush defenses in the country.

I thought you were done with this conversation though?

Well, you started debating my original argument. I was done with the "Duke was 18 points better" so how could we also get 10 wins off their schedule argument.

So you have no idea how many of those 8 win teams came from a mid major, but your assumption is that we are incapable of beating an 8 win mid major solely based off of their win total, regardless of how said team accomplished those 8 wins? Sounds legit.

Let me know the next time Golden beats a team with even 8 wins. Until then, take your own advice and see your way out of the thread. Hopefully you've now realized why your argument was stupid in the first place.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Navy had 9 wins last year. We didn't even beat a team with 8 wins last year. Golden is 1-12 against teams with 8 or more wins during his time at UM. So yeah, UM would have a major problem with it unless you want to ignore reality.

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

I have no idea. What I do know is that we can't beat teams with 8 or more wins, so to assume that we could beat them just because the program is from a mid-major is silly, especially when we had one of the worst rush defenses in the country.

I thought you were done with this conversation though?

Well, you started debating my original argument. I was done with the "Duke was 18 points better" so how could we also get 10 wins off their schedule argument.

So you have no idea how many of those 8 win teams came from a mid major, but your assumption is that we are incapable of beating an 8 win mid major solely based off of their win total, regardless of how said team accomplished those 8 wins? Sounds legit.

Let me know the next time Golden beats a team with even 8 wins. Until then, take your own advice and see your way out of the thread. Hopefully you've now realized why your argument was stupid in the first place.

Yes, you've fully convinced me that we are incapable of beating any mid-major with 8 wins. I'll give you back the internet now.

 

[weownfsu]

And how many of those 12 losses were to independent or mid-majors or fcs schools? Just Notre Dame, right?

You think we would've got smoked by Louisiana Lafayette, Old Dominion, and North Texas last year too?

I have no idea. What I do know is that we can't beat teams with 8 or more wins, so to assume that we could beat them just because the program is from a mid-major is silly, especially when we had one of the worst rush defenses in the country.

I thought you were done with this conversation though?

Well, you started debating my original argument. I was done with the "Duke was 18 points better" so how could we also get 10 wins off their schedule argument.

So you have no idea how many of those 8 win teams came from a mid major, but your assumption is that we are incapable of beating an 8 win mid major solely based off of their win total, regardless of how said team accomplished those 8 wins? Sounds legit.

Let me know the next time Golden beats a team with even 8 wins. Until then, take your own advice and see your way out of the thread. Hopefully you've now realized why your argument was stupid in the first place.

Yes, you've fully convinced me that we are incapable of beating any mid-major with 8 wins. I'll give you back the internet now.

You've fully convinced me that UM would win 10 games playing the same schedule as Duke, a team that beat UM by 3 touchdowns and only won 10 games.

I guess you didn't get the memo about how dumb this was when you started going back and forth initially about how VT beat uM but duke beat VT and GT beat UM but duke lost to GT? And yes, that was supposed to sound confusing. Because it's stupid.