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Canes Camp Report 4/2 - RB w/ Hurlie Brown

That was Hoilett putting in work, right?

Kid looks the part physically for a RS freshman
 
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I have no problems with haggens carrying the rock.....he was only one of the best rbs in Hillsborough county.....especially after Duke has got the defense gassed mo is the last thing you wanna see coming at you believe me
 
I agree that we are extremely pedestrian at RB after Duke.

I can definitely see Hagans getting a lot more work and becoming our short yardage back and #2 RB unless Dillard or Edwards steps up.

I agree about Hagans pass blocking from that video. Wow that was hard to watch.

Looked extremely disinterested in blocking and didn't look very athletic or tough when blocking. Needs an attitude adjustment, needs to play with more fire.

Does he have that kind of fire inside? I hope so.
 
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Spidercane said:
I agree that we are extremely pedestrian at RB after Duke.

I can definitely see Hagans getting a lot more work and becoming our short yardage back and #2 RB unless Dillard or Edwards steps up.

I agree about Hagans pass blocking from that video. Wow that was hard to watch.

Looked extremely disinterested in blocking and didn't look very athletic or tough when blocking. Needs an attitude adjustment, needs to play with more fire.

Does he have that kind of fire inside? I hope so.
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Dillard was the poor blocker. Havens seemed fine (if I recall)
 
magilacuty cane said:
Greg Olsen
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Haha I was about to post the same thing. Good eye.
 
Spidercane said:
I agree that we are extremely pedestrian at RB after Duke.

I can definitely see Hagans getting a lot more work and becoming our short yardage back and #2 RB unless Dillard or Edwards steps up.

I agree about Hagans pass blocking from that video. Wow that was hard to watch.

Looked extremely disinterested in blocking and didn't look very athletic or tough when blocking. Needs an attitude adjustment, needs to play with more fire.

Does he have that kind of fire inside? I hope so.
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Dillard is 32
 
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Hagens was doing well. Dillard won't see the field blocking like that. Crawford looked bigger to me. I think he's going to be a bigger part of the offense, but they need Edwards to come in a spell Johnson. I don't think they'll trust Dillard to protect Morris.
 
I only watched it once but it looked like Gunter fell victim to a wheel route from the slot WR against Cover-3. He condensed on the post route, which is exactly what he's supposed to do in Cover-3, but he didn't see the wheel route running behind him. Pretty tough play for a CB to make. You have to condense, see the wheel route, then get back outside. It wasn't like he got straight up toasted. That's a good play design by Coley.

Howard made a **** of a play. I could be mistaken but it looks like the offense ran a "smash" concept against Cover-2. He left the flat route and jumped underneath the corner route for the pick. He did the same thing against us when we played Miramar in 2010. The **** kid is so smart and savvy. He knows that in "smash" the offense wants to throw that corner route, not the 5 yard flat route, so he leaves it and jumped under the corner route. 7 out of 10 times he's gonna get a pick on that play. Worst case scenario is he gives up a short completion to the WR in the flat.

Man I can't wait to watch some of these DB's play. C'monnnnn September!
 
WildcatDefense said:
I only watched it once but it looked like Gunter fell victim to a wheel route from the slot WR against Cover-3. He condensed on the post route, which is exactly what he's supposed to do in Cover-3, but he didn't see the wheel route running behind him. Pretty tough play for a CB to make. You have to condense, see the wheel route, then get back outside. It wasn't like he got straight up toasted. That's a good play design by Coley.

Howard made a **** of a play. I could be mistaken but it looks like the offense ran a "smash" concept against Cover-2. He left the flat route and jumped underneath the corner route for the pick. He did the same thing against us when we played Miramar in 2010. The **** kid is so smart and savvy. He knows that in "smash" the offense wants to throw that corner route, not the 5 yard flat route, so he leaves it and jumped under the corner route. 7 out of 10 times he's gonna get a pick on that play. Worst case scenario is he gives up a short completion to the WR in the flat.

Man I can't wait to watch some of these DB's play. C'monnnnn September!
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Who was in front of Howard on that smash concept? What worries me is when that WR is a speed guy who garners Tracy's respect, pushes that smash curl/dig hard to about 7 before staying short. A quick reaction/recovery guy will defer his man responsibility to the last second and be able to make the play Tracy made on the [poorly thrown] corner route. On the other hand, if you question your own speed/reaction, you're pickin' that WR up at 6-7 when you think he's going vertical. In short, my hope is that Tracy has hit the weight room very hard not only for his upper body, but for his lower body explosiveness. Otherwise, that may not be a play that carries over to a gametime scenario.
 
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Am I the only one who thought Dallas Crawford looked pretty good and explosive? And our CBs can't be getting burnt like that lol
 
Dorsett really seems to get the best seperation from his DB that we've had in a long time. He reminds me of Santana in that regard. If he fine tunes his route running and gets even just a little better, look out.


86 is Herb Waters right? That was a nice play to him in the highlight.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
I only watched it once but it looked like Gunter fell victim to a wheel route from the slot WR against Cover-3. He condensed on the post route, which is exactly what he's supposed to do in Cover-3, but he didn't see the wheel route running behind him. Pretty tough play for a CB to make. You have to condense, see the wheel route, then get back outside. It wasn't like he got straight up toasted. That's a good play design by Coley.

Howard made a **** of a play. I could be mistaken but it looks like the offense ran a "smash" concept against Cover-2. He left the flat route and jumped underneath the corner route for the pick. He did the same thing against us when we played Miramar in 2010. The **** kid is so smart and savvy. He knows that in "smash" the offense wants to throw that corner route, not the 5 yard flat route, so he leaves it and jumped under the corner route. 7 out of 10 times he's gonna get a pick on that play. Worst case scenario is he gives up a short completion to the WR in the flat.

Man I can't wait to watch some of these DB's play. C'monnnnn September!
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IMO, Gunter got toasted.

No corner, in cover 3, can allow an outside release to a receiver. That's his play to make, and if he had the proper depth, the throw would not have been there. He gambled on jumping the TE post, which was bracketed by the LB and safety. He would have been the 3rd player covering the TE. That's a bad play by Gunter ... A gamble that didn't work.

You are absolutely correct about Howard's pick. A gamble that has great reward, and low risk ... Unlike Gunter's.
 
MIATL513 said:
WildcatDefense said:
I only watched it once but it looked like Gunter fell victim to a wheel route from the slot WR against Cover-3. He condensed on the post route, which is exactly what he's supposed to do in Cover-3, but he didn't see the wheel route running behind him. Pretty tough play for a CB to make. You have to condense, see the wheel route, then get back outside. It wasn't like he got straight up toasted. That's a good play design by Coley.

Howard made a **** of a play. I could be mistaken but it looks like the offense ran a "smash" concept against Cover-2. He left the flat route and jumped underneath the corner route for the pick. He did the same thing against us when we played Miramar in 2010. The **** kid is so smart and savvy. He knows that in "smash" the offense wants to throw that corner route, not the 5 yard flat route, so he leaves it and jumped under the corner route. 7 out of 10 times he's gonna get a pick on that play. Worst case scenario is he gives up a short completion to the WR in the flat.

Man I can't wait to watch some of these DB's play. C'monnnnn September!
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IMO, Gunter got toasted.

No corner, in cover 3, can allow an outside release to a receiver. That's his play to make, and if he had the proper depth, the throw would not have been there. He gambled on jumping the TE post, which was bracketed by the LB and safety. He would have been the 3rd player covering the TE. That's a bad play by Gunter ... A gamble that didn't work.

You are absolutely correct about Howard's pick. A gamble that has great reward, and low risk ... Unlike Gunter's.
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The base alignment for a CB in Cover-3 is 7x1 with the #1 receiver. (seven yards back, one yard inside) He's allowing outside release and using the sideline as his extra defender.

You're thinking of Cover-2. In Cover-2 a CB can't allow outside release because it's makes it more difficult for his Safety to get over the top of a vertical route. In Cover-3 a CB allows outside release. It would be impossible for him not to because his base alignment is one yard inside. If he get two vertical routes to his side he's supposed to play in between both of them thus giving himself the ability to make a play on the #1 or #2 receiver. He has to condense on the vertical seam route because that is the easier throw for the QB. That's what Gunter was attempting to do, which is why you see him running towards the TE in the video. He condensed too much and had no idea Dorsett was screaming through his 3rd.
 
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