Can Miami compete in today's football environment?

[rock solid cane 65]

Great post with an descent hire for at the AD position that should help out.

you're looking at this wrong. The amount of money a school brings is irrelevant to cheating. In the vast majority of incidences of money being passed around it is coming from boosters.

Miami has some very wealthy boosters and they can definitely compete in that type of money game if they really wanted too. Where they may be a little short is the amount of big money boosters...so they just have to pick their spots better

 

[DMoney]

you're looking at this wrong. The amount of money a school brings is irrelevant to cheating. In the vast majority of incidences of money being passed around it is coming from boosters.

Miami has some very wealthy boosters and they can definitely compete in that type of money game if they really wanted too. Where they may be a little short is the amount of big money boosters...so they just have to pick their spots better

So here's what you're saying:

A: Cheating isn't about how much money the schools bring in, it's about the boosters.

B: Miami has way less boosters than the big money schools.

C: But that shouldn't matter.

Thanks for the analysis. Even our famous "booster" Nevin Shapiro said Miami can't buy players because they can't compete with the SEC.

 

[PensacolaCane]

Do the other top teams have a frikkin' Defensive Coordinator? That doesn't try to install one of the most difficult defenses, even for the pros, to implement?

Do their Offensive Coordinators change up to passing just when you start to have some rhythm and success running the ball? Or having a rb throw a pass on third (or fourth) and short? WTF?

If we didn't change a damned thing from last year - except our increase in strength and stamina from last year - we'd win eight or nine games this year.

I don't get it.

How about some F***ING BASICS???

If we didn't change a thing from last year?

Makes no sense to even follow that line of thinking. With graduations and early NFL departures, this years team is radically different from last years.

 

[wacane]

I remembering reading an article that fsu and florida signed a combined 3 kids from dade and broward last year. we're fine. everyone relax

 

[4Canes]

Everyone's overreacting. Miami could very easily be 1-6, came back vs a very bad BC, beat GT in OT and then ran into a NC st. that forgot how to play defense. Point is winning those games gave us a sense that they are better than they really are.
My biggest concern with yesterday is that Miami appeared to be seriously out coached. Guys had the look of confusion on several plays.
I also found it interesting Golden immediately jumped to the "no one is more disappointed that the coaches right now" on his post game radio interview. My sense is he could feel the frustration/disappointment from the fans.

 

[UMcanesfan420]

Do the other top teams have a frikkin' Defensive Coordinator? That doesn't try to install one of the most difficult defenses, even for the pros, to implement?Do their Offensive Coordinators change up to passing just when you start to have some rhythm and success running the ball? Or having a rb throw a pass on third (or fourth) and short? WTF?

If we didn't change a damned thing from last year - except our increase in strength and stamina from last year - we'd win eight or nine games this year.

I don't get it.

How about some F***ING BASICS???

Nick Saban has one of the most difficult defenses. Even at Bama, who wasn't nearly as bad off as we are now, he struggled his first year. And make no mistake, Bama has the Boo$ter$ to make **** happen quick. But even if you gave us Bama type boo$ter$ and Saban with our current situation, Saban would be pulling his hair out for another year or two making kids cry and lambasting the media constantly. His interviews with the Miami radio guys would be classic though.

 

[NVA CANE]

Saban was able to rebuild quickly cause of his over signing. All his grey shirts allowed him to rebuild at a much faster pace than we could ever hope to.

 

[3FW]

Right now it's broken. Golden is fixing it, but just as he hits the 2nd inning, the NCAA is going to hammer us. You have zero chance to get back under those conditions, zero.

 

[tokengator]

you're looking at this wrong. The amount of money a school brings is irrelevant to cheating. In the vast majority of incidences of money being passed around it is coming from boosters.

Miami has some very wealthy boosters and they can definitely compete in that type of money game if they really wanted too. Where they may be a little short is the amount of big money boosters...so they just have to pick their spots better

So here's what you're saying:

A: Cheating isn't about how much money the schools bring in, it's about the boosters.

B: Miami has way less boosters than the big money schools.

C: But that shouldn't matter.

Thanks for the analysis. Even our famous "booster" Nevin Shapiro said Miami can't buy players because they can't compete with the SEC.

you're very intelligent so i can only assume you are intentionally being dishonest with this post and ignoring context. Posters associated cheating with the amount of money a school brings in which is irrelevant. Schools don't empty their coffers for direct payments/gifts for players, boosters do.

As for shapiro...what does what he say suddenly matter? No miami's boosters would probably never drop 100K+ for one player, regardless how rich their boosters are...very few schools do that though so not competing on that level of cheating is not in the cards for miami and for many schools..including many in the SEC. And since it is only a handful of schools play in that level of the money/cheating game it means the game is not passing schools like miami by...if the majority of schools were doing this then you can have an argument

but miami has some very well to do boosters and these boosters can definitely offer enough to keep miami from being "passed by"...but because miami doesn't 20,30,40 big money boosters they just have to be more clever and pick the right spots to do it..and for the most part they do a good job of that...at least in the early part of this decade when my friend played for you guys. Shapiro was a careless tool...which is why he in jail.

 

[DMoney]

token,
Here's where your logic breaks down.

We both agree that boosters (not funding) drive cheating in college football. We also agree that Miami doesn't have the boosters that its big money competitors have. But in the next breath, you say that the disparity in boosters doesn't matter. If boosters are what's important, and Miami has far less (and more importantly, less sophisticated and organized) boosters, it follows that Miami is at a disadvantage against its competitors.

We can talk about anecdotal evidence for hours if you'd like. I've spoken with multiple assistant coaches who worked at Miami and in the SEC, and they say the SEC schools are scientific with their cheating. We cannot even try to compete. Their booster networks are enormous, sophisticated and discrete. They don't buy lap dances. They get the player's uncle a job and move his entire family by campus. These are private jet, WASPy name boosters. On the other hand, we have new-money jock sniffers like Nevin Shapiro who take pictures of themselves popping bottles.

And with all that said, I don't agree with the premise of the OP. Today's college football environment isn't much different than it's always been. There are schools that succeed because of their enormous financial advantages (which go way beyond cheating). There are schools that succeed because of innovative coaches. And there are schools that succeed because they sit on a mother lode of talent. More than anything, we fall into the third category and that won't change until kids stop playing Pop Warner football down here.

 

[Miami82]

Right now it's broken. Golden is fixing it, but just as he hits the 2nd inning, the NCAA is going to hammer us. You have zero chance to get back under those conditions, zero.

What is the difference between us and USC?

 

[tokengator]

token,
Here's where your logic breaks down.

We both agree that boosters (not funding) drive cheating in college football. We also agree that Miami doesn't have the boosters that its big money competitors have. But in the next breath, you say that the disparity in boosters doesn't matter. If boosters are what's important, and Miami has far less (and more importantly, less sophisticated and organized) boosters, it follows that Miami is at a disadvantage against its competitors.

We can talk about anecdotal evidence for hours if you'd like. I've spoken with multiple assistant coaches who worked at Miami and in the SEC, and they say the SEC schools are scientific with their cheating. We cannot even try to compete. Their booster networks are enormous, sophisticated and discrete. They don't buy lap dances. They get the player's uncle a job and move his entire family by campus. These are private jet, WASPy name boosters. On the other hand, we have new-money jock sniffers like Nevin Shapiro who take pictures of themselves popping bottles.

And with all that said, I don't agree with the premise of the OP. Today's college football environment isn't much different than it's always been. There are schools that succeed because of their enormous financial advantages (which go way beyond cheating). There are schools that succeed because of innovative coaches. And there are schools that succeed because they sit on a mother lode of talent. More than anything, we fall into the third category and that won't change until kids stop playing Pop Warner football down here.

for the most part I agree with everything you wrote...but i think you are still misrepresenting my position slightly, or maybe I am not presenting it well enough

1) we agree with the initial point - when it comes to cheating it is boosters matter, not schools athletic budget

2) my next point was not that the above does not matter for miami...just that for the vast majority of the NCAA the playing field is relatively even. Even the SEC stuff you mentioned is really only a handful of SEC schools. VERY few schools can compete with what they do, with the networks they have established, and the systems they have in place that have been refined for decades and decades. When it comes to cheating NO ONE is competing with the two alabama schools. NO ONE. So why use that as your measuring stick? Miami has the resources and means to compete with the stuff that the vast majority of schools engage in. Most kids are perfectly happy with getting a little something for sacrificing the bodies for a school to make millions and its mostly because that is what the market is for them...those SEC schools can only take so many kids a year..so the rest have to go somewhere and that is all miami needs to worry about competing with

 

[Cuse2Miami26]

Right now it's broken. Golden is fixing it, but just as he hits the 2nd inning, the NCAA is going to hammer us. You have zero chance to get back under those conditions, zero.

What is the difference between us and USC?

USC wants to win, our school pretends like they want to win

if we follow their lead academically and athletics wise we are straight. But instead our president wants to be vanderbuilt

 

[HulkaCaniac]

Lol at the drama. Everyone calm down. We are in a hot bed and still pulling in top notch players.

Go tell Stanford, TCU, Boise St. that a small private school can't compete. Every facet of this program was destroyed over the span of 8+ years. If you actually believed this was a 2 year rebuilding project you were highly mistaken. It will take time just show up to the games and everything else will fall into place.

So do Boise, tcu and Stanford play in near empty home crowds?

 

[deleted3746]

Miami is in the fckin Coastal Division of the ACC, of course they can compete.

 

[Canesfan]

Get lost troll