Can anyone explain why we lined up our DEs on WRs this year?

[GaryL0817]

Please don't defend this. Stop with the excuses.

There is NEVER a reason for SHAYON GREEN to be split out trying to jam a WR/TE and/or playing man. That's when you call a timeout or, better yet, have the defense adjust to the formation. I know, asking this coaching staff to make adjustments is laughable.

This is called forcing a scheme onto your personnel. In other words our coaches suck and can't adapt their scheme to maximize player strengths.

 

[GrozDozer]

I'm telling you guys what's happening in the Pics you put up. It's a 3-4 defense with Shayon at OLB and his assignment was the TE who lined up out wide.

 

[pook187]

I'm telling you guys what's happening in the Pics you put up. It's a 3-4 defense with Shayon at OLB and his assignment was the TE who lined up out wide.

So you're ok with that? That's an acceptable situation for your coordinator to put your defense in for the entire f*cking season?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Here you guys go for reference sake.

LOL. "It's talent, not coaching!", say the folks with orange and green blinders.

That's inexcusable. We definitely need 5-star DE's to run that scheme. You can't ask a 2-star 270 pound DE to become a CB.

Yup if u cant recruit like bama up front theres no reason we should be running this.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

According to UM's official site, Shayon is 264 lbs and plays on the defensive line. How the **** is he to successfully cover a TE/WR in man coverage?

http://m.hurricanesports.com/mobile...8218&DB_MENU_ID=&SPSID=&SPID=&DB_OEM_ID=28700

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

To those who say they were only dropping back into zone, you're absolutely wrong. Someone on here or over on the WEZ had screen shots and gifs of it. They were, without a doubt, covering the WRs. So, to answer the OP. No. No one will explain why because it's inexplicable.

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

 

[GrozDozer]

I'm telling you guys what's happening in the Pics you put up. It's a 3-4 defense with Shayon at OLB and his assignment was the TE who lined up out wide.

So you're ok with that? That's an acceptable situation for your coordinator to put your defense in for the entire f*cking season?

I'd much rather it be Tyriq McCord but if you think an OLB covering a TE is some foreign concept do the world a favor and stop watching football. A corner lined up on a 6'5" 250lb TE is just as much of a mismatch as Shayon Green. I agree if you're going to run it run it with the right personnel but you're acting as if OLB all over the nation in 3-4 schemes aren't responsible for the ******* TE.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

To those who say they were only dropping back into zone, you're absolutely wrong. Someone on here or over on the WEZ had screen shots and gifs of it. They were, without a doubt, covering the WRs. So, to answer the OP. No. No one will explain why because it's inexplicable.

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

To those who say they were only dropping back into zone, you're absolutely wrong. Someone on here or over on the WEZ had screen shots and gifs of it. They were, without a doubt, covering the WRs. So, to answer the OP. No. No one will explain why because it's inexplicable.

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

 

[Coach Macho]

It looks like we're in man at the bottom of the screen and zone at the top of the screen.

The CB up top is taking a "zone turn" at the snap and the OLB is blitzing. He can't play man on the slot from that alignment.

I don't recall us playing man with our OLB's on slots but I know that our OLB's have to cover slots in zone all the time. If you're the OLB and you're responsible for flats then you're gonna have to cover a WR on an "arrow" route or an out route. This is nothing new.

My only problem is our insistence on staying in 2-high. Our pre-snap alignment would be much more sound if we'd roll down a Safety over the slot and play Cover-3. This would allow us to bring our OLB into the box and give us 7 instead of 6.

And with that alignment we have at the bottom of the screen...both defenders at the same level...I don't even wanna see what would happen if those WR's ran a slant and a wheel. Bubble is also wide open up top. The C-gap at the bottom of the screen is kinda soft too IMO.

 

[GrozDozer]

To those who say they were only dropping back into zone, you're absolutely wrong. Someone on here or over on the WEZ had screen shots and gifs of it. They were, without a doubt, covering the WRs. So, to answer the OP. No. No one will explain why because it's inexplicable.

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Ok he's not listed as an OLB but are you looking at the picture? There is a DT 2 down DEs and 4 linebackers with Green playing OLB. Why is the concept of an OLB covering a TE so ******* hard for people to understand? It's not a foreign concept. Turn on the New England game RIGHT NOW and watch as their OLBs cover the Colts TE. At this moment I am watching Jamie Collins, an OLB, get a pick on a pass intended for a TE.

 

[Coach Macho]

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Ok he's not listed as an OLB but are you looking at the picture? There is a DT 2 down DEs and 4 linebackers with Green playing OLB. Why is the concept of an OLB covering a TE so ******* hard for people to understand? It's not a foreign concept. Turn on the New England game RIGHT NOW and watch as their OLBs cover the Colts TE. At this moment I am watching Jamie Collins, an OLB, get a pick on a pass intended for a TE.

Just cause New England does it with an NFL player doesn't mean Miami should do it with Shayon Green.

 

[GrozDozer]

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Ok he's not listed as an OLB but are you looking at the picture? There is a DT 2 down DEs and 4 linebackers with Green playing OLB. Why is the concept of an OLB covering a TE so ******* hard for people to understand? It's not a foreign concept. Turn on the New England game RIGHT NOW and watch as their OLBs cover the Colts TE. At this moment I am watching Jamie Collins, an OLB, get a pick on a pass intended for a TE.

Just cause New England does it with an NFL player doesn't mean Miami should do it with Shayon Green.

I said before I don't think Shayon should be out there doing it. McCord is a better athlete and might be better covering the TE as an OLB. I think Jermaine Grace is gonna play ILB correct? But his strength is his coverage. I'm just pointing out people are *****ing about something as common as an OLB being responsible for the TE as if it's some crazy concept that just DNo thought up.

 

[eliteproxy]

Has anyone asked the coaches? Is there a scheme at any level of football that this happens?

my guess is they weren't doing anything at the DE position anyways so why not

 

[terdferguson]

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Ok he's not listed as an OLB but are you looking at the picture? There is a DT 2 down DEs and 4 linebackers with Green playing OLB. Why is the concept of an OLB covering a TE so ****ing hard for people to understand? It's not a foreign concept. Turn on the New England game RIGHT NOW and watch as their OLBs cover the Colts TE. At this moment I am watching Jamie Collins, an OLB, get a pick on a pass intended for a TE.

Just cause New England does it with an NFL player doesn't mean Miami should do it with Shayon Green.

I said before I don't think Shayon should be out there doing it. McCord is a better athlete and might be better covering the TE as an OLB. I think Jermaine Grace is gonna play ILB correct? But his strength is his coverage. I'm just pointing out people are ****ing about something as common as an OLB being responsible for the TE as if it's some crazy concept that just DNo thought up.

Stop with this insistence that it's just the OLB on the TE. It's not. We had green and aqm and mccord cover slot wrs. Watch the games.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

To those who say they were only dropping back into zone, you're absolutely wrong. Someone on here or over on the WEZ had screen shots and gifs of it. They were, without a doubt, covering the WRs. So, to answer the OP. No. No one will explain why because it's inexplicable.

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Flailing around LOL if you say so.

You just don't understand simple defensive concepts. In a 3-4 you have a NT-Porter, 2 DE's- Chick and Pierre, 2 OLB's - Green and Armbrister and 2 ILB- Gaines and Perryman.
Green was an OLB. OLB's in a 3-4 cover TE's and slot wr's. This is not exclusively a D'onofrio concept.
So Green covering a TE is not a schematic issue like you and other bozos think it is.
Now you're shifting the argument to it being a personnel issue. Fine. I'm OK with that.. Green is not your prototypical OLB in a 3-4 defense mainly because he doesn't have great lateral movement. But he's what we had. He was however effective as a run stopper and its why he played mainly on 1st and 2nd down. Funny the UVA pics that NVA provided shows them scheme against him by moving the TE out so Green moves out with him taking him out of the run play.

 

[cowboycane]

Saw McCord do it about 5 times against Louisville. What bugs me the most about it is that it clearly is a schematic thing, and it means we are using a scheme in which we deem it smart to take out only legit pass rusher completely away from the LOS.

 

[Coach Macho]

So which DE was covering a WR?

You tell me.

I'm not the one claiming we had a DE covering a WR. So far no one has been able to provide any examples. The only example provided by NVA shows an OLB covering a TE. And when McCord was covering the slot he was also an OLB.

Is Green listed as a LB? No, he's not. So you believe if Doh'rito had Burns playing on the line, that would make him a DE or DT? Or would he just be a DB playing in the position of a DT/DE? He'd still be a DB regardless of where he's playing, who he's covering. You're not making any sense and are flailing around in defense of Doh'rito.

Flailing around LOL if you say so.

You just don't understand simple defensive concepts. In a 3-4 you have a NT-Porter, 2 DE's- Chick and Pierre, 2 OLB's - Green and Armbrister and 2 ILB- Gaines and Perryman.
Green was an OLB. OLB's in a 3-4 cover TE's and slot wr's. This is not exclusively a D'onofrio concept.
So Green covering a TE is not a schematic issue like you and other bozos think it is.
Now you're shifting the argument to it being a personnel issue. Fine. I'm OK with that.. Green is not your prototypical OLB in a 3-4 defense mainly because he doesn't have great lateral movement. But he's what we had. He was however effective as a run stopper and its why he played mainly on 1st and 2nd down. Funny the UVA pics that NVA provided shows them scheme against him by moving the TE out so Green moves out with him taking him out of the run play.

I don't necessarily disagree with you...

But ultimately it is a schematic issue. Schematically we're at a disadvantage by having Green flexed out there.

#1 - We've only got 6 in the box
#2 - Shayon's not good at pass coverage
#3 - Like you said, he's a good run defender. UVA out-coached us and removed Shayon from the box by flexing their TE out. Instead of adjusting we just stayed with it. It's an easy adjustment, just roll to cover-3 and put Shayon's big *** back inside the box.

An OLB covering a TE is not schematic blasphemy but in this particular case it's not a good look. You have to be adjustable in situations like this. You have to have a "check" call IMO. You have to consider who your personnel is and what you're asking them to do.

 

[Coach Macho]

Also, this is why I don't like this defense, especially in college. (and for Miami)

First off, we're gonna have to find OLB's that are big enough to play at the LOS and take on TE's and OT's...and athletic enough to cover #2 receivers in space. Those guys don't grow on trees. Guys that are 6'3"+ 250+, can pass rush and can play coverage.

Additionally, we're gonna take guys like Chad Thomas, who are terrors off the edge and ask them to play coverage half the time. I'm not really a fan of that.