Camp Report: Scrimmage #2

[FrancisSawyer]

It's already been established here for the past 3 years, but... Perryman is going murder several RBs. Gus is 230 and DP baptized him like it was nothing!

Yes with the difference this year hopefully being that a significant amount of those murders and baptisms occur at or behind the LOS.

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

Awesome post Ted. I do find it very childish if the admin was that upset with the penn st situation. The vast majority of coaches want to be somewhere else and will jump at the chance to be at one of there "dream schools". For golden it was penn st. I don't worry about him jumping to some pac10 or big12 team, but penn st is understandable imo. For me, Golden will always be remembered fondly because how he led the team through the cloud, he built a TON of goodwill for me for how he handled that.

Everything else was awesome tho, if the administration is really that committed to giving the program everything it needs to compete, we're gunna be back in no time.

 

[407cane]

Awesome post Ted. I do find it very childish if the admin was that upset with the penn st situation. The vast majority of coaches want to be somewhere else and will jump at the chance to be at one of there "dream schools". For golden it was penn st. I don't worry about him jumping to some pac10 or big12 team, but penn st is understandable imo. For me, Golden will always be remembered fondly because how he led the team through the cloud, he built a TON of goodwill for me for how he handled that.

Everything else was awesome tho, if the administration is really that committed to giving the program everything it needs to compete, we're gunna be back in no time.

agreed. The amount thats been done in the last year or two in terms of facilities has been outstanding. With better facilities, better recruits, and soon to be better results(imo) I think UM will soon be considered an elite program again very quickly

 

[k9cane]

Working in the President's office doesn't count as source connection? Alright.

No, it doesn't. Getting them bagels and coffee doesn't equal you having inside info.

It's usually donuts and tea while I ask a few questions and get answers. But I'm sure you know what goes on.

So what have you heard....specifically?

First of all, I don't want to get myself in trouble. But there's a good chunk to share.

1. The administration does care about winning in a similar vain that Tad Foote did. Make money, don't get in trouble, and attract positive attention to the school. However, President Shalala was under the impression that you could hire anybody and expect the machine to keep humming along. You need to understand, she came from a Wisconsin that had been just terrible until she was around when Barry Alvarez was hired. The administration was then able to sit back and watch him go 1-10, 5-6, 5-6, and then 10-1-1 with a Rose Bowl victory and a #5 ranking. She believed that it was relatively easy for a coach to come in and succeed.

2. She did not hire Larry Coker. I've been on record that I think Butch Davis walks on water, but he did leave Miami in a pretty tight bind when he left in January 2001. The team wanted Coker. The fans wanted Coker for the continuity. The AD and board of trustees hired him without really consulting Shalala, who was waiting to assume office on June 1st.

3. 2001 Miami was not even close to the academic powerhouse it is today. So as the new President she came into a situation where the football team had just finished the season where they should have been national champions. The baseball team was one year removed from national champions. The basketball team was year removed from a Sweet Sixteen birth. As far as she was concerned, sports was humming along nicely. Therefore she was able to devote her full time to what she does best: Raising money and attention for academics. Meanwhile, she oversaw the construction of the BUC, a phenomenal building that is nationally respected and popular. Her first year, baseball and football won national championships.

4. It took until 2006 for the school to realize there was a problem. 2005 Miami went 9-3 before crashing to 7-6. What did she do? She had Paul Dee fire him when he should have been fired and when the fans wanted him fired. A bargain hire was made with Randy Shannon in part because nobody was knocking down the door to come to a school where the talent on the team was very thin and a 59-15/national champion coach had just been booted out the door. That being said, a lot of fans were thrilled when Shannon got the job with his Miami pedigree. When he faltered in 2010, he was fired at the request of the fans at exactly when he should have gone.

5. The Orange Bowl and the Cloud slightly fall on her shoulders. She thought she had the guys in charge that could keep scum like Shapiro at bay and the players under control. That proved not to be the case. The Orange Bowl was a staring contest between us and the city rulers and that were not under any circumstances going to blink. We don't have the money or land to build a stadium solo and the administration has made any and all reasonable efforts to build one. If there's one thing that gets under the admin's skin, it's the perception that they're happy with the stadium situation, not trying to improve it, and just oblivious to need to improve.

6. The facility upgrades were viewed as an afterthought. Why spend money on it when you're pulling top classes/players and winning? The upgrades may be on the late side, but anybody who's seen them would agree that they are some of the best in the country.

7. The Al Golden situation is unique. The school assembled a literal platoon of experts to search for a new coach and was willing to shell out a little more money than before. The squad of scouts, led by Bernie Kosar, zeroed in on Al Golden, who at the time was the hottest name in coaching. His being from a stronghold of Miami support didn't hurt him either. He dazzled in the interviews like he always does and had everything going for him. Despite being cut from a different cloth of football, he was young, an elite recruiter, well liked, master orator, energetic, and a disciple of a football coaching God. The hire made sense and once again, most fans were thrilled with it.

8. Now to your question. He handled the Cloud beautifully and was a major reason public support fell to our side. His players graduated and stayed out of trouble, by and large. His wins the first three years were pretty much irrelevant as far as the admin was concerned as he was handling what they thought was a bigger issue while still pulling very nice recruiting classes and repackaging our brand beautifully. The improvement of 6 to 7 to 9 how everybody believing he was right on course for returning to greatness the way the admin wanted it accomplished. I can't describe how much positive capital he had built up. He could have gone 0-12 for five years, joined al-Qaeda, and murdered entire families and the admin would have ignored it. Then Penn State happened. I don't care what Mr. James says. Even if he claims to know what was going on, President Shalala didn't and it was evident by her quote of, "We don't know anything yet." to the media the same day Blake James claimed to be in constant contact with Golden. So now the school can't even get their story straight while the football coach is MIA and holding us hostage. As far as Miami admin is concerned, Golden cashed all of his chips in for the Penn State job, didn't get it, and made Miami look foolish in the process.

If there's one thing about Donna Shalala, she is very proud woman and rightfully so. She has been, academically, the best president in school history and in my opinion the best president since 2001. Al Golden made her look inept and incompetent and that ruined all his Cloud capital. When he came back in December, it was believed he may be fired that day people were so furious with him. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed and that didn't happen. However, he was apparently asked to make a coaching change with D'Onofrio and refused. That cancelled out the Larry Coker Fire the Staff tactic for the future. The athletic department and school as a whole saw a lot of fan support shift on Golden and a lot of influential football boosters and alumni suddenly become very suspicious of him. It was literally night and day on the perception on him. It's more for his Penn State issues, not his coaching issues, as to why he's without question on the hot seat.

This is how it was broken down for me:

9 wins and up=He stays. No questions asked.

8 wins=Probably stays, but a staff change will likely be made without his consultation.

7 wins=Depends on the margins of defeat and who we lose to, but more than likely gone. The recruiting class will be taken into account. If we get blown out by Louisville, Nebraska, FSU, etc., he'll be in for some stress. Also, fan support/attendance is an enormous indicator for the admin on the direction of coaching changes. The fans attitude and performance at the USF game during Randy's last year is what got the ax to mercifully swing. If we're 6-5 heading into the Pittsburgh game, how many fans and boosters will still be forcefully supporting the team? That would get him fired.

6 wins or less=He's gone.

In continued positive news, the school has a lot of awesome plans going forward for the program. The Indoor Practice Facility is a major point and Golden is pushing it very hard. For all the complaining done here, just know that the whomever the coach is going forward, the admin will make sure the team is outstanding in every facet from the performance to game day experience.

I'm personally very doubtful of Al, but the school recognizes there is some real energy and enthusiasm with the team for the first time in a while. 2010 had a similar feel and crashed horribly. The current mood of the admin is that of more growing anticipation/excitement. Everybody wants the team to succeed and this is where they will find out if Al is the guy to do it.

Ted, much of what you say is very plausible and things Ive been told, I had a question in regards to Dee, one thing I -- along with many others- believed is that he was the perfect lawyer-type as an AD to deal with the Pell Grant/ERRickson mess of the mid-90s but really at the turn of the century as UM got it's mojo back he was really the wrong fit. At that point, Miami needed a Sam Jankovich-type once again. A guy that could sell the program, understood the dynamic more of the business and PR side of the college football industry and where it was going( as it related to facilities, etc).

Do you happen to agree with that?

Dee, just did a lot of questionable things during the back half of his tenure that really hurt the football program

As for Golden, Im still a believer in this guy. But yeah, the way he left UM in the lurch after the bowl game was both puzzling and disappointing but I still think he's moving things in the right direction. 2014 is pivotal on many levels...

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Awesome post Ted. I do find it very childish if the admin was that upset with the penn st situation. The vast majority of coaches want to be somewhere else and will jump at the chance to be at one of there "dream schools". For golden it was penn st. I don't worry about him jumping to some pac10 or big12 team, but penn st is understandable imo. For me, Golden will always be remembered fondly because how he led the team through the cloud, he built a TON of goodwill for me for how he handled that.

Everything else was awesome tho, if the administration is really that committed to giving the program everything it needs to compete, we're gunna be back in no time.

Thank you.

In defense of the administration, they've always been largely committed to the football program being dominant. But they were woefully ignorant because as far as they were concerned the program had everything it needed. It finally came full circle where a more active involvement and assistance was needed and provided.

It wasn't so much that Golden talked to Penn State. That wasn't the big issue. It was more, as far as I've been told, that he was contacted bordering on almost a thousand times by Miami and never responded to anyone. TALKING to his alma mater was one thing. Actively going after the job without so much as backwards glance with Signing Day right around the corner was what burned some bridges. He stuck with us for the Cloud but didn't want to stick with us because Penn State was available? And he's getting paid 2.5 million dollars while on a pedestal? There was some fury like you wouldn't believe. You need to admit that the school looked pretty inept during the situation where a sports coach had the school by the short ones for a week.

 

[Calinative]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back. I actually like Golden, but i thought if it mean no more onofrio i was fine with it.
The thing is if we fire Golden this year because we did poorly i think it really sets us back at least a yr, and theres no telling what would happen to the amazing start if the 2016 class.
But ill say if Golden cant win more than 7 games this year he should be fired without a doubt. 10 wins isnt eeally all that hard, were more talented than all the teams we play but FSU. If our D wasnt such a big question mark id guarantee 10-11 wins this year, even with our qb situation. And its not even in question due to talent, its due to coaching.
Firing Onofrio would be fine for recruiting and definitely wouldnt put us back. Anything worse than a top 40 D, and Onofrio needs to be gone. Im just wondering whats going to happen when we win 10 games this yr but the defense still kinda sucks. Will Onofrio still be fired even though we win 10?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

No, it doesn't. Getting them bagels and coffee doesn't equal you having inside info.

It's usually donuts and tea while I ask a few questions and get answers. But I'm sure you know what goes on.

So what have you heard....specifically?

First of all, I don't want to get myself in trouble. But there's a good chunk to share.

1. The administration does care about winning in a similar vain that Tad Foote did. Make money, don't get in trouble, and attract positive attention to the school. However, President Shalala was under the impression that you could hire anybody and expect the machine to keep humming along. You need to understand, she came from a Wisconsin that had been just terrible until she was around when Barry Alvarez was hired. The administration was then able to sit back and watch him go 1-10, 5-6, 5-6, and then 10-1-1 with a Rose Bowl victory and a #5 ranking. She believed that it was relatively easy for a coach to come in and succeed.

2. She did not hire Larry Coker. I've been on record that I think Butch Davis walks on water, but he did leave Miami in a pretty tight bind when he left in January 2001. The team wanted Coker. The fans wanted Coker for the continuity. The AD and board of trustees hired him without really consulting Shalala, who was waiting to assume office on June 1st.

3. 2001 Miami was not even close to the academic powerhouse it is today. So as the new President she came into a situation where the football team had just finished the season where they should have been national champions. The baseball team was one year removed from national champions. The basketball team was year removed from a Sweet Sixteen birth. As far as she was concerned, sports was humming along nicely. Therefore she was able to devote her full time to what she does best: Raising money and attention for academics. Meanwhile, she oversaw the construction of the BUC, a phenomenal building that is nationally respected and popular. Her first year, baseball and football won national championships.

4. It took until 2006 for the school to realize there was a problem. 2005 Miami went 9-3 before crashing to 7-6. What did she do? She had Paul Dee fire him when he should have been fired and when the fans wanted him fired. A bargain hire was made with Randy Shannon in part because nobody was knocking down the door to come to a school where the talent on the team was very thin and a 59-15/national champion coach had just been booted out the door. That being said, a lot of fans were thrilled when Shannon got the job with his Miami pedigree. When he faltered in 2010, he was fired at the request of the fans at exactly when he should have gone.

5. The Orange Bowl and the Cloud slightly fall on her shoulders. She thought she had the guys in charge that could keep scum like Shapiro at bay and the players under control. That proved not to be the case. The Orange Bowl was a staring contest between us and the city rulers and that were not under any circumstances going to blink. We don't have the money or land to build a stadium solo and the administration has made any and all reasonable efforts to build one. If there's one thing that gets under the admin's skin, it's the perception that they're happy with the stadium situation, not trying to improve it, and just oblivious to need to improve.

6. The facility upgrades were viewed as an afterthought. Why spend money on it when you're pulling top classes/players and winning? The upgrades may be on the late side, but anybody who's seen them would agree that they are some of the best in the country.

7. The Al Golden situation is unique. The school assembled a literal platoon of experts to search for a new coach and was willing to shell out a little more money than before. The squad of scouts, led by Bernie Kosar, zeroed in on Al Golden, who at the time was the hottest name in coaching. His being from a stronghold of Miami support didn't hurt him either. He dazzled in the interviews like he always does and had everything going for him. Despite being cut from a different cloth of football, he was young, an elite recruiter, well liked, master orator, energetic, and a disciple of a football coaching God. The hire made sense and once again, most fans were thrilled with it.

8. Now to your question. He handled the Cloud beautifully and was a major reason public support fell to our side. His players graduated and stayed out of trouble, by and large. His wins the first three years were pretty much irrelevant as far as the admin was concerned as he was handling what they thought was a bigger issue while still pulling very nice recruiting classes and repackaging our brand beautifully. The improvement of 6 to 7 to 9 how everybody believing he was right on course for returning to greatness the way the admin wanted it accomplished. I can't describe how much positive capital he had built up. He could have gone 0-12 for five years, joined al-Qaeda, and murdered entire families and the admin would have ignored it. Then Penn State happened. I don't care what Mr. James says. Even if he claims to know what was going on, President Shalala didn't and it was evident by her quote of, "We don't know anything yet." to the media the same day Blake James claimed to be in constant contact with Golden. So now the school can't even get their story straight while the football coach is MIA and holding us hostage. As far as Miami admin is concerned, Golden cashed all of his chips in for the Penn State job, didn't get it, and made Miami look foolish in the process.

If there's one thing about Donna Shalala, she is very proud woman and rightfully so. She has been, academically, the best president in school history and in my opinion the best president since 2001. Al Golden made her look inept and incompetent and that ruined all his Cloud capital. When he came back in December, it was believed he may be fired that day people were so furious with him. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed and that didn't happen. However, he was apparently asked to make a coaching change with D'Onofrio and refused. That cancelled out the Larry Coker Fire the Staff tactic for the future. The athletic department and school as a whole saw a lot of fan support shift on Golden and a lot of influential football boosters and alumni suddenly become very suspicious of him. It was literally night and day on the perception on him. It's more for his Penn State issues, not his coaching issues, as to why he's without question on the hot seat.

This is how it was broken down for me:

9 wins and up=He stays. No questions asked.

8 wins=Probably stays, but a staff change will likely be made without his consultation.

7 wins=Depends on the margins of defeat and who we lose to, but more than likely gone. The recruiting class will be taken into account. If we get blown out by Louisville, Nebraska, FSU, etc., he'll be in for some stress. Also, fan support/attendance is an enormous indicator for the admin on the direction of coaching changes. The fans attitude and performance at the USF game during Randy's last year is what got the ax to mercifully swing. If we're 6-5 heading into the Pittsburgh game, how many fans and boosters will still be forcefully supporting the team? That would get him fired.

6 wins or less=He's gone.

In continued positive news, the school has a lot of awesome plans going forward for the program. The Indoor Practice Facility is a major point and Golden is pushing it very hard. For all the complaining done here, just know that the whomever the coach is going forward, the admin will make sure the team is outstanding in every facet from the performance to game day experience.

I'm personally very doubtful of Al, but the school recognizes there is some real energy and enthusiasm with the team for the first time in a while. 2010 had a similar feel and crashed horribly. The current mood of the admin is that of more growing anticipation/excitement. Everybody wants the team to succeed and this is where they will find out if Al is the guy to do it.

Ted, much of what you say is very plausible and things Ive been told, I had a question in regards to Dee, one thing I -- along with many others- believed is that he was the perfect lawyer-type as an AD to deal with the Pell Grant/ERRickson mess of the mid-90s but really at the turn of the century as UM got it's mojo back he was really the wrong fit. At that point, Miami needed a Sam Jankovich-type once again. A guy that could sell the program, understood the dynamic more of the business and PR side of the college football industry and where it was going( as it related to facilities, etc).

Do you happen to agree with that?

Dee, just did a lot of questionable things during the back half of his tenure that really hurt the football program

As for Golden, Im still a believer in this guy. But yeah, the way he left UM in the lurch after the bowl game was both puzzling and disappointing but I still think he's moving things in the right direction. 2014 is pivotal on many levels...

This is what I was told about Paul Dee, and if possible, he is more hated than Shapiro by the admin. He got the job in 1993 and was allowed to pretty much kickback on Easy Street because the machine appeared to be doing just dandy. Why mess with it? His 2nd year we lost in the national championship. Everything seemed swell.

Then Dennis ditched us, we got hit with sanctions, and the whole house of cards came tumbling down. He hired Butch knowing that sanctions loomed because we had self-reported in 1991. Dee apparently thought he had friends at the NCAA that would take it easy on Miami and that turned out to be far from true. Butch, who knew nothing about this, was ****ed off and never forgave Dee. He also hired Butch because he was a Jimmy Johnson disciple who knew discipline, hard work ethic, and psychology. Other than Jimmy himself, who better to reel in a team that had gone completely off the rails? Dee hired him because of his control and Miami pedigree, a brilliant decision at the time.

As far as the federal government was concerned, Dee was perfect in the way that Shalala was the perfect bulldog for dealing with the NCAA when they wronged us. Our accreditation was rumored to be possibly in jeopardy and Dee did some lawyer song and dance to smooth things over so that something that severe wouldn't happen. It could have been much worse than just athletic programs being cancelled.

This is where it got good. Once Butch got the machine rolling, Dee thought he was some sort of genius. He was already getting heaps of praise for hiring Jim Morris and Leonard Hamilton, whom he had nothing to do with. He thought he was the rock star of AD's and decided his job was done. When Butch was thinking about going to Cleveland, keep in mind he was still angry about the Pell Grant issues, Dee thought Butch should have bee more grateful to him and was attempting to take partial credit for the team. That coupled with buyout snag in the new contract they were working out and Butch said **** off and left. Up until he actually left, Dee thought he was bluffing.

Now Dee had to scramble to get somebody and with having done no research or any AD effort since 1995, he was badly underprepared. So he hired Coker to appease everybody. Safe pick that any bum could've done. Same story when he hired Shannon. Safe pick that appeased all the fans for the moment and kept his name from being criticized. You want to talk about Country Club Mentality? This is the guy that invented it. He had hit grand slams with his first hires and thought he had the Midas touch. He became a lazy douche with no foresight or extra effort from the energetic pitbull he had been before. He didn't realize that college sports shifts and changes and keeping up with it is the integral part of being successful long term. He thought that the brand could build itself not realizing that other schools will try to usurp your position. His ignorance of the active role that the athletic department needs to take during runs of success to keep the success driving was a cancer that hit us near the end of his tenure.

As far as me agreeing with that, I was 6 years old when all this was happening so my experience during the time is limited. All my typing above was what people in the currently in the admin that were also in the admin since around 1993 told me.

Your last sentence is pretty much the admin's stance, except they're probably more severe in their criticism and even more enthusiastic about the future. 2014 is the most important year in a while. The admin loves, and I mean loves, the direction the team is going and they still think Golden is the guy as of now. But they need results this year.

 

[AllbouttheU]

Ain't nobody go time to read this thread anymore. Y'all mofos went wrote a book. Lol

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back. I actually like Golden, but i thought if it mean no more onofrio i was fine with it.
The thing is if we fire Golden this year because we did poorly i think it really sets us back at least a yr, and theres no telling what would happen to the amazing start if the 2016 class.
But ill say if Golden cant win more than 7 games this year he should be fired without a doubt. 10 wins isnt eeally all that hard, were more talented than all the teams we play but FSU. If our D wasnt such a big question mark id guarantee 10-11 wins this year, even with our qb situation. And its not even in question due to talent, its due to coaching.
Firing Onofrio would be fine for recruiting and definitely wouldnt put us back. Anything worse than a top 40 D, and Onofrio needs to be gone. Im just wondering whats going to happen when we win 10 games this yr but the defense still kinda sucks. Will Onofrio still be fired even though we win 10?

While Golden's importance for 2016's class is pivotal, I think that keeping Coley especially and the rest of the staff is the lynch pin that garnered their commits. Keep Baez, you probably keep Mullins. Keep Beard, probably keep Bruce. Keep Brown, keep Quarterman. Keep Kehoe/Coley, keep Allison and he alone might keep all the offensive players. I'll also say that I think a lot of the players are committing to the school itself first and foremost, not the coaches as the sole reason.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Ted is saying exactly what another person inside that office was during the Penn State situation. Golden ****ed off Donna something crazy.

Anyway, Gus runs like he's 5'6 130. Thank God Yearby is here.

 

[The Franchise]

Very good post.

It sucks that he blew his capital on the Pedo St. thing. I don't blame him for going for it as we have known all along that was his dream job but I think if he could just survive to 2015 we would really start winning due to these recruiting classes, even though 2014 might be tough due to QB issues, schedule etc.

In fact, 7 wins is right where many have us pegged, so that puts it right on the line.

I cannot overemphasize enough how much margin of defeat and opponent comes into play. If he goes 7-5, but loses by one score to all of them, the recruiting class is solid, and fans don't lose hope, he's not going anywhere.

Don't kid yourselves. 7 wins, and the fans are hanging him in effigy. We don't care if he plays inferior teams close and only loses by a score. It'll be Shannon's USF moment all over again.

 

[Consigliere]

A few things....

1. Please stop with the land stuff and the stadium. We had land, we could have gotten other land and the "reasonable efforts" should be replaced with minimal attempts. The idea that we want to improve Dolphin Stadium is a joke, we need to get out of there ASAP. This place can't be suitable for OUR NEEDS. Sure you can patch a hole but you're still wearing your dad's incredibly big suit.

2. The RS hiring was terrible and made no sense. Not because RS wasn't a good DC, simply because you don't hire the prior FAILED regime's coaches. That was on her as she is the CEO of the whole school and a bit of a micro-manager. Even if she is not hands on, she picks the people that are hands on (THE AD). In addition there were other options for bargain prices but we went with the stupid decision. I think the next smart think she can do is find an AD that will represent what the program needs since she is not capable of getting this done.

3. "It took until 2006 for the school to realize there was a problem." This is pathetic because those 2004 and 2005 teams underachieved greatly. The evidence was clear as day but not for the people who make decisions and impact the program. How about we bring in a competent AD that knows how to be GM of a sports program.

4. No one is disputing what she has done for academics. Just disputing her and the admins' priorities.

5. No mention of Jim Morris?

 

[Consigliere]

Very good post.

It sucks that he blew his capital on the Pedo St. thing. I don't blame him for going for it as we have known all along that was his dream job but I think if he could just survive to 2015 we would really start winning due to these recruiting classes, even though 2014 might be tough due to QB issues, schedule etc.

In fact, 7 wins is right where many have us pegged, so that puts it right on the line.

I cannot overemphasize enough how much margin of defeat and opponent comes into play. If he goes 7-5, but loses by one score to all of them, the recruiting class is solid, and fans don't lose hope, he's not going anywhere.

Don't kid yourselves. 7 wins, and the fans are hanging him in effigy. We don't care if he plays inferior teams close and only loses by a score. It'll be Shannon's USF moment all over again.

Agreed. It also proves that some people believe in moral victories. Hey we almost won and that is good enough.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back.

Do you actually think those coaches would have wanted to coach under an admin who they would have perceived unfairly firing Golden after all that he was put through with the Shapiro investigations and through it all improving win totals every year?
You people need to put a little bit more thought at what comes out of your mouths. really.

 

[Consigliere]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back.

Do you actually think those coaches would have wanted to coach under an admin who they would have perceived unfairly firing Golden after all that he was put through with the Shapiro investigations and through it all improving win totals every year?
You people need to put a little bit more thought at what comes out of your mouths. really.

You left out that he wouldn't have been unfairly fired since he was MIA (for a week) in the middle of the final month of recruiting.

 

[WhatTheHell]

I'm sure the two unemployed coaches would have turned down a Miami offer because they thought Golden was treated unfairly while he pranced around Happy Valley handing out resume's.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Awesome post Ted. I do find it very childish if the admin was that upset with the penn st situation. The vast majority of coaches want to be somewhere else and will jump at the chance to be at one of there "dream schools". For golden it was penn st. I don't worry about him jumping to some pac10 or big12 team, but penn st is understandable imo. For me, Golden will always be remembered fondly because how he led the team through the cloud, he built a TON of goodwill for me for how he handled that.

Everything else was awesome tho, if the administration is really that committed to giving the program everything it needs to compete, we're gunna be back in no time.

i dont think it has to do with his leaving or not, but about his not being truthful or up front with the administration. he made james and the president look bad and was awol. they are not in a position to be made fools of.

 

[k9cane]

Very good post.

It sucks that he blew his capital on the Pedo St. thing. I don't blame him for going for it as we have known all along that was his dream job but I think if he could just survive to 2015 we would really start winning due to these recruiting classes, even though 2014 might be tough due to QB issues, schedule etc.

In fact, 7 wins is right where many have us pegged, so that puts it right on the line.

I cannot overemphasize enough how much margin of defeat and opponent comes into play. If he goes 7-5, but loses by one score to all of them, the recruiting class is solid, and fans don't lose hope, he's not going anywhere.

Don't kid yourselves. 7 wins, and the fans are hanging him in effigy. We don't care if he plays inferior teams close and only loses by a score. It'll be Shannon's USF moment all over again.

completely agreed, Chise, Im one of his biggest advocates and if this squad wins just 7 games, I'll be out there with a pitchfork myself..

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back.

Do you actually think those coaches would have wanted to coach under an admin who they would have perceived unfairly firing Golden after all that he was put through with the Shapiro investigations and through it all improving win totals every year?
You people need to put a little bit more thought at what comes out of your mouths. really.

You left out that he wouldn't have been unfairly fired since he was MIA (for a week) in the middle of the final month of recruiting.

Cause that obviously ended up affecting recruiting.. NOT.
Had his whereabouts and transgressions been made public I believe recruiting would have been affected.

 

[Consigliere]

I said it once and ill keep saying it, last year was the perfect time to fire Golden and get Chudzinski or Schiano, or even butch back.

Do you actually think those coaches would have wanted to coach under an admin who they would have perceived unfairly firing Golden after all that he was put through with the Shapiro investigations and through it all improving win totals every year?
You people need to put a little bit more thought at what comes out of your mouths. really.

You left out that he wouldn't have been unfairly fired since he was MIA (for a week) in the middle of the final month of recruiting.

Cause that obviously ended up affecting recruiting.. NOT.
Had his whereabouts and transgressions been made public I believe recruiting would have been affected.

Wow. It was perfect that he was MIA, actually benefited the program. Boy what was I thinking. It wasn't just recruiting by the way, the school would have been justified in firing him for being MIA. I only pointed out the period by connecting it to recruiting.