Caden Prieskorn, TE, Memphis

[Brains]

Until you realize those basketball and football players names are on the same Maryland Degree paper yours is on.

A General Studies degree from Maryland is nearly totally worthless for employment purposes.

Fortunately, if on scholarship, the monetary loss is minimized (you won't get your time back; opportunity cost is always at play).

The best it's likely to get you is a conversation with a fellow alum.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Slow midget with stiff hips and hands of stone.

Low football IQ too.

 

[RightSaidFred]

It's not semantics, so stop trying to rehabilitate your previous uninformed/incorrect post.

It has to do with course offerings and college accreditation.

YOU CAN'T GIVE CREDIT TOWARDS A DEGREE WITH CLASSES YOUR SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN OFFER.

Why can't people understand this simple concept?

Because we don’t work for universities and don’t know what department does what. But it comes down to this. We need to find a way to get these kids enrolled and not burden them with additional classes they wouldn’t have to take elsewhere. We need our offer to be competitive.

 

[MedleyCane]

Until you realize those basketball and football players names are on the same Maryland Degree paper yours is on.

I don't have problem sharing same degree with student-athletes. There are many intelligent athletes, many of them more accomplished than me, including many of whom I graduated with at the UofMaryland. But after Len Bias death, school was put under microscope for other stuff which ultimately led to school cutting the General Studies degree program, one of the reasons head coach Bobby Ross left school.

 

[canecrazy23]

Wrong.

Sorry, but this is fundamentally and factually incorrect.

It’s really not. But I’m not trying to argue with you.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Because we don’t work for universities and don’t know what department does what. But it comes down to this. We need to find a way to get these kids enrolled and not burden them with additional classes they wouldn’t have to take elsewhere. We need our offer to be competitive.

As Original stated Brian Hightower could not transfer all his credits cleanly to his declared major at the University of Illinois. I know for a fact you change colleges within the Florida university system you are not guaranteed 100% will transfer directly to your declared major department to department or school to school. That is a fact.

So Miami needs to create one off majors for portal transfers so they don't have to change majors? Riiiiight.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Because we don’t work for universities and don’t know what department does what. But it comes down to this. We need to find a way to get these kids enrolled and not burden them with additional classes they wouldn’t have to take elsewhere. We need our offer to be competitive.

You don't have to "work for universities" to know what department does what.

I went to the University of Miami. I have plenty of friends who continue to work there. I know exactly what department does what at UM. And this issue goes beyond one university, it applies to all universities.

If you want to continue to ignore SPECIFIC posts, like the one that Dee made about Brian Hightower losing credits, that's up to you. But you can't hide behind generalized vague statements like "we need to find a way to get these kids enrolled" and think that you've participated in the conversation.

LOTS of college transfers lose LOTS of credit hours of work. This is a common problem. It's part of the choice you make when transferring universities.

Again, I'm trying very hard not to target your post, you are not the only person who is somehow not allowing yourself to see that this is a common NON-UM problem. But this is not fixable. It's manageable, when time is not a constraint. But it can become an issue when people think they can decide to transfer universities and that they will get some kind of a binding decision within a couple of weeks.

Sorry. UM is not changing its entire curriculum and violating university accreditation policies simply to admit one or two extra transfer football players each year. Quite frankly, NO OTHER UNIVERSITY is going to do that either.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It’s really not. But I’m not trying to argue with you.

What you stated is incorrect. The UM Administration has NOT been a thorn in our side for other Portal transfers. That's simply not true.

UM is what it is. We have our colleges/schools. We have our majors. We have our classes. That's not an "Administration" issue, it's just a fact of life. Even if we became a UCF-sized public school overnight, there would ALWAYS be cases where transfer students "lose" credit for certain classes taken at a prior institution.

IT EVEN HAPPENS BETWEEN SCHOOLS WITHIN THE SAME STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.

It's not an argument, and I'm not getting personal. You're just wrong, on a factually incorrect basis. If you choose not to acknowledge that, it's on you. Your incorrect opinion doesn't change the factual nature of what is happening here.

A university...any university...simply cannot give blanket credit to all classes taught at all schools if those classes are not offered at that university. It just doesn't happen. It can't happen.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Just slip them a crisp $20 and life will be good

 

[COCane4Life]

What you stated is incorrect. The UM Administration has NOT been a thorn in our side for other Portal transfers. That's simply not true.

UM is what it is. We have our colleges/schools. We have our majors. We have our classes. That's not an "Administration" issue, it's just a fact of life. Even if we became a UCF-sized public school overnight, there would ALWAYS be cases where transfer students "lose" credit for certain classes taken at a prior institution.

IT EVEN HAPPENS BETWEEN SCHOOLS WITHIN THE SAME STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.

It's not an argument, and I'm not getting personal. You're just wrong, on a factually incorrect basis. If you choose not to acknowledge that, it's on you. Your incorrect opinion doesn't change the factual nature of what is happening here.

A university...any university...simply cannot give blanket credit to all classes taught at all schools if those classes are not offered at that university. It just doesn't happen. It can't happen.

This isn’t a UM issue. It’s a trying to transfer with only 2-3 semesters left at any school and hoping your credits transfer issue. This dude is a redshirt Senior. Bruh got 4 years worth of credits. How much school could he possibly have left?

There comes a point where transferring doesn’t make sense academically and a lot of guys in the portal are testing that theory and learning the hard way.

It becomes abundantly more difficult the longer you wait and the more random your major. All degrees at some schools should not be treated equally. Certain classes are a joke and there’s no way to accept Mavis Beakon teaches typing 101, 201 and 301

 

[Brains]

Until you realize those basketball and football players names are on the same Maryland Degree paper yours is on.

I'll add that I am far more impressed by the disciplined and consistent work of being a college athlete, than I am by a GS degree.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This isn’t a UM issue. It’s a trying to transfer with only 2-3 semesters left at any school and hoping your credits transfer issue. This dude is a redshirt Senior. Bruh got 4 years worth of credits. How much school could he possibly have left?

There comes a point where transferring doesn’t make sense academically and a lot of guys in the portal are testing that theory and learning the hard way.

It becomes abundantly more difficult the longer you wait and the more random your major. All degrees at some schools should not be treated equally. Certain classes are a joke and there’s no way to accept Mavis Beakon teaches typing 101, 201 and 301

Student-athletes need to finish as FAST as they possibly can. Take summer classes. Do whatever.

This is why there is no need to rush a transfer in January if you are very close to graduating in May/summer. I understand the temptation to move to a new place for spring practice, but the academic trade-off can be steep.

 

[COCane4Life]

Student-athletes need to finish as FAST as they possibly can. Take summer classes. Do whatever.

This is why there is no need to rush a transfer in January if you are very close to graduating in May/summer. I understand the temptation to move to a new place for spring practice, but the academic trade-off can be steep.

Football players are incredibly fortunate to take classes all year round for free. Taking the minimum amount of credits during the fall and both summer sessions will allow even academically challenged guys to graduate in 4 years.

Realistically, most guys should be able to finish in 3 and half. These guys are in school nonstop. What can stop this from happening is failing classes and/or transferring. Even a clean transfer its unlikely all of your credits will transfer.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

There aren't a lot of ultra-general or fluff courses that readily transfer to any kind of credit at Miami.

We aren't a school with legions of made up "studies studies." Hence, my half-joking suggestion about General Studies.

Of course, I agree with trying to finesse it if we can. But I'd be lying if I said I knew how to do it, beyond Greneral Studies.

Even UM's "Liberal Arts" degree has a cap of 30 credits for transfer students. Designed to protect the integrity of the degree.

 

[GrozDozer]

Lock this thread Maude’s

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Am I the only one that looks at this as more an NIL/compensation problem? Ultimately, if Recruit X is losing more credits transferring to UM vs. the University of Arizona, that's simply a question of the value of the degree and additional amount of money needed to get it. If someone offered me $100K while I was at UM and told me I'd need to make up 15 credits the summer after I technically graduated, I'd have taken that bag fast.

 

[RightSaidFred]

You don't have to "work for universities" to know what department does what.

I went to the University of Miami. I have plenty of friends who continue to work there. I know exactly what department does what at UM. And this issue goes beyond one university, it applies to all universities.

If you want to continue to ignore SPECIFIC posts, like the one that Dee made about Brian Hightower losing credits, that's up to you. But you can't hide behind generalized vague statements like "we need to find a way to get these kids enrolled" and think that you've participated in the conversation.

LOTS of college transfers lose LOTS of credit hours of work. This is a common problem. It's part of the choice you make when transferring universities.

Again, I'm trying very hard not to target your post, you are not the only person who is somehow not allowing yourself to see that this is a common NON-UM problem. But this is not fixable. It's manageable, when time is not a constraint. But it can become an issue when people think they can decide to transfer universities and that they will get some kind of a binding decision within a couple of weeks.

Sorry. UM is not changing its entire curriculum and violating university accreditation policies simply to admit one or two extra transfer football players each year. Quite frankly, NO OTHER UNIVERSITY is going to do that either.

I never said it was a UM only problem, and frankly that misses the point. We have to compete with Georgia, Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State. Those are our aspirational peers. I somehow doubt that if those schools had a massive hole at DT on their rosters, and they had a transfer candidate ready to sign up, that they would allow a few transfer credits to stand in their way as we apparently have.

Some kids only want to be football players, and there is nothing wrong with any institution accommodating that. Telling a football player who wants to work in the NFL as a pro athlete that he has to take irrelevant classes would be like making a law school student take a year of pre-med, it would be irrelevant and superfluous. It reeks of academic snobbery and disrespect for athletics as a legitimate professional avenue, and I won’t humor that kind of thinking.

Bottom line - bring the kid in and accept his transfer credits. It helps Miami by making football stronger, and it helps the kid achieve his goals. Forcing him to take extra classes makes Miami less attractive to transfers, and it would not help the kid reach his goals in any meaningful way. Find a way to cut the red tape.

 

[Highline17]

I never said it was a UM only problem, and frankly that misses the point. We have to compete with Georgia, Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State. Those are our aspirational peers. I somehow doubt that if those schools had a massive hole at DT on their rosters, and they had a transfer candidate ready to sign up, that they would allow a few transfer credits to stand in their way as we apparently have.

Some kids only want to be football players, and there is nothing wrong with any institution accommodating that. Telling a football player who wants to work in the NFL as a pro athlete that he has to take irrelevant classes would be like making a law school student take a year of pre-med, it would be irrelevant and superfluous. It reeks of academic snobbery and disrespect for athletics as a legitimate professional avenue, and I won’t humor that kind of thinking.

Bottom line - bring the kid in and accept his transfer credits. It helps Miami by making football stronger, and it helps the kid achieve his goals. Forcing him to take extra classes makes Miami less attractive to transfers, and it would not help the kid reach his goals in any meaningful way. Find a way to cut the red tape.

While I’d like to just force admissions to accept credits. I’d think that’d there would be extremely severe consequences that could tarnish the entire university.

 

[canecrazy23]

What you stated is incorrect. The UM Administration has NOT been a thorn in our side for other Portal transfers. That's simply not true.

UM is what it is. We have our colleges/schools. We have our majors. We have our classes. That's not an "Administration" issue, it's just a fact of life. Even if we became a UCF-sized public school overnight, there would ALWAYS be cases where transfer students "lose" credit for certain classes taken at a prior institution.

IT EVEN HAPPENS BETWEEN SCHOOLS WITHIN THE SAME STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.

It's not an argument, and I'm not getting personal. You're just wrong, on a factually incorrect basis. If you choose not to acknowledge that, it's on you. Your incorrect opinion doesn't change the factual nature of what is happening here.

A university...any university...simply cannot give blanket credit to all classes taught at all schools if those classes are not offered at that university. It just doesn't happen. It can't happen.

Great answer!

The person I heard it from works with the school but sounds like they don't know as much as you. You actually explained yourself while my contact seemed to throw out a blanket statement.

I will choose to believe you on this one.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Great answer!

The person I heard it from works with the school but sounds like they don't know as much as you. You actually explained yourself while my contact seemed to throw out a blanket statement.

I will choose to believe you on this one.

It's all good.

When I was a UM undergrad, I was a member of President's 100. We were the ones who met with prospective high school and transfer students, answered questions, led tours, etc. More directly, when I started UM Law, I was 3 credits short of my MBA (I dropped a class in my final semester), and one year after finishing my grad work I had to get permission from the B-School Dean's Office to accept one of my law classes as the final 3 MBA elective credits (a class on European Union Law).

These are complicated issues. I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but I've seen a lot of this stuff up close. Once our Admissions Office gives the OK on admittance (which is easy for transfers and JuCos), the individual Dean's Office has to look at the transcript too. The process takes time, which sucks for anyone trying to transfer between December and January.