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Caden Prieskorn, TE, Memphis

TheOriginalCane said:
And we CAN take him. He's not prohibited from coming. But he might have to change majors and/or lose courses.

These are not "100% Miami decisions". It can be very mutual.

You've got @Brooklyndee talking about how Hightower lost nearly a year's worth of credits. It's not unique or unusual. If the kid ends up transferring to a crappy state school like Ole Miss, it's his prerogative.

I appreciate his academic excellence, I'm just not sure how we can fix "limited courses/limited majors". We're a small private school, we can't offer everything.

Without tripling tuition, that is. State schools get tax dollars.
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Honest question with no agenda (sad that have to preface this)

With the added investment into the program and creation of a department dedicated to acquiring transfers, wouldn't this or is this not possible to look into prior to making the effort on recruiting a transfer kid to come? Or is it a situation they know already and try to sell the kid on changing major to be able to get them in?
 
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Fzac75 said:
Honest question with no agenda (sad that have to preface this)

With the added investment into the program and creation of a department dedicated to acquiring transfers, wouldn't this or is this not possible to look into prior to making the effort on recruiting a transfer kid to come? Or is it a situation they know already and try to sell the kid on changing major to be able to get them in?
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It's a pretty good question, actually. I do think that with Portal kids, the time is short to get transcripts sent.

1. Portal opened December 5, players had 45 days to enter, not everyone entered on Day 1.
2. Fall 2022 grades do not get reported until late December/early January.
3. Transfer candidates have to order transcripts from the Registrar's office, and schools take time to process the orders.
4. Lots of university employees take paid time off during December.
5. Received transcripts need to be evaluated by someone in an academic role, not a football coach.

Yes, we can have backchannel conversations with potential transfers ("are you interested in UM"), but I don't know that any of these kids order their transcripts to be sent to us for evaluation BEFORE they enter the Portal. We have a lot more time to evaluate the transcripts of high school kids than we do for Portal kids.

If you want my honest answer, and I know this isn't the same at every university, but I remember UM offering the option of ordering an "unofficial" transcript (that did not have the University "seal" on it"), as opposed to an "official" transcript (which are usually sent in sealed envelopes to whoever you ask it to be sent to).

Maybe that's what UM needs to do during backchanneling. "Send us unofficial transcripts for evaluation". Not sure that there's a "better" answer than that one. None of that is an excuse or justification, it's just a summary of "a long way to go and a short time to get there" when it comes to transferring within a 45-day time span.
 
If Miami admin is serious about football, they won't allow admissions to hurt our recruiting by not accepting transfer credits. This is so bush league.

Whatever your transfer rules are, if it's an elite football player, you make an exception and get him enrolled.
 
RightSaidFred said:
If Miami admin is serious about football, they won't allow admissions to hurt our recruiting by not accepting transfer credits. This is so bush league.

Whatever your transfer rules are, if it's an elite football player, you make an exception and get him enrolled.
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Again, "Admissions" had nothing to do with this.
 
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canesdude said:
Have you heard anything new on Rogers the DT and the problem he had taken care of?
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The fact that he may still visit leads me to believe that certain things are manageable. I'm not criticizing anyone on a personal level, but some of our posters leap to "worst case scenario" when they read certain things.

Let me give an example. Let's say a player was majoring in Subject 1 at the prior school. Let's say that he wants to major in Subject 2 at the University of Miami, and we tell him he will lose 30 credits (i.e., he keeps them "overall", but they don't count towards his UM degree). Then, let's say we analyze the situation further and say "if you switch to Subject 3 as a major, you only lose 18 credits instead of 30". Is that not more workable?

The transcript issue is NOT a disqualifier. It may cause him to have to take more classes. Maybe he's OK with that, maybe not. Maybe he faces similar issues at other schools. Hard to tell.

I'm just trying to clarify to the people who (unfortunately) listen to our mopiest mopers. This may be a hiccup, it may be a bigger issue. But it is NOT Admissions. All of these kids CAN be admitted.

Now, academic progress to an undergraduate degree? Each situation is unique.

Just for conversation purposes:

TWO MOST COMMON ACADEMIC PURSUITS BY ATHLETES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI:

1. School of Business major - this is a very common pathway for athletes, I had soooo many varsity athletes in my classes (and later on, I tutored a lot of varsity athletes in business courses). The most common majors are Marketing, Management, and Finance, and any other derivitive or sub-specialty majors and programs, such as IFM. PROS: very easy to transfer courses between UNIVERSITIES, as most major universties have a B-School. CONS: Not a lot of overlap with other schools/colleges at UM, I lost a few credits when I transferred from the UM College of Engineering into the UM Business School.

2. School of Communications major - this is another common pathway for athletes, which can be very interesting, as you have to DOUBLE MAJOR at Miami. One of your majors has to be a "Communications" major, the other has to be a subject from the College of Arts & Sciences. PROS: You have an interesting variety of choices of classes, and you have a bit more flexibility with elective courses (compared to Business School). CONS: If you transfer from another university that has subjects NOT OFFERED at Miami, you can "lose" those electives, meaning your prior courses still count towards your 120 credit requirement, but they may not count towards the SPECIFIC requirements for your major, and you may end up needing more than 120 credits to effectively graduate.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The fact that he may still visit leads me to believe that certain things are manageable. I'm not criticizing anyone on a personal level, but some of our posters leap to "worst case scenario" when they read certain things.

Let me give an example. Let's say a player was majoring in Subject 1 at the prior school. Let's say that he wants to major in Subject 2 at the University of Miami, and we tell him he will lose 30 credits (i.e., he keeps them "overall", but they don't count towards his UM degree). Then, let's say we analyze the situation further and say "if you switch to Subject 3 as a major, you only lose 18 credits instead of 30". Is that not more workable?

The transcript issue is NOT a disqualifier. It may cause him to have to take more classes. Maybe he's OK with that, maybe not. Maybe he faces similar issues at other schools. Hard to tell.

I'm just trying to clarify to the people who (unfortunately) listen to our mopiest mopers. This may be a hiccup, it may be a bigger issue. But it is NOT Admissions. All of these kids CAN be admitted.

Now, academic progress to an undergraduate degree? Each situation is unique.

Just for conversation purposes:

TWO MOST COMMON ACADEMIC PURSUITS BY ATHLETES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI:

1. School of Business major - this is a very common pathway for athletes, I had soooo many varsity athletes in my classes (and later on, I tutored a lot of varsity athletes in business courses). The most common majors are Marketing, Management, and Finance, and any other derivitive or sub-specialty majors and programs, such as IFM. PROS: very easy to transfer courses between UNIVERSITIES, as most major universties have a B-School. CONS: Not a lot of overlap with other schools/colleges at UM, I lost a few credits when I transferred from the UM College of Engineering into the UM Business School.

2. School of Communications major - this is another common pathway for athletes, which can be very interesting, as you have to DOUBLE MAJOR at Miami. One of your majors has to be a "Communications" major, the other has to be a subject from the College of Arts & Sciences. PROS: You have an interesting variety of choices of classes, and you have a bit more flexibility with elective courses (compared to Business School). CONS: If you transfer from another university that has subjects NOT OFFERED at Miami, you can "lose" those electives, meaning your prior courses still count towards your 120 credit requirement, but they may not count towards the SPECIFIC requirements for your major, and you may end up needing more than 120 credits to effectively graduate.
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Thank you.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Again, "Admissions" had nothing to do with this.
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Maybe not with Cormani but Admin has been a thorn in our side with Portal Transfers.

It's the reason Cornroe Mike is doing so well with getting these kids in because going to FSU is like getting into Community College. Everyone gets accepted. LOL
 
RightSaidFred said:
Semantics. If the school is not accepting transfer credits while a peer school is willing to accept those credits, then the school is hurting our recruiting.

That’s unacceptable
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It's not semantics, so stop trying to rehabilitate your previous uninformed/incorrect post.

It has to do with course offerings and college accreditation.

YOU CAN'T GIVE CREDIT TOWARDS A DEGREE WITH CLASSES YOUR SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN OFFER.

Why can't people understand this simple concept?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's not semantics, so stop trying to rehabilitate your previous uninformed/incorrect post.

It has to do with course offerings and college accreditation.

YOU CAN'T GIVE CREDIT TOWARDS A DEGREE WITH CLASSES YOUR SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN OFFER.

Why can't people understand this simple concept?
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Let me try since some people can’t understand what you have clearly stated so many times:

If your major was basket weaving at school “A” and you transfer to school “B” and that school doesn’t offer basket weaving as a major, you can’t get credit for those classes you have taken at school “A” that pertain to that major (basket weaving 101, 102, etc).

If your major is something like “marketing” which every school offers, you should be good to go in terms of being able to transfer credits.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
It's not semantics, so stop trying to rehabilitate your previous uninformed/incorrect post.

It has to do with course offerings and college accreditation.

YOU CAN'T GIVE CREDIT TOWARDS A DEGREE WITH CLASSES YOUR SCHOOL DOESN'T EVEN OFFER.

Why can't people understand this simple concept?
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It is such an easy concept to understand even for the uninformed on this board. And yes, large public state universities offer many more majors, but even at these institutions if you change colleges and majors within the state university, you are most likely losing credits.

On a side note, my son wanted to minor in mathematics as well as physics with his aero degree. Department never had a candidate asking to major in aero and minor in math. He could not line up a mandatory math class so he could not minor in math only physics.

Our uniformed want to create degrees, shift schedules for one or two kids every year? Riiiiiight!
 
PIPO said:
Let me try since some people can’t understand what you have clearly stated so many times:

If your major was basket weaving at school “A” and you transfer to school “B” and that school doesn’t offer basket weaving as a major, you can’t get credit for those classes you have taken at school “A” that pertain to that major (basket weaving 101, 102, etc).

If your major is something like “marketing” which every school offers, you should be good to go in terms of being able to transfer credits.
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In most cases, however not all credits even within the major transfer cleaning. There are prereq's at one school that may not be prereq's at the new school for instance. That is true even for state universities even within the same state.
 
JeddTheFisch said:
Bring back General Studies!
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We had that at UofMaryland.
One time I went to see counselor at school regarding some issues I was having with getting certain classes in order to graduate by certain time...she kept trying to push me to General Studies degree....it was basically take any discipline of classes for certain amount of credits to get a diploma. It sounded like a joke and I later learned that many basketball and football players did General Studies...what a joke, lol.
 
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MedleyCane said:
We had that at UofMaryland.
One time I went to see counselor at school regarding some issues I was having with getting certain classes in order to graduate by certain time...she kept trying to push me to General Studies degree....it was basically take any discipline of classes for certain amount of credits to get a diploma. It sounded like a joke and I later learned that many basketball and football players did General Studies...what a joke, lol.
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Until you realize those basketball and football players names are on the same Maryland Degree paper yours is on.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
It is such an easy concept to understand even for the uninformed on this board. And yes, large public state universities offer many more majors, but even at these institutions if you change colleges and majors within the state university, you are most likely losing credits.

On a side note, my son wanted to minor in mathematics as well as physics with his aero degree. Department never had a candidate asking to major in aero and minor in math. He could not line up a mandatory math class so he could not minor in math only physics.

Our uniformed want to create degrees, shift schedules for one or two kids every year? Riiiiiight!
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:100:

I would also point out that @Brooklyndee stated that Brian Hightower lost about 20 or 30 credits TOWARDS HIS DEGREE when he transferred from Miami to Illinois.

Illinois is a large state (public) school in the 6th largest state in the country.

Apparently, even Illinois couldn't give Brian Hightower full credit for all of his private school college credits from UM. And he still transferred.

This isn't complicated. This isn't "UM Admissions". EVERY OTHER recruitment (high school, JuCo, transfers who don't require an answer within 30 days over a holiday period) involves an academic record that can be evaluated and resolved within a reasonable period of time.

Portal opened December 5th, while these guys are still taking fall semester final exams. And people DON'T think there will be a few hiccups due to transcript evaluation? I'm just shocked it doesn't happen MORE frequently.
 
One last point to make.

Many schools allow you to "visit" in your final year (I'm not sure where Prieskorn or Rogers or any other recruit sits currently with academic progress).

This means you take classes at University 2, but you still get your degree from University 1.

I'm not sure all the rules at the undergrad level. In law school (3 years/90 credit hours), if you change schools after Year 1, you get your degree from University 2. If you change schools after Year 2, you get your degree from University 1. I had a friend from undergrad/law who got his UM undergrad degree from UM, went to another very good law school for Years 1 & 2, and then came back to Miami for Year 3 of law school (thus getting his law degree from the other law school).

So if this is done at the undergrad level, a student-athlete needs to be sure that UM offers the classes he needs to complete his diploma at University 1.
 
There aren't a lot of ultra-general or fluff courses that readily transfer to any kind of credit at Miami.

We aren't a school with legions of made up "studies studies." Hence, my half-joking suggestion about General Studies.

Of course, I agree with trying to finesse it if we can. But I'd be lying if I said I knew how to do it, beyond Greneral Studies.
 
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