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Brenden Sorsby- The Gambling Addiction

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The thing is it seems the more this comes out, the kid clearly does have a problem. Sure maybe its betting a dollar a pitch but he was also betting doubles tennis tournaments, the MLB draft, romanian soccer, turkish basketball, cricket, legit everything man.

and then saying he has taken accountability is a joke, he hasnt, he got caught and instead of lying and digging the hole deeper he admitted to it. But for this "anonymous" tip, no way he takes "accountability." and admits he gambled on the eve of the season, **** he was probably still gambling right up to when he was outed.

The "adults" in the room need to call this out for what it is. They think gambling is widely accepted now and a good player should be allowed to play a SPORT in which he will make a lot of other people money and likely be drafted high. But fast forward 15 years when he is out of football and broke from gambling everything away NONE of those people championing about his mental health will still be there because he no longer has monetary value. The dude still has a chance to seek help, get right, and make a living playing a god **** sport but instead they are going to try to game the system to create an exception so it amounts to a slap on the wrist and unlikely any lessons will be learned
 
passitback said:
“I told myself the bets weren’t really gambling — they were more like a community outreach program where I donated money to sportsbooks in exchange for the privilege of feeling personally responsible for a third-string linebacker’s performance.”

~ Daniel Sorsby
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This couldn't sound any more like an addict if it was scripted....as long as this is the rationale and he doesn't admit an addiction, it will never change
 
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AtlAtty said:
That is how these cases, and many, many cases have been playing out. And it isn’t limited to the NC2A.

Think of all the “political” cases that are filed against a national law and are decided by an injunction by one federal judge. The republicans have successfully brought a number of cases before one specific federal judge in Texas. And I’m sure the democrats have their favorites as well. But this only works in single judge federal districts because it is the only way to be certain who the judge will be as cases are randomly assigned within a jurisdiction. As an example, Fulton County, Ga has something like 20 Superior Court Judges. So if an attorney files a case in Fulton County, the cases is literally assigned to the next judge on the “wheel”. And it truly is that random. And the Northern District of Georgia has around 20 federal judges as well who are randomly assigned. Not good odds either way for “judge shopping”.

Sorsby attorneys will most certainly go “venue shopping”. They can’t guarantee which judge within the county (State judges) or district (federal judges) will be assigned to the case, but that may not matter much in a place like Lubbock. If I was the attorney I would probably file in State court as those judges are typically elected and I would want someone who has to face an election. It adds to the pressure on the judge.

Unless Lubbock is in a one-judge federal district as then I would know exactly who will be assigned if its a federal case.

But back to your point, yes. One judge can grant an injunction.
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I have very little knowledge in these matters, can this injunction be overturned by a higher court? Specifically in this case? @AtlAtty
 
Cookie917 said:
The "adults" in the room need to call this out for what it is. They think gambling is widely accepted now and a good player should be allowed to play a SPORT in which he will make a lot of other people money and likely be drafted high. But fast forward 15 years when he is out of football and broke from gambling everything away NONE of those people championing about his mental health will still be there because he no longer has monetary value. The dude still has a chance to seek help, get right, and make a living playing a god **** sport but instead they are going to try to game the system to create an exception so it amounts to a slap on the wrist and unlikely any lessons will be learned
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This is the real problem. Gambling IS widely accepted now, despite very alarming trends.

This isn't going to stop with Sorsby.
 
TomAce said:
This couldn't sound any more like an addict if it was scripted....
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LMAO...

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caneingville said:
This is the real problem. Gambling IS widely accepted now, despite very alarming trends.

This isn't going to stop with Sorsby.
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exactly. You cannot watch a game without numerous ads tempting you to bet, offering you a few free hundred bucks just to open an account, ESPN showing odds on its tickers like it is the NYSE, the betting companies having their adds on the field or court or whatever, it is largely seen in the public as an innocent vice, not hurting others but like you said they do not understand the downstream impact it has.

FFS the initial article from ESPN about Sorsby highlighting him as a gambling addict and him going to treatment freaking concluded the article how TT and Sorsby's betting odds got worse for playoff and heisman campaigns, like what are we doing here?
 
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TomAce said:
Also @AtlAtty how much does in matter that the betting took place in multiple states?
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That issue goes to any criminality. Meaning that if he gambled in various states, which he apparently did, then he can be charged criminally in each state in which he broke the law, assuming that he broke the law. But that does not impact the issue of an injunction or lawsuit against the NC2A, which is purely civil.

All Sorsby needs is one judge in one jurisdiction to grant the injunction. And that jurisdiction will be Lubbock for the friendly reception this case will receive in court. And assuming he wins the injunction, all he needs is for the appeal to not be decided until after the football season concludes. Even if he loses the appeal after the season, no one will care, least of all Sorsby or TT.
 
Cookie917 said:
exactly. You cannot watch a game without numerous ads tempting you to bet, offering you a few free hundred bucks just to open an account, ESPN showing odds on its tickers like it is the NYSE, the betting companies having their adds on the field or court or whatever, it is largely seen in the public as an innocent vice, not hurting others but like you said they do not understand the downstream impact it has.

FFS the initial article from ESPN about Sorsby highlighting him as a gambling addict and him going to treatment freaking concluded the article how TT and Sorsby's betting odds got worse for playoff and heisman campaigns, like what are we doing here?
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Seems ironic that Sorbsby would be a charter member in College Players Gamblers Annonymous.
The CPGA.....sponsored by Draft Kings and bets to see if his case is heard and if he prevails... over or under.

A bet on a bettor, who is an addicted gambler with $6Mil waiting in the kitty..........
Please tell me this is not real...............he will claim restraint of trade for schools making money off betting............wow.
 
AtlAtty said:
That issue goes to any criminality. Meaning that if he gambled in various states, which he apparently did, then he can be charged criminally in each state in which he broke the law, assuming that he broke the law. But that does not impact the issue of an injunction or lawsuit against the NC2A, which is purely civil.

All Sorsby needs is one judge in one jurisdiction to grant the injunction. And that jurisdiction will be Lubbock for the friendly reception this case will receive in court. And assuming he wins the injunction, all he needs is for the appeal to not be decided until after the football season concludes. Even if he loses the appeal after the season, no one will care, least of all Sorsby or TT.
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Agreed. I wonder if the NCAA will try to use some morality bylaw or something for the underage gambling. I have not read the injunction filed by Sorsby but the snippets all seem to be geared toward gambling and how the NCAA should relax its restrictions on same.

My assumption is somewhere in the NCAA bylaws it likely says you have to not break the law in general. So if Sorsby instead of gambling got arrested for battery or theft, then I think everyone agrees the school and NCAA can levy punishment, same way the NFL does (even if charges are technically dropped, NFL can still issue a suspension or fine or whatever for conduct unbecoming), its not a restraint on trade or him working, it was him doing something illegal, he then wants to play for a private company in a private league and the league has a right to say no.

He is a football QB, he can go play in Canada or overseas or supplemental draft, this is purely so he can play WITHIN the NCAA.
 
Cookie917 said:
Agreed. I wonder if the NCAA will try to use some morality bylaw or something for the underage gambling. I have not read the injunction filed by Sorsby but the snippets all seem to be geared toward gambling and how the NCAA should relax its restrictions on same.

My assumption is somewhere in the NCAA bylaws it likely says you have to not break the law in general. So if Sorsby instead of gambling got arrested for battery or theft, then I think everyone agrees the school and NCAA can levy punishment, same way the NFL does (even if charges are technically dropped, NFL can still issue a suspension or fine or whatever for conduct unbecoming), its not a restraint on trade or him working, it was him doing something illegal, he then wants to play for a private company in a private league and the league has a right to say no.

He is a football QB, he can go play in Canada or overseas or supplemental draft, this is purely so he can play WITHIN the NCAA.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the power the pro leagues have to enforce their rules is primarily based on collective bargaining with the players, which essentially means the players agreed to give the leagues this power. The unwillingness of the NC2A to bargain with players means each player individually argues against whichever rule is being applied to that players; eligibility, gambling, etc…

I’m actually pulling for the NC2A in the Sorsby situation because if a court decides that a player can’t be suspended for betting on his own team because the NC2A now promotes gambling, then we are in the abyss. Gambling becomes de facto permitted, even on one’s own team. Of course conferences and teams could create their own rules on this topic but they won’t because that hurts one of their own players or teams.

But I really agree with your point about restraint of trade being inapplicable. College football is not the only place to play football.
 
Cookie917 said:
The thing is it seems the more this comes out, the kid clearly does have a problem. Sure maybe its betting a dollar a pitch but he was also betting doubles tennis tournaments, the MLB draft, romanian soccer, turkish basketball, cricket, legit everything man.

and then saying he has taken accountability is a joke, he hasnt, he got caught and instead of lying and digging the hole deeper he admitted to it. But for this "anonymous" tip, no way he takes "accountability." and admits he gambled on the eve of the season, **** he was probably still gambling right up to when he was outed.

The "adults" in the room need to call this out for what it is. They think gambling is widely accepted now and a good player should be allowed to play a SPORT in which he will make a lot of other people money and likely be drafted high. But fast forward 15 years when he is out of football and broke from gambling everything away NONE of those people championing about his mental health will still be there because he no longer has monetary value. The dude still has a chance to seek help, get right, and make a living playing a god **** sport but instead they are going to try to game the system to create an exception so it amounts to a slap on the wrist and unlikely any lessons will be learned
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The crisis goes way beyond a few players. Gambling apps dominate sports to a ridiculous extent. And it's widely underreported, because networks have partnerships with these gambling sites and casinos.
 
FL Cane said:
They’re quite clear.

The angle they’re taking is that his addiction was essentially debilitating, grey zone for enforcement, etc.

The reality is this type of addiction is not resolved with a few months of rehab or treatment. He also committed clear violations. TTech and him were trying to get ahead of it and are now trying to play the sympathy card. Kid should not play a down of CFB again.
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Relax. If he sits a year and Mensah goes pro, the board will change their tune about his eligibility -- you can bet on that.
 
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