Barry Jackson on D'Onofrio

[poncho0091]

All these arm chair DC's playing the results.
When you have Gaines making his first career start, Chick playing DE at 240 as a true freshman, Perryman playing as a true freshman, Mike Williams starting at CB, some no name scrubs at DT, and bunch of other jags you pretty much are vulnerable to anything. These coaches literally were coaching with one arm tied behind their backs due to all the last minute suspensions they had to deal with. The fact that they kept them to under 20 points is a miracle in its own right.
But like I said you guys play the results. You all were biching that they were giving the Wr's to much cushion but when they moved Mcgee up he gets burned over the top on a critical play late in the game.
But yeah you guys have it all figured out.

Keep fighting the good fight. These losers are focusing on an isolated incident where the defense didn't play well (which was 0% the coaches fault) and are conveniently ignoring all the GREAT defensive performances this team has had against other GREAT offenses since then. These mopes are too retarded to recognize the defensive genius staring them right in their fat faces.

Appreciate the sarcasm but not the straw man, which going by the likes of your post has successfully played on the ignorance of the peanut gallery.
No one has made the claim that this defense has been great or that these coaches are defensive geniuses.
The discord has really centered around the reasons why the defense has sucked and what a reasonable time frame to get things turnaround.

From this standpoint, it's a bad harbinger that these guys' first year was by far their best. They didn't have great talent then, either. That would suggest that year-by-year, teams have gotten accustomed to what we are doing and are implementing plans that beat it. They've adjusted, we haven't. Our talent last year wasn't too much worse than 2011 (if worse at all), it wasn't all that inexperienced, and yet the results were three times worse. It's alarming.

I think Golden really inherited a bad situation and I knew that it would take a lot of time to fix. But I really think that the expectation was to see some significant improvement in the latter half of last year--given more experience/familiarity of the older guys and (hopefully) being able to plug in some younger more talented guys. That didn't happen. Now I'm in a position where I'm just hoping, but my expectations are low. I just don't see what about a new bunch of young, hopefully-talented players is likely to take this defense from 80th (or whatever) to being really good absent a fundamental philosophical change. We'll hopefully improve, but our goal would be excellence and nobody can have that expectation based on what we've seen. Just hope.

You're choosing to draw definite conclusions from that past 3 seasons which have really been anything but normal.
You say their first year was their best and that teams have adjusted and our coaches haven't but how do you explain our record improving then? I mean if you say the 2011 team was the most talented Golden has had wouldn't you be impressed with him winning more games with less talented teams?
so you say we have nothing to base expectations of improvement except for hoping for it but this staff has shown the propensity to get more out of each team each year however ugly it has been. So I disagree on it being just "hope". It's not.
Add to that on paper all indications point to the roster shaping up the be the best it's been for Al in terms of depth and talent and we have real tangible information to expect improvement on all fronts.

The problem is you are doing the same thing. Someone else is using 3 seasons where yes the personnel were not elite, but they were decent enough to not look like montana st on defense. Where as the supporters are using 1 season where his defense was high ranked against garbage offenses. Someone pointed this out earlier and it was spot on. Golden's defense relies on the offense making a mistake. I think this greatly contributed to his success at Temple because crappy teams are more prone to make mistakes than high level BCS teams.

Second issue is you all keep saying the wins total improved, but you all ignore the fact that our schedule was significantly weaker. UNC was down, this was the worst VT team I've seen in a LOOONNNGGG time, WF sucked, No Clemson, GT was average at best, Pitt sucked, UVA sucked, FAU sucked, Sav ST sucks, USF sucked.

Before our bowl game, UF and FSU and Duke were the 3 best teams on our schedule (I didn't forget Louisville, they will come last). UF has no pass game so they were completely one dimensional and their offense as a whole is garbage to begin with, yet they still had one of their best passing games of the year against us. FSU was all around good obviously. Them and maybe Florida were the only teams on our schedule who have outrecruited us ever, including the last 3 years. Duke has never come close to outrecruiting us, but their players outplayed us this year. That tells me we are lacking in development, coaching, or both.

Louisville is the only thing that made this years schedule remotely close to previous years. Here is the problem with using them in our schedule argument. In the prior years we did not go to a bowl game or we would have played a decent to good team that would have boosted our schedule even more in those years. With that said, we played them and they embarrassed us worse than the national champs did. Louisville is not that good, they struggled with a few AAC teams and put up big numbers against scrubs, but they sure as **** were better than us. I was even more embarrassed to watch our guys hug it out with Teddy B after the throat slash. That attitude is a great reason why we are who we are today and not who we were before.

 

[poncho0091]

All these arm chair DC's playing the results.
When you have Gaines making his first career start, Chick playing DE at 240 as a true freshman, Perryman playing as a true freshman, Mike Williams starting at CB, some no name scrubs at DT, and bunch of other jags you pretty much are vulnerable to anything. These coaches literally were coaching with one arm tied behind their backs due to all the last minute suspensions they had to deal with. The fact that they kept them to under 20 points is a miracle in its own right.
But like I said you guys play the results. You all were biching that they were giving the Wr's to much cushion but when they moved Mcgee up he gets burned over the top on a critical play late in the game.
But yeah you guys have it all figured out.

Keep fighting the good fight. These losers are focusing on an isolated incident where the defense didn't play well (which was 0% the coaches fault) and are conveniently ignoring all the GREAT defensive performances this team has had against other GREAT offenses since then. These mopes are too retarded to recognize the defensive genius staring them right in their fat faces.

I had to read this twice. He almost had me.

 

[Ibis4life]

Former UM assistant coach Don Soldinger said he sees nothing wrong with D’Onofrio’s system. What bothers him is this: “You don’t see guys swarming to the football. Guys are hesitant. Sometimes, they’re not taking the right angles. I question if the effort was there for all 11 guys. Al will fix it; I think the guy is special.”

But Soldinger said “criticism that will come after this year or next will be justified” because these are Golden’s players.


Solly has forgotten more football than all the whiny former players ever knew and I'd trust his judgement of the system over any of them.

You think any of this has to do with players thinking too much and still not grasping the system after two years? Maybe this system is too complex for college athletes as Pete Carroll has stated before.

was it too complex for the college athletes at temple?

Exactly. One thing I think is or has been a problem is the youth training of young football players down here. The youth leagues play a speed game where they just run to the ball. Then they come to college and have to learn to read keys and play assignments. Some adapt very well but some want to continue to freelance and play like they always have, and in a defense dependent upon everyone playing their assignment, one free lancer can completely destroy the effort of the defense.

 

[HighSeas]

The problem is you are doing the same thing. Someone else is using 3 seasons where yes the personnel were not elite, but they were decent enough to not look like montana st on defense. Where as the supporters are using 1 season where his defense was high ranked against garbage offenses. Someone pointed this out earlier and it was spot on. Golden's defense relies on the offense making a mistake. I think this greatly contributed to his success at Temple because crappy teams are more prone to make mistakes than high level BCS teams.

Second issue is you all keep saying the wins total improved, but you all ignore the fact that our schedule was significantly weaker. UNC was down, this was the worst VT team I've seen in a LOOONNNGGG time, WF sucked, No Clemson, GT was average at best, Pitt sucked, UVA sucked, FAU sucked, Sav ST sucks, USF sucked.

Before our bowl game, UF and FSU and Duke were the 3 best teams on our schedule (I didn't forget Louisville, they will come last). UF has no pass game so they were completely one dimensional and their offense as a whole is garbage to begin with, yet they still had one of their best passing games of the year against us. FSU was all around good obviously. Them and maybe Florida were the only teams on our schedule who have outrecruited us ever, including the last 3 years. Duke has never come close to outrecruiting us, but their players outplayed us this year. That tells me we are lacking in development, coaching, or both.

Louisville is the only thing that made this years schedule remotely close to previous years. Here is the problem with using them in our schedule argument. In the prior years we did not go to a bowl game or we would have played a decent to good team that would have boosted our schedule even more in those years. With that said, we played them and they embarrassed us worse than the national champs did. Louisville is not that good, they struggled with a few AAC teams and put up big numbers against scrubs, but they sure as **** were better than us. I was even more embarrassed to watch our guys hug it out with Teddy B after the throat slash. That attitude is a great reason why we are who we are today and not who we were before.

A competent offense will not be stopped when they know what the other team is running, unless that defense has elite talent (02 Bucs, 13 Seahawks, etc.). Our coverage schemes are telegraphed and our DC is incapable of manufacturing a pass rush. Only bad and sloppy offenses will struggle against us, and improved talent and recruiting will only make the defense marginally better by introducing some semblance of a pass rush. The rest is up to the coaching staff as far as personnel usage, deception and scheme adjustments. In other words, don't expect things to change much until the staff is replaced.

The excuses in this thread are hilarious. Instead of watching the film you guys will look on the surface for any rationalizing factor to maintain adequate levels of hope. So now it's the youth coaches and youth leagues who are at fault for our ****** defense, THAT MAKES SENSE! Let's ignore the fact that other schools recruit players from the same areas who have no issues learning and executing a scheme, smh. Anything to deflect the blame from the coaching staff so there's still promise for things to get better, it's classic lol. Reality is just too difficult for some on this board I guess, and the Golden supporters have to support him otherwise they'll get agitated and depressed like the rest of us.

 

[Ibis4life]

The problem is you are doing the same thing. Someone else is using 3 seasons where yes the personnel were not elite, but they were decent enough to not look like montana st on defense. Where as the supporters are using 1 season where his defense was high ranked against garbage offenses. Someone pointed this out earlier and it was spot on. Golden's defense relies on the offense making a mistake. I think this greatly contributed to his success at Temple because crappy teams are more prone to make mistakes than high level BCS teams.

Second issue is you all keep saying the wins total improved, but you all ignore the fact that our schedule was significantly weaker. UNC was down, this was the worst VT team I've seen in a LOOONNNGGG time, WF sucked, No Clemson, GT was average at best, Pitt sucked, UVA sucked, FAU sucked, Sav ST sucks, USF sucked.

Before our bowl game, UF and FSU and Duke were the 3 best teams on our schedule (I didn't forget Louisville, they will come last). UF has no pass game so they were completely one dimensional and their offense as a whole is garbage to begin with, yet they still had one of their best passing games of the year against us. FSU was all around good obviously. Them and maybe Florida were the only teams on our schedule who have outrecruited us ever, including the last 3 years. Duke has never come close to outrecruiting us, but their players outplayed us this year. That tells me we are lacking in development, coaching, or both.

Louisville is the only thing that made this years schedule remotely close to previous years. Here is the problem with using them in our schedule argument. In the prior years we did not go to a bowl game or we would have played a decent to good team that would have boosted our schedule even more in those years. With that said, we played them and they embarrassed us worse than the national champs did. Louisville is not that good, they struggled with a few AAC teams and put up big numbers against scrubs, but they sure as **** were better than us. I was even more embarrassed to watch our guys hug it out with Teddy B after the throat slash. That attitude is a great reason why we are who we are today and not who we were before.

A competent offense will not be stopped when they know what the other team is running, unless that defense has elite talent (02 Bucs, 13 Seahawks, etc.). Our coverage schemes are telegraphed and our DC is incapable of manufacturing a pass rush. Only bad and sloppy offenses will struggle against us, and improved talent and recruiting will only make the defense marginally better by introducing some semblance of a pass rush. The rest is up to the coaching staff as far as personnel usage, deception and scheme adjustments. In other words, don't expect things to change much until the staff is replaced.

The excuses in this thread are hilarious. Instead of watching the film you guys will look on the surface for any rationalizing factor to maintain adequate levels of hope. So now it's the youth coaches and youth leagues who are at fault for our ****ty defense, THAT MAKES SENSE! Let's ignore the fact that other schools recruit players from the same areas who have no issues learning and executing a scheme, smh. Anything to deflect the blame from the coaching staff so there's still promise for things to get better, it's classic lol. Reality is just too difficult for some on this board I guess, and the Golden supporters have to support him otherwise they'll get agitated and depressed like the rest of us.

Obviously they should just hire you. Fans are always calling for Soldinger to be brought back and he says the players and not the scheme are the issue, but you evidently know much more than one of the best coaches to ever work at the U.

 

[Da_U_85]

The problem is you are doing the same thing. Someone else is using 3 seasons where yes the personnel were not elite, but they were decent enough to not look like montana st on defense. Where as the supporters are using 1 season where his defense was high ranked against garbage offenses. Someone pointed this out earlier and it was spot on. Golden's defense relies on the offense making a mistake. I think this greatly contributed to his success at Temple because crappy teams are more prone to make mistakes than high level BCS teams.

Second issue is you all keep saying the wins total improved, but you all ignore the fact that our schedule was significantly weaker. UNC was down, this was the worst VT team I've seen in a LOOONNNGGG time, WF sucked, No Clemson, GT was average at best, Pitt sucked, UVA sucked, FAU sucked, Sav ST sucks, USF sucked.

Before our bowl game, UF and FSU and Duke were the 3 best teams on our schedule (I didn't forget Louisville, they will come last). UF has no pass game so they were completely one dimensional and their offense as a whole is garbage to begin with, yet they still had one of their best passing games of the year against us. FSU was all around good obviously. Them and maybe Florida were the only teams on our schedule who have outrecruited us ever, including the last 3 years. Duke has never come close to outrecruiting us, but their players outplayed us this year. That tells me we are lacking in development, coaching, or both.

Louisville is the only thing that made this years schedule remotely close to previous years. Here is the problem with using them in our schedule argument. In the prior years we did not go to a bowl game or we would have played a decent to good team that would have boosted our schedule even more in those years. With that said, we played them and they embarrassed us worse than the national champs did. Louisville is not that good, they struggled with a few AAC teams and put up big numbers against scrubs, but they sure as **** were better than us. I was even more embarrassed to watch our guys hug it out with Teddy B after the throat slash. That attitude is a great reason why we are who we are today and not who we were before.

A competent offense will not be stopped when they know what the other team is running, unless that defense has elite talent (02 Bucs, 13 Seahawks, etc.). Our coverage schemes are telegraphed and our DC is incapable of manufacturing a pass rush. Only bad and sloppy offenses will struggle against us, and improved talent and recruiting will only make the defense marginally better by introducing some semblance of a pass rush. The rest is up to the coaching staff as far as personnel usage, deception and scheme adjustments. In other words, don't expect things to change much until the staff is replaced.

The excuses in this thread are hilarious. Instead of watching the film you guys will look on the surface for any rationalizing factor to maintain adequate levels of hope. So now it's the youth coaches and youth leagues who are at fault for our ****ty defense, THAT MAKES SENSE! Let's ignore the fact that other schools recruit players from the same areas who have no issues learning and executing a scheme, smh. Anything to deflect the blame from the coaching staff so there's still promise for things to get better, it's classic lol. Reality is just too difficult for some on this board I guess, and the Golden supporters have to support him otherwise they'll get agitated and depressed like the rest of us.

Obviously they should just hire you. Fans are always calling for Soldinger to be brought back and he says the players and not the scheme are the issue, but you evidently know much more than one of the best coaches to ever work at the U.

And former players are saying it's the scheme. That they know where the offense is going before snap. So what's your point.

 

[Ibis4life]

The problem is you are doing the same thing. Someone else is using 3 seasons where yes the personnel were not elite, but they were decent enough to not look like montana st on defense. Where as the supporters are using 1 season where his defense was high ranked against garbage offenses. Someone pointed this out earlier and it was spot on. Golden's defense relies on the offense making a mistake. I think this greatly contributed to his success at Temple because crappy teams are more prone to make mistakes than high level BCS teams.

Second issue is you all keep saying the wins total improved, but you all ignore the fact that our schedule was significantly weaker. UNC was down, this was the worst VT team I've seen in a LOOONNNGGG time, WF sucked, No Clemson, GT was average at best, Pitt sucked, UVA sucked, FAU sucked, Sav ST sucks, USF sucked.

Before our bowl game, UF and FSU and Duke were the 3 best teams on our schedule (I didn't forget Louisville, they will come last). UF has no pass game so they were completely one dimensional and their offense as a whole is garbage to begin with, yet they still had one of their best passing games of the year against us. FSU was all around good obviously. Them and maybe Florida were the only teams on our schedule who have outrecruited us ever, including the last 3 years. Duke has never come close to outrecruiting us, but their players outplayed us this year. That tells me we are lacking in development, coaching, or both.

Louisville is the only thing that made this years schedule remotely close to previous years. Here is the problem with using them in our schedule argument. In the prior years we did not go to a bowl game or we would have played a decent to good team that would have boosted our schedule even more in those years. With that said, we played them and they embarrassed us worse than the national champs did. Louisville is not that good, they struggled with a few AAC teams and put up big numbers against scrubs, but they sure as **** were better than us. I was even more embarrassed to watch our guys hug it out with Teddy B after the throat slash. That attitude is a great reason why we are who we are today and not who we were before.

A competent offense will not be stopped when they know what the other team is running, unless that defense has elite talent (02 Bucs, 13 Seahawks, etc.). Our coverage schemes are telegraphed and our DC is incapable of manufacturing a pass rush. Only bad and sloppy offenses will struggle against us, and improved talent and recruiting will only make the defense marginally better by introducing some semblance of a pass rush. The rest is up to the coaching staff as far as personnel usage, deception and scheme adjustments. In other words, don't expect things to change much until the staff is replaced.

The excuses in this thread are hilarious. Instead of watching the film you guys will look on the surface for any rationalizing factor to maintain adequate levels of hope. So now it's the youth coaches and youth leagues who are at fault for our ****ty defense, THAT MAKES SENSE! Let's ignore the fact that other schools recruit players from the same areas who have no issues learning and executing a scheme, smh. Anything to deflect the blame from the coaching staff so there's still promise for things to get better, it's classic lol. Reality is just too difficult for some on this board I guess, and the Golden supporters have to support him otherwise they'll get agitated and depressed like the rest of us.

Obviously they should just hire you. Fans are always calling for Soldinger to be brought back and he says the players and not the scheme are the issue, but you evidently know much more than one of the best coaches to ever work at the U.

And former players are saying it's the scheme. That they know where the offense is going before snap. So what's your point.

And former players who actually played in this system for Coach D say he is a great coach and that the problem has been the talent level. I'd take Solly and recent players opinions over guys like Sapp and PBuck any day.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

It all boils down to results on the field. We simply haven't seen any yet.

Hopefully that will change however the track record would suggest otherwise.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

It all boils down to results on the field. We simply haven't seen any yet.

Hopefully that will change however the track record would suggest otherwise.

Track record actually suggests 4th year being the year for marked improvement.

 

[poncho0091]

It all boils down to results on the field. We simply haven't seen any yet.

Hopefully that will change however the track record would suggest otherwise.

Track record actually suggests 4th year being the year for marked improvement.

Fair enough, I'm sure most of the doubters would have been willing to give this 4th year, but you deny that the skepticism is reasonable. Are you willing to say we have a top 40 defense this 4th year? I don't think that's too much to ask in a coach's 4th year with multiple top 20 recruiting classes against a fairly average schedule (this year is not that tough of a schedule).

 

[Republicane]

And former players are saying it's the scheme. That they know where the offense is going before snap. So what's your point.

And former players who actually played in this system for Coach D say he is a great coach and that the problem has been the talent level. I'd take Solly and recent players opinions over guys like Sapp and PBuck any day.

So in matters like this do you always side with recent players and a coach? Or only when they agree with you?

Because Coker's players loved him as he swerved the bus towards the cliff. And I'm guessing there are a ton of guys who played for Randy Shannon who'll tell you how it wasn't his fault that he floored the bus and drove it over the edge.

If Sapp was on your side you wouldn't be trumpeting the thoughts of one of the best DT's to ever play the game? Yeah somehow I doubt that.

So your argument is that Golden and Co. aren't bad coaches, they're just bad recruiters? Well that sure is reassuring. What a weight off of my mind. Or let me guess this so where you begin feverishly typing about how they're actually great recruiters. (ignoring the fact that your main defense is that there isn't enough talent) So they're good recruiters and above average defensive coaches. So the fact that the defense is a national embarrassment can be attributed to what exactly then? A sheer act of God?

Oh I forgot "the cloud." The cloud which shameless apologists have turned into the Bermuda Triangle for mistakes made by Golden. Terrible DT recruiting flies in, "can't get 'em all. He's gonna coach up Kamalu tho!" sputters out the other side.

Who cares what faction says what and who believes who. I don't need a classically trained French chef to point out to me that I'm eating a ****. I'll be able to figure it out by taste. The product on the field has been ****. Ray Lewis can see it. A blind ****** can too. The only difference is one side sees 13 out of 15 as a worrying indicator and the other side puts their blind faith in the hopes that Golden and Dorito can recreate the 2.

 

[Republicane]

Want to know what's even more ridiculous? It's not like we're enduring regular Saturday rapings for a defensive brain trust that has produced mass quantities of top ten or top five defenses. We aren't waiting for Kirby Smart to implement his system and recruit his guys. That is a roll of the dice I'd be willing to take. A bet whose reward was worth the risk. We're being asked to bend over and take it because these guys could turn Miami into a "top thirty" defense. It's staggering. "Don't worry mopes, it'll all be worth it once we've upgraded from shambolic to average! You'll sure look dumb when UM is putting up San Diego State kinda numbers out there!"

 

[Ibis4life]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

 

[Hurracanes]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

How much is the University paying you?

 

[SA Cane]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

So true

 

[poncho0091]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

I didnt realize going into the 4th year was just a snap of the fingers.

 

[Ibis4life]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

I didnt realize going into the 4th year was just a snap of the fingers.

Who said it is a snap of the fingers? Why is the 4th year important? Because this staffs first class of players will be seniors this year. I think year five will be better because that first class there was a lot of scrambling to put it together and we took a few chances on kids I don't think they would today.

 

[Ibis4life]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

How much is the University paying you?

LOL!!! I do notice most of the haters really don't like facing factual arguments about the last three years and tend to this type of response.

 

[poncho0091]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

How much is the University paying you?

LOL!!! I do notice most of the haters really don't like facing factual arguments about the last three years and tend to this type of response.

I posted a response to all of these supposed factual arguments a few weeks back. I proposed counter questions to all of these factual arguments using facts. The only response I got from any golden supporter (the most ridiculous poster on this board Ibis) that this was too long and he didn't want to read it, aka he didn't have an answer.

 

[Ibis4life]

No, what is really amazing is that people like yourself continue to attempt to downplay the effect that the NCAA investigation had on this program. You talk recruiting but ignore the fact that the good recruiting classes that this staff were bringing in were young and being forced to play early because of the deficiencies in previous recruiting classes. If every freshman at every position was a Stacy Coley then that wouldn't be a problem. But that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I recall in year two of this regime we played at Kansas State, a team loaded with 4th and 5th year seniors, with a team having 16-17 first and second year players in the two deep on both sides of the ball. This is what drives me crazy about our fans. We have had the crap beaten out of us for years. Our talent level had deteriorated to the lowest level I can recall in several decades of following Miami football. What was needed was for a no nonsense coach to come in and clean house, reestablish things like S & C and most importantly discipline. That is not a snap you fingers and make it happen proposition. It takes time to make the kinds of changes this program needed and that is what I see taking place and is why I continue to support this staff. They are doing things the right way and we should begin to reap the benefits this year and next.

How much is the University paying you?

LOL!!! I do notice most of the haters really don't like facing factual arguments about the last three years and tend to this type of response.

I posted a response to all of these supposed factual arguments a few weeks back. I proposed counter questions to all of these factual arguments using facts. The only response I got from any golden supporter (the most ridiculous poster on this board Ibis) that this was too long and he didn't want to read it, aka he didn't have an answer.

Must have missed it. Not surprising though, as I only scan the board briefly and much less frequently than I use to. I am a diehard Cane and am so sick of all the negativity expressed by our "fans" and the silly little juvenile jabs and name calling as well. Just not worth the aggravation.