"Bad Eyes"

[Ironmanfootball]

This should determine HOW you recruit and what you're looking for at certain positions.

But if I'm recruiting LB's or Safeties... I'm not taking kids unless they're well coached and/or have high IQ...

Furthermore, when you're recruiting Safeties you need to consider scheme fit.

I get kids from different HS programs and/or poorly coached optimist teams EVERY YEAR. We have to erase their bad habits, start from square one and coach them up to our standard of doing things.

Seattle Seahawks ran two **** coverages during their legion of boom era

Defensive football is about... alignment, assignment, effort.

Great chit here man.

OSU has 5 Floridians on the entire roster: 3 WR's, 1 S, 1 DE. 4 went to private schools.

I designed my offense where 3 players had to have high FB IQ and everyone else could be aloof. QB, H/TE, and C needed to be super smart. Most of my QB's were SS or 3B on the baseball team and AP students.

One concern re Mario changing DC's out every season is what is the scheme in the end? I get scheme fit and agree 100%- but is Miami a 3-4 team? a 3-3? a 4-2? I can't even tell WTF they're "basing" in anymore.

We knew what Pete C was doing in Seattle and he could draft/sign based on it. If one guy is recruiting and another guy is coordinating and 2-3 other guys are coaching... we've got some issues when it's constant change.

Fundamentals have been **** poor at Miami for a long time on defense. Tracking and tackling. They need to hire someone that can specifically focus on those two qualities now that any swinging pillar can be on the field. Why not hire a tracking and tackling expert?

When we talk "eyes" does Miami do any visual training as part of their S&C?

 

[TaylorWalls]

Or you could teach them what to do until they know what to do.

Another thing that’s easier said than done.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Great chit here man.

OSU has 5 Floridians on the entire roster: 3 WR's, 1 S, 1 DE. 4 went to private schools.

I designed my offense where 3 players had to have high FB IQ and everyone else could be aloof. QB, H/TE, and C needed to be super smart. Most of my QB's were SS or 3B on the baseball team and AP students.

One concern re Mario changing DC's out every season is what is the scheme in the end? I get scheme fit and agree 100%- but is Miami a 3-4 team? a 3-3? a 4-2? I can't even tell WTF they're "basing" in anymore.

We knew what Pete C was doing in Seattle and he could draft/sign based on it. If one guy is recruiting and another guy is coordinating and 2-3 other guys are coaching... we've got some issues when it's constant change.

Fundamentals have been **** poor at Miami for a long time on defense. Tracking and tackling. They need to hire someone that can specifically focus on those two qualities now that any swinging pillar can be on the field. Why not hire a tracking and tackling expert?

When we talk "eyes" does Miami do any visual training as part of their S&C?

It’s more about processing than actually seeing.

 

[Groz73Cane]

Everyone gets caught in guys athletic prowess but sleep on the most important thing knowing assignment. The best teams have the smartest football players. Miami back in the day always had hard workers and high IQ players . Athletic ability is useless if you’re a dumb player . That’s where evaluating comes in.

Football, like a lot of sports is a game of inches. The most important 6 inches being between the players ears.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

It’s more about processing than actually seeing.

In my side of this b'ness it's vision before cognition.

Dietz and Hester have put a ton of time and energy into studying visual aspects of performance.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This is how/why I always felt we have a teaching issue more than a talent issue. Even less talented players can just be in the right position and know their assignment which is the first step in football IMO.

It's a combo of personnel and players. It's not about the "talent" of speed, height, wingspan, etc.

Some players can handle more complexity. Some can't. And when they can't, you have to simplifiy things to the point where they can't overthink.

I'll let @Canesfreak explain why Bill Young was such an effective DC.

 

[marshallrc13]

The coaching in South Florida is indeed dog for the most part. Kids aren't being developed for the next level. Their overall knowledge of scheme is very limited.

However...

This should determine HOW you recruit and what you're looking for at certain positions. For example, playing CB generally is not rocket science, and studies show that athletic traits are a high measuring tool for future success. Same thing for DE's and DT's. You just need plus athletes. They're not intangible positions. So their level of high school coaching may not be as important, they just gotta be "dawgs".

But if I'm recruiting LB's or Safeties... I'm not taking kids unless they're well coached and/or have high IQ... especially at LB. Of all the positions on defense where rankings and measurables are the least accurate barometer for success, it's Linebacker. Recruiting services can't measure intangibles. When recruiting a linebacker, you really need to sit him down and find out about his knowledge of the game.

Furthermore, when you're recruiting Safeties you need to consider scheme fit.
It blows my mind how Miami can watch Zaquan Patterson's high school film and see him playing IN THE BOX ON 90% OF HIS SNAPS then get him to Green Tree and ask him to play up-top. Taking an elite box Safety who's a certified smacker and asking him to do something he's literally NEVER done dating back to little league. Wild! And you wonder why he gets smoked on Saturdays. Square peg vs round hole is what we've been doing with Patterson, Harris and Powell if we're being honest.

I get kids from different HS programs and/or poorly coached optimist teams EVERY YEAR. We have to erase their bad habits, start from square one and coach them up to our standard of doing things. Why...by week 5...do I have 15-18 year olds playing 5+ different coverages and 5+ different fronts... but we can't get 18-22 year olds (with unlimited resources) to lineup properly in week 13?
If there's ever a situation where my kids are making too many errors, I scale it back. You should always have something that you "master" in, and for us that's Cover-3. So in the event that the kids aren't quite executing our more complex material, then we know at least we can lean on our Cover-3 stuff. (to get lined-up fast and reduce mental errors and coverage busts)

With sound technique, good communication and high effort... you can line-up in 4-2-5 Cover-3 all **** game and field a competent defense. (Seattle Seahawks ran two **** coverages during their legion of boom era)

Defensive football is about... alignment, assignment, effort.
Looking like a Chinese fire drill in week 10+ tells me that the kids still don't know WTF they're doing.

Great post my friend!

 

[TaylorWalls]

In my side of this b'ness it's vision before cognition.

Dietz and Hester have put a ton of time and energy into studying visual aspects of performance.

That might be your side of it, but it doesn't mean it's everyone's issue. We deal with visual aspects in baseball too, but for some kids it's the processing part that they never get.

 

[KingB02]

That's a big part of it. Local kids for most part don't get great coaching and then we don't help matters having clowns like Guidry.

Stop it! There are plenty of great coaches and teachers in South Florida. Players go elsewhere and ball out! We just don’t teach that well here at Miami. Highly rated guys come here and regress. BTW, most of the defense is NOT local kids!! So there goes that argument. If anything, dumb the playbook down for the guys you have if you need to. Don’t be Al Folden and try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Defenses don’t have to be extremely complex to work. Guidry defenses usually take a step forward in year 2 cause he installs a munch of new stuff.. well he just overcomplicated the system with information overload. So I agree with the Guidry part. But not the south Florida kids are not well coached part. That’s an insult to all these coaches in the area! They go up to TX, CA, and GA and usually whip on their best teams! lol. And it is not because they have an overwhelming advantage in talent. They often are overmatched physically, but make up for it in speed, skill, and awareness. They are ALWAYS well prepared and well coached.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Stop it! There are plenty of great coaches and teachers in South Florida. Players go elsewhere and ball out! We just don’t teach that well here at Miami. Highly rated guys come here and regress. BTW, most of the defense is NOT local kids!! So there goes that argument. If anything, dumb the playbook down for the guys you have if you need to. Don’t be Al Folden and try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Defenses don’t have to be extremely complex to work. Guidry defenses usually take a step forward in year 2 cause he installs a munch of new stuff.. well he just overcomplicated the system with information overload. So I agree with the Guidry part. But not the south Florida kids are not well coached part. That’s an insult to all these coaches in the area! They go up to TX, CA, and GA and usually whip on their best teams! lol. And it is not because they have an overwhelming advantage in talent. They often are overmatched physically, but make up for it in speed, skill, and awareness. They are ALWAYS well prepared and well coached.

Coaches around the state say the exact opposite. You have to quit leaning on the top two or three teams in south Florida. There are dozens and dozens of football teams and most of them play street ball.

 

[hoops156]

same **** as the “freelancing” excuse we always heard from Dorito

its the excuse used every time to defend a ****** coach.

 

[hoops156]

Stop it! There are plenty of great coaches and teachers in South Florida. Players go elsewhere and ball out! We just don’t teach that well here at Miami. Highly rated guys come here and regress. BTW, most of the defense is NOT local kids!! So there goes that argument. If anything, dumb the playbook down for the guys you have if you need to. Don’t be Al Folden and try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Defenses don’t have to be extremely complex to work. Guidry defenses usually take a step forward in year 2 cause he installs a munch of new stuff.. well he just overcomplicated the system with information overload. So I agree with the Guidry part. But not the south Florida kids are not well coached part. That’s an insult to all these coaches in the area! They go up to TX, CA, and GA and usually whip on their best teams! lol. And it is not because they have an overwhelming advantage in talent. They often are overmatched physically, but make up for it in speed, skill, and awareness. They are ALWAYS well prepared and well coached.

jeremiah smith is an insanely polished receiver. he seems to have been coached up.

Jojo in the bowl game looked incredibly smooth. both have been developed well in HS and got coached up.

 

[OptimusCreampie]

South Florida football players are incredibly talented and possess unmatched athletic ability. However, I believe some—not all—might lack the same level of assignment/discipline compared to players from other regions. This isn’t a knock on their football IQ or athleticism; when a few South Florida players are mixed in with talent from other areas, they excel. But when you look at the overall base and how SFLA is our base, there seems to be a difference. South Florida produces absolute dawgs on the field, and it’s hands down the best football region in the world. That said, it’s been mentioned even on this board that coaching in South Florida doesn’t always measure up to the standards seen in places like Texas, Georgia, and California. It’s strictly football discipline and not an athletic issue as I already know South Florida has the most NFL players than other states.

That’s the only common denominator. The school President has changed, the AD has changed, HCs have changed, Coordinators have changed. What hasn’t changed? Our base of where 70-80% of our players come from.

It doesn’t help when hs coaches down here are paid essentially as volunteers but have to be full time employees to the school or work there a certain amount of hours to be eligible of being a hc

could be wrong I think assistant hs coaches don’t have to be fully employed but still need to overhaul that archaic hs coaching system.

 

[IbzRlz]

This board is full of irony lol. Corey Flagg was bashed incessantly because of a lack of athletic ability but had a high football IQ. Meanwhile Kiko is slow AF but that is okay. We could have used some of Flagg's IQ on this year's defense

 

[KingB02]

Coaches around the state say the exact opposite. You have to quit leaning on the top two or three teams in south Florida. There are dozens and dozens of football teams and most of them play street ball.

So coaches around the state are saying how bad they themselves are at coaching in the state of FL? . Make that make sense.. if you are saying that coaches outside of south Florida say this, why do SF teams win state in nearly every classification each year?! lol

 

[JG14]

Santucci and Key ran a train on our staff

@HurricanePhilly has never missed coaching more than after reading this

 

[TaylorWalls]

So coaches around the state are saying how bad they themselves are at coaching in the state of FL? . Make that make sense.. if you are saying that coaches outside of south Florida say this, why do SF teams win state in nearly every classification each year?! lol

Again, you're talking about the top few teams out of dozens and dozens of high schools.

What did you mean by that first sentence? Coaches around Florida say they would win every game 84-0 if they had the raw talent in south Florida. But the raw talent in south Florida goes uncoached.

 

[Bunker Mentality]

The difference in 7-9 wins and 11-13 wins is having the SFla studs like WR Smith, pulling 2 to 3 of the top 4 DBs and sprinkling in elite players from other regions.

Jeremiah Smith on our team makes the difference between going 11-1 or 12-0 vs 10-2 and missing the ACCCG and CFP. Adding the DBs gives us the opportunity to make the CFP and advance out of the 1st round and possibly into the semifinals.

SFLA talent isn’t what’s holding us back - not getting the cream of the crop is what’s holding us back.

they only way to correct this problem is with a competitive product and sustained results. For now that requires serious investment at all levels of the program, from coaching & staff to recruiting & facilities.

We have talented QBs in the pipeline but need some bridge investment to get there.

 

[Coach Macho]

Spot on!! Good hearing it from someone who actually knows these kids better than a lot of us on this board.

I also believe this is why we have had a few kids go on to the NFL and do better there than they did here at the collegiate level. We’re getting flawed but very talented kids and are not doing well at all as a program of reprogramming/teaching them.

@Coach Macho do you also feel that the kids you coach need a firmer hand on discipline/accountability? Because I feel like that’s another thing we don’t do well as a program that I thought would be different under Mario.

See people like to duplicate Saban but Saban wasn’t allowing the same mistakes over and over from upper class men without taking a seat on the bench. Listen to his former players talk about him.

I demoted a 3-star D1 commit this season because he wasn't watching film, was routinely late to practice and would talk during teaching sessions.
The 5'8" kid who was behind him started the last 7 games of the season.
Shoot, I tried to demote Armondo Blount and Antione Jackson when I was at Dillard. They wouldn't let me.

Discipline, accountability, film study... none negotiables. I'll put a less talented kid out there that cares, studies, gives effort and knows WTF he's doing.

This standard may frustrate a kid or two (and it did) but it garners respect from the rest of your team. The kids see you bench a star, or chew him out, they see that there's no favoritism and that nobody is above reprimand or accountability.

That's how you get full "buy in".

We lost roughly half of our defensive roster between spring and week 6.
Addition by subtraction.

This is why I'm kinda falling out of love with college football, because of the amount of leeway we're giving kids today. It becomes harder to instill this type of discipline and accountability when kids are getting paid big money and/or they can just hit the portal if they're not starting.

They think they hold the leverage when they're in high school. Imagine in college when they're getting paid 6 figures. Miami has true freshman that are already frustrated and thinking about hitting the portal.
This generation is cooked.

 

[L A M P]

Jaden Harris had bad everything. Lol