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DMoney said:
A guy who is currently coaching in the SEC told me, "It's not just about getting the right kids on the bus. It's about getting them in the right seats on the bus."

That quote makes me think of Mark-Antony Richards, Josh Sanguinetti and Kenny McIntosh. I don't know where they'll sit on the bus. But I know they can play.

These are legitimately gifted athletes.

Mark-Antony Richards


Joshua Sanguinetti


Kenny McIntosh
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Can not agree with you more. These young men make up the nucleus of a Great Miami Hurricanes Football team. These are the young hungry ballers like DeeJay. Just get them to camp & on nutrition stat. Get these baby Canes inked in the early loop. Low hanging fruit & they are going to love college.

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DMoney said:
I think he can be very successful as a back, and a more talented Mike James would be my exact comparison.

But it’s hard to watch the second and last clips on that HL and not dream about what he could do on defense. He has plenty of defensive experience throughout his varsity career so it’s not a pure projection.

When I watch the NFL Draft, I am struck by how many of the first rounders switched positions. That’s how you get those elite positional traits.
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I'm not saying you're wrong. But two plays on a HL video and he could be better at LB? You could be right I have no idea. Now if he wants to get paid and if he's that good LB is the way to go for sure.
 
“It really just makes you think,” Richards said. “Sometimes I think you just have to stick to your guns and kind of go with the position you first started off. My dream is to play running back in the NFL and that’s something I want to chase, but I’m keeping my options open on defense because I feel like I have a high ceiling there, too.”

https://www.diehards.com/miami/miam...ny-richards-brother-ahmmon-richards-both-ways
 
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TotesMagotes said:
“It really just makes you think,” Richards said. “Sometimes I think you just have to stick to your guns and kind of go with the position you first started off. My dream is to play running back in the NFL and that’s something I want to chase, but I’m keeping my options open on defense because I feel like I have a high ceiling there, too.”

https://www.diehards.com/miami/miam...ny-richards-brother-ahmmon-richards-both-ways
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Is he at all aware as to the market viability for NFL RBs versus other positions?
 
gcane44 said:
Is he at all aware as to the market viability for NFL RBs versus other positions?
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Just the 2018 Draft alone between rounds 1-3, 8 RB's went and 18 DB's went. Seems like a no brainer to me. Not to mention the different career lengths between the 2 positions.
 
BoxingRobes said:
https://3sigmaathlete.com/

You're welcome.
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It’s an interesting site.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/running-back/

Had Walton as the 77th rated back in the class based on their calculation. Also had Ronald jones 149th and Sony Michel 150th.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/off-los-linebacker/

Their highest rated outside linebacker was undrafted Matthew Thomas.

So... it’s a measure. It isn’t irrefutable and the site doesn’t demonstrate any correlation between their ratings and anything else, namely that being the most athletic person by some composite calculation at your position means you have a higher likelihood of success.

But it is a fun site to read through ...
 
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TotesMagotes said:
“It really just makes you think,” Richards said. “Sometimes I think you just have to stick to your guns and kind of go with the position you first started off. My dream is to play running back in the NFL and that’s something I want to chase, but I’m keeping my options open on defense because I feel like I have a high ceiling there, too.”

https://www.diehards.com/miami/miam...ny-richards-brother-ahmmon-richards-both-ways
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Sounds like he’s back open to playing defense again. While he’s a really good offensive player he has an even higher upside on defense which is pretty crazy
 
ben said:
It’s an interesting site.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/running-back/

Had Walton as the 77th rated back in the class based on their calculation. Also had Ronald jones 149th and Sony Michel 150th.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/off-los-linebacker/

Their highest rated outside linebacker was undrafted Matthew Thomas.

So... it’s a measure. It isn’t irrefutable and the site doesn’t demonstrate any correlation between their ratings and anything else, namely that being the most athletic person by some composite calculation at your position means you have a higher likelihood of success.

But it is a fun site to read through ...
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I found here where they explain the correlation between athleticism and NFL production.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/02/1...ationship-between-athleticism-and-production/

There are of course going to be exceptions. Wouldn't shock me if guys like Walton and Michel for instance end up being great. But their lack of athleticism should factor into anyone's projection for them as pros.

Very interesting site. Thanks to who shared it.
 
TotesMagotes said:
I found here where they explain the correlation between athleticism and NFL production.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/02/1...ationship-between-athleticism-and-production/

There are of course going to be exceptions. Wouldn't shock me if guys like Walton and Michel for instance end up being great. But their lack of athleticism should factor into anyone's projection for them as pros.

Very interesting site. Thanks to who shared it.
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Its not giving you rankings...its giving you athletic testing.
ben said:
It’s an interesting site.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/running-back/

Had Walton as the 77th rated back in the class based on their calculation. Also had Ronald jones 149th and Sony Michel 150th.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/off-los-linebacker/

Their highest rated outside linebacker was undrafted Matthew Thomas.

So... it’s a measure. It isn’t irrefutable and the site doesn’t demonstrate any correlation between their ratings and anything else, namely that being the most athletic person by some composite calculation at your position means you have a higher likelihood of success.

But it is a fun site to read through ...
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Its SPARQ. A pretty universally used measure of athleticism. Not sure how you'd even attempt to refute it.

Matthew Thomas is not this guys #1 LB...but he is the most athletic LB in the class. It has nothing to do with his ability to play. Ronald Jones and Sony Michel rank so low because they didn't finish their athletic testing throughout the process. lol
 
TotesMagotes said:
I found here where they explain the correlation between athleticism and NFL production.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/02/1...ationship-between-athleticism-and-production/

There are of course going to be exceptions. Wouldn't shock me if guys like Walton and Michel for instance end up being great. But their lack of athleticism should factor into anyone's projection for them as pros.

Very interesting site. Thanks to who shared it.
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South Florida Running Backs have - of recent vintage - tested like ****. RB athleticism doesn't have a correlation to success.
 
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TotesMagotes said:
Doesn't? Of course it does.

The site you referenced says as much does it not? Perhaps I'm not reading it correctly.

But there are also metrics like speed score that correlates athleticism with NFL production at the RB position.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/speed-score-2017
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SPARQ scores do not, at least not RBs. Speed score simply focus on a players 40 time by their mass. SPARQ is their athletic testing in total. 40 time, splits, shuttle, cone, etc.

I think canesinsight needs to do some research on athletic testing and its benefits and measures as well as the methodology of some of the more prominent proponents of it.

Traits, for RBs are more important and more of an indicator of success. Also, having some requisite mass is important (example, being over 195lbs - which eliminates players from your board like Justin Jackson and Akrum Wadley regardless of how awesome they were in college). Also, running back production metrics give a better idea of potential RB success than say athletic testing.

As opposed to say...3cone time for an EDGE giving a player a higher correlation to success as pass rushers. Its about bend and its an accurate measure of bend. Its not the ONLY thing, but there is a high correlation to success.
 
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TotesMagotes said:
Fair enough.

I do appreciate this type of conversation/analysis and agree the board needs more of it.
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Its not a be all and end all. Its a piece of the pie. A discussion point. However, its something we as Miami fans should look harder at.

Because, most of us, if we were to make a point that say...WE ARE NOT ATHLETIC...most people would scoff at the idea...because we are Miami, it sounds ridiculous. But our athletic testing by our seniors and early declarations have been absolutely horrendous lately. Its not even coincidence...its become a trend. This, coupled losing the arms race that is OL/DL recruiting, its two of the primary reasons other teams have passed us up.

Throw development and other aspects we constantly complain about, but lacking top athletes and top line players are my top two personnel issues.
 
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