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Arrest made in Carson Beck auto theft case

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TheOriginalCane said:
EXACTLY as I said.

A "DERANGED" individual who was not put into a mental health facility. Because that stuff isn't funded at the necessary level.

But right on time, the NY Post will blame cash-bail. As always.

The fact of the matter is that the mentally ill should not be incarcerated indefinitely in REGULAR jails (where they get insufficient treatment for mental illnesses), they should be held and treated in mental health facilities.

Just be honest, the guy in that article is not some criminal mastermind. He is mentally ill. You know it, but you're going to act like he is the criminal equivalent of gang members and/or drug dealers.

He's mentally ill. Being mentally ill, in and of itself, is not a criminal offense. And, yes, the mentally ill do sometimes commit crimes. It's sad, and yet nobody seems to address the real problem.

What do you think would actually happen to this guy if they kept him in Rikers for a few years? Seriously? Be honest and answer the question, and don't go on a tangent about how bad crime is in NYC.
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It was the first story I saw today, after I quoted you earlier.

Honestly, he'd fit right in on Rikers. There are thousands of mentally ill criminals locked up in NYC, and hundreds of thousands across America.

You can be a mentally ill and a criminal. Why that man isn't locked up in some state hospital? Money. I agree with that. His mental illness doesn't give him a right to slash people, light fires, and terrorize innocent people, though.

Truth is there will be no shortage of news articles that highlight these issues. It's a very, very common thing up here. Surprised it's even news anymore.
 

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passitback said:
It was the first story I saw today, after I quoted you earlier.

Honestly, he'd fit right in on Rikers. There are thousands of mentally ill criminals locked up in NYC, and hundreds of thousands across America.

You can be a mentally ill and a criminal. Why that man isn't locked up in some state hospital? Money. I agree with that. His mental illness doesn't give him a right to slash people, light fires, and terrorize innocent people, though.

Truth is there will be no shortage of news articles that highlight these issues. It's a very, very common thing up here. Surprised it's even news anymore.
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No matter how you try to twist my words, I'm still not saying what you claim people are saying.

Nobody said he had a "right" to commit crimes. But the fact is, a prison does not treat mental illness.

If you think that the "numbers" of mentally ill people who are incarcerated is somehow "good" and "effective" in dealing with the problem, that is your choice.

Again, we are paying MORE MONEY in insurance and other related costs associated with crimes because we WON'T PAY the money to deal with the problem properly. So we push the money around, while not solving any problems. Brilliant.
 
Fascinating thread that turned into Law & Order with alternating State Farm, Geico, Progressive and Allstate commericals..

Snl Season 47 GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
grover said:
First time I’ve truly disagreed with you. Context is everything. And I don’t know all the context here. But a young guy who steals a Lambo should not go to jail for life based on that action alone. That’s something Singapore would do not the US. And I think it goes down to our founding values which are built on Judeo-Christian philanthropy and Humanism. We believe in redemption and reformation.
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In many parts of the world there would be very little, if any jail time. Cut off the thief’s right hand and send him home as a reformed citizen.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
No matter how you try to twist my words, I'm still not saying what you claim people are saying.

Nobody said he had a "right" to commit crimes. But the fact is, a prison does not treat mental illness.

If you think that the "numbers" of mentally ill people who are incarcerated is somehow "good" and "effective" in dealing with the problem, that is your choice.

Again, we are paying MORE MONEY in insurance and other related costs associated with crimes because we WON'T PAY the money to deal with the problem properly. So we push the money around, while not solving any problems. Brilliant.
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When criminals, sane or not, receive no consequences for their actions, they will continue to commit crimes. Many will grow up to think they can do whatever they want, that it is their "right" to commit crimes. Who is going to stop them? A cop? A DA? A judge?

I never said the numbers of mentally ill people who are incarcerated is good or effective. It is reality, a harsh reality.
 
ssvir said:
You really don't understand that you pay higher insurance premiums for everything (home, auto, health) b/c of fraud and theft? #Wow
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LOL, what a foolish idea. #wow

I can't prevent a thief from thieving. This is why I pay for insurance. Nor can I prevent a natural disaster or "accident." This is also why I pay taxes for police, and hard earned money for car/home insurance. If my car is stolen, I am calling the cops and insurance company, because that is what you do in those situations. It's the expectation. It is the norm. It is no big deal.

Know what else is the expectation? Locking criminals up for the crimes they commit. Crazy concept.

Some municipalities prosecute criminals, some don't. While it may be socioeconomically driven in Atlanta or TOC's areas, it is NOT the reason why felons are let loose in NYC.
 
passitback said:
LOL, what a foolish idea. #wow

I can't prevent a thief from thieving. This is why I pay for insurance. Nor can I prevent a natural disaster or "accident." This is also why I pay taxes for police, and hard earned money for car/home insurance. If my car is stolen, I am calling the cops and insurance company, because that is what you do in those situations. It's the expectation. It is the norm. It is no big deal.

Know what else is the expectation? Locking criminals up for the crimes they commit. Crazy concept.

Some municipalities prosecute criminals, some don't. While it may be socioeconomically driven in Atlanta or TOC's areas, it is NOT the reason why felons are let loose in NYC.
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No idea what tangent you went off on. The original point is auto theft isn't "no big deal". One of the reasons your car insurance is hundreds/thousands more every year than it could be is b/c of theft and insurance scams. We all pay more b/c other people are scumbags.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
EXACTLY as I said.

A "DERANGED" individual who was not put into a mental health facility. Because that stuff isn't funded at the necessary level.

But right on time, the NY Post will blame cash-bail. As always.

The fact of the matter is that the mentally ill should not be incarcerated indefinitely in REGULAR jails (where they get insufficient treatment for mental illnesses), they should be held and treated in mental health facilities.

Just be honest, the guy in that article is not some criminal mastermind. He is mentally ill. You know it, but you're going to act like he is the criminal equivalent of gang members and/or drug dealers.

He's mentally ill. Being mentally ill, in and of itself, is not a criminal offense. And, yes, the mentally ill do sometimes commit crimes. It's sad, and yet nobody seems to address the real problem.

What do you think would actually happen to this guy if they kept him in Rikers for a few years? Seriously? Be honest and answer the question, and don't go on a tangent about how bad crime is in NYC.
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This is exactly right. Bring back the loony bins and funny farms.
 
ssvir said:
No idea what tangent you went off on. The original point is auto theft isn't "no big deal". One of the reasons your car insurance is hundreds/thousands more every year than it could be is b/c of theft and insurance scams. We all pay more b/c other people are scumbags.
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It's no big deal in the sense that the man was not harmed and all he had to do was make a police report and notify insurance. Not sure why this is so difficult for some to comprehend.

Of course we pay for scumbags.

I'm not a fan of it. I don't like it. I don't want to pay more for insurance, grocery items, etc. While we will pay to prosecute and incarcerate thieves (and criminals as a whole), it is a better solution than springing them free with little to no bail - only for them to repeat the behavior (i.e. recidivism).

The harsh reality is we will continue to pay for criminals. One reason is because crimes are not prosecuted, and criminals are not facing strong enough consequences.
 
passitback said:
Yes. Lock them up if they can't live amongst innocent and industrious people without breaking the law - sane or not.
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The loonies need to be separated from the criminals. If you are nuts, then you go to a ward. If you choose to commit a crime, then you get tried and go to prison. The problem is we, as a society, have made it easy for cops to police vices instead of crime. You want to snort coke? Great, do it all day long just stay in your house and don't affect society. Legalize all vices, I say. Free up the cops to start testing all the rape kits and get to real police work.
 
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Calinative said:
Depends on what modern day car you're talking about. Tesla is the most modern day vehicle and basically fully unstealable except by literally towing it away, and even if you did it's fully trackable and you can stop the vehicle from your phone.

But also sounds like they literally just opened the car hit the garage door opener then got in the house and actually got the keys. Wouldn't be surprised if there was someone who ripped them off where the keys would be or something...
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my Impala with On Star is also equipped where it can be tracked and turned off with a simple phone call.Not sure why all cars don't have this but it sure would make things a lot harder to steal if you could have the car turned off with a pinned area for the cops to go get it and hopefully make an arrest.
 
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