Are you prepared for the rebuild to take 5 years?

[CanesAreAble]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

 

[nystateofmind]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

 

[CanesAreAble]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

Maybe so, but Golden isn't going anywhere any time soon.

 

[sebastian91]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

That's pure speculation. You may be right, you may be wrong. Only time will tell.

I said when Randy was fired, and the depths of his roster mismanagement became clear, that we were probably looking at another Butch-type rebuild. We weren't on probation, but we may as well have been. I'm not sure any NCAA punishment could've been much worse than what Randy did to the roster. His last two classes, plus the one AG had to throw together in a few weeks after he was hired...that's what we're seeing the results of right now (and last year). Throw in the NCAA mess after AG was hired, and it removed all doubt for me that this would be at least a Butch-type rebuild. So, yes, I am prepared for it, because that's what I expected all along.

Edit: I'll also add that the premature departures of a lot of the depth on defense (Paul, Finnie, GT) has really hurt. To me, the most valid criticism of AG is the failures at recruiting DTs, which is why we see the JUCOs and Renfrows being brought in. I also believe that he misjudged how good the offense would be this year. I don't believe we would've seen as many of the schematic changes on defense this year if he'd known that Morris and the offense would turn the ball over and struggle to sustain drives.

 

[nystateofmind]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

Maybe so, but Golden isn't going anywhere any time soon.

If we finish 8-5 and have another 7-6 year next year, he's in big trouble.

 

[CanesAreAble]

If we finish 8-5 and have another 7-6 year next year, he's in big trouble.

If he goes 7-6 next year, then the team quit on him, because the schedule isn't difficult.

I think 9-4 or 10-3 is more likely, and that won't get him fired.

 

[nystateofmind]

If we finish 8-5 and have another 7-6 year next year, he's in big trouble.

If he goes 7-6 next year, then the team quit on him, because the schedule isn't difficult.

I think 9-4 or 10-3 is more likely, and that won't get him fired.

But the schedule this year isn't difficult and look what's happened.

 

[LuCane]

I only have questions.

In year 5, with guys like Crawford, Burns, Bush and Jenkins at DB (presuming Tracy leaves, as is the consistent buzz), our LBs having grown up in Golden's system, and guys like Mccord, AQM as upperclassmen…

Will we have enough talent then?
Will we have a different philosophy - offensively and defensively - because we have "matured talent?"
Will we still play defense the same way?
Will our players, together, play beyond their individual talent levels or below?
Will you adjust based on difficulty of schedule for any given year?
Will we be able to beat the "more talented" opponent?

What indicators, negative or positive, do you currently have for any of the answers to the questions above?

This isn't directed at you, Able. Those aren't rhetorical questions, either. Would sincerely like to see what people answer to those questions.

 

[Dandycane]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

That's pure speculation. You may be right, you may be wrong. Only time will tell.

I said when Randy was fired, and the depths of his roster mismanagement became clear, that we were probably looking at another Butch-type rebuild. We weren't on probation, but we may as well have been. I'm not sure any NCAA punishment could've been much worse than what Randy did to the roster. His last two classes, plus the one AG had to throw together in a few weeks after he was hired...that's what we're seeing the results of right now (and last year). Throw in the NCAA mess after AG was hired, and it removed all doubt for me that this would be at least a Butch-type rebuild. So, yes, I am prepared for it, because that's what I expected all along.

The chest thumpers still reign at the U. They still cling to the 30 for 30 legend...jesus chirst.....

The gig was up long before Golden got here. Roster ***** ups, recruiting mismanagement and the horribly timed NCAA nonsense have destroyed any quick fix.

We ain't back till we get serious recruiting classes in here. We're 2 serious, deep recruiting classes short of having difference makers.

Keep whining though....it's entertaining.

 

[CanesAreAble]

If we finish 8-5 and have another 7-6 year next year, he's in big trouble.

If he goes 7-6 next year, then the team quit on him, because the schedule isn't difficult.

I think 9-4 or 10-3 is more likely, and that won't get him fired.

But the schedule this year isn't difficult and look what's happened.

And yet, 7-6 isn't a likely finish. Plus we'll have more talent everywhere next year.

 

[nystateofmind]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

That's pure speculation. You may be right, you may be wrong. Only time will tell.

I said when Randy was fired, and the depths of his roster mismanagement became clear, that we were probably looking at another Butch-type rebuild. We weren't on probation, but we may as well have been. I'm not sure any NCAA punishment could've been much worse than what Randy did to the roster. His last two classes, plus the one AG had to throw together in a few weeks after he was hired...that's what we're seeing the results of right now (and last year). Throw in the NCAA mess after AG was hired, and it removed all doubt for me that this would be at least a Butch-type rebuild. So, yes, I am prepared for it, because that's what I expected all along.

The chest thumpers still reign at the U. They still cling to the 30 for 30 legend...jesus chirst.....

The gig was up long before Golden got here. Roster ***** ups, recruiting mismanagement and the horribly timed NCAA nonsense have destroyed any quick fix.

We ain't back till we get serious recruiting classes in here. We're 2 serious, deep recruiting classes short of having difference makers.

Keep whining though....it's entertaining.

Quite a rep you have, Dandycane.

 

[DeadPoets]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

Sigh. 30 scholarships revoked man. Butch had a ridiculous task of bringing us back and he did it in 5-6 years. Still amazing what he did for this University.
We should be sending him thankyou cards and dufflebags for the nice early 00s run we had.

 

[LuCane]

No, what stares us in the face is a fraud of a coach who can recruit and smooth talk but can't actually win football games.

We will never compete for a NC with Golden.

That's pure speculation. You may be right, you may be wrong. Only time will tell.

I said when Randy was fired, and the depths of his roster mismanagement became clear, that we were probably looking at another Butch-type rebuild. We weren't on probation, but we may as well have been. I'm not sure any NCAA punishment could've been much worse than what Randy did to the roster. His last two classes, plus the one AG had to throw together in a few weeks after he was hired...that's what we're seeing the results of right now (and last year). Throw in the NCAA mess after AG was hired, and it removed all doubt for me that this would be at least a Butch-type rebuild. So, yes, I am prepared for it, because that's what I expected all along.

Edit: I'll also add that the premature departures of a lot of the depth on defense (Paul, Finnie, GT) has really hurt. To me, the most valid criticism of AG is the failures at recruiting DTs, which is why we see the JUCOs and Renfrows being brought in. I also believe that he misjudged how good the offense would be this year. I don't believe we would've seen as many of the schematic changes on defense this year if he'd known that Morris and the offense would turn the ball over and struggle to sustain drives.

What schematic changes do you see from last year to this year?

 

[sebastian91]

I only have questions.

In year 5, with guys like Crawford, Burns, Bush and Jenkins at DB (presuming Tracy leaves, as is the consistent buzz), our LBs having grown up in Golden's system, and guys like Mccord, AQM as upperclassmen…

Will we have enough talent then?
Will we have a different philosophy - offensively and defensively - because we have "matured talent?"
Will we still play defense the same way?
Will our players, together, play beyond their individual talent levels or below?
Will you adjust based on difficulty of schedule for any given year?
Will we be able to beat the "more talented" opponent?

What indicators, negative or positive, do you currently have for any of the answers to the questions above?

This isn't directed at you, Able. Those aren't rhetorical questions, either. Would sincerely like to see what people answer to those questions.

Ask me in year 5. I don't have a crystal ball.

 

[sebastian91]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

Sigh. 30 scholarships revoked man. Butch had a ridiculous task of bringing us back and he did it in 5-6 years. Still amazing what he did for this University.
We should be sending him thankyou cards and dufflebags for the nice early 00s run we had.

"National Champs to National Chumps - Thanks Butch" (or something like that). That's our short-sighted fanbase for you.

 

[LuCane]

I only have questions.

In year 5, with guys like Crawford, Burns, Bush and Jenkins at DB (presuming Tracy leaves, as is the consistent buzz), our LBs having grown up in Golden's system, and guys like Mccord, AQM as upperclassmen…

Will we have enough talent then?
Will we have a different philosophy - offensively and defensively - because we have "matured talent?"
Will we still play defense the same way?
Will our players, together, play beyond their individual talent levels or below?
Will you adjust based on difficulty of schedule for any given year?
Will we be able to beat the "more talented" opponent?

What indicators, negative or positive, do you currently have for any of the answers to the questions above?

This isn't directed at you, Able. Those aren't rhetorical questions, either. Would sincerely like to see what people answer to those questions.

Ask me in year 5. I don't have a crystal ball.

Most people are not expecting us to be at championship level or even really battling against those types right now. That much was obvious before the season when they needed to go out and get Renfro to play their style of Nose. However, are you really saying that anything that happens in the meanwhile is not even acknowledged as a data point? Not even the positive stuff?

 

[Dandycane]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

Sigh. 30 scholarships revoked man. Butch had a ridiculous task of bringing us back and he did it in 5-6 years. Still amazing what he did for this University.
We should be sending him thankyou cards and dufflebags for the nice early 00s run we had.

Written by a guy who would of run Butch out of town by year 3. No lie.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Lu's patience really boggles my mind.

 

[DeadPoets]

Perhaps an elite coach like Saban would've had this thing rolling in year 2 or 3, but this is the hand we were dealt. It took Butch 6 years. I'm not comparing Golden or his situation to Butch (although there are some parallels). I'm just saying that regardless of the confluence of circumstances, it took 6 years.

I don't think we're contenders next year (unless Olsen wins the job and balls out like Johnny Football or something), but I think we'll be at that level in 2015 and definitely 2016 if Golden continues to recruit well.

I think the offense is going to thrive. There's just too much talent coming in, including probably the best O-line haul in the country. The wealth of playmakers on offense alone will keep the program from bottoming out.

Whether or not you find that acceptable, are you emotionally prepared for it? Because that's what's staring us in the face.

Sigh. 30 scholarships revoked man. Butch had a ridiculous task of bringing us back and he did it in 5-6 years. Still amazing what he did for this University.
We should be sending him thankyou cards and dufflebags for the nice early 00s run we had.

"National Champs to National Chumps - Thanks Butch" (or something like that). That's our short-sighted fanbase for you.

Wasn't that Uncle Luke? Or was that the banner they flew over the OB?

 

[sebastian91]

I only have questions.

In year 5, with guys like Crawford, Burns, Bush and Jenkins at DB (presuming Tracy leaves, as is the consistent buzz), our LBs having grown up in Golden's system, and guys like Mccord, AQM as upperclassmen…

Will we have enough talent then?
Will we have a different philosophy - offensively and defensively - because we have "matured talent?"
Will we still play defense the same way?
Will our players, together, play beyond their individual talent levels or below?
Will you adjust based on difficulty of schedule for any given year?
Will we be able to beat the "more talented" opponent?

What indicators, negative or positive, do you currently have for any of the answers to the questions above?

This isn't directed at you, Able. Those aren't rhetorical questions, either. Would sincerely like to see what people answer to those questions.

Ask me in year 5. I don't have a crystal ball.

Most people are not expecting us to be at championship level or even really battling against those types right now. That much was obvious before the season when they needed to go out and get Renfro to play their style of Nose. However, are you really saying that anything that happens in the meanwhile is not even acknowledged as a data point? Not even the positive stuff?

You can use whatever you want ('indicators') to formulate your own projections, but the only 'data points' that can be used to answer your questions are the actual data points from year 5.