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90scane said:
Which point is flawed?

The kid was an App State commit at 6'5 240lbs. It is going to take him 2-3 years to get to playing weight.

Counters- Let's see if Manny ever signs more than 28 kids! We have taken 17 kids and have Hedley as the 18th. We have 27-28 spots based on rolling numbers from 2011 or 2012. Every GT, walk-on (under 3rd year), transfer, signee uses a counter. We get 25 counters a year plus the handful that "roll" from the prior class IF we sign EEs. I'm actually assuming we have 3 EEs which we won't know until Jan 11.
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It’s flawed because very few if any programs sign 28 kids ready to play in two years.
 
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90scane said:
Which point is flawed?

The kid was an App State commit at 6'5 240lbs. It is going to take him 2-3 years to get to playing weight.

Counters- Let's see if Manny ever signs more than 28 kids! We have taken 17 kids and have Hedley as the 18th. We have 27-28 spots based on rolling numbers from 2011 or 2012. Every GT, walk-on (under 3rd year), transfer, signee uses a counter. We get 25 counters a year plus the handful that "roll" from the prior class IF we sign EEs. I'm actually assuming we have 3 EEs which we won't know until Jan 11.
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We're going to be lucky to maximize our initial counters this year. We can afford to bring on a project. The vast majority of all OL recruits are projects anyway.
 
Go Canes!! said:
It’s flawed because very few if any programs sign 28 kids ready to play in two years.
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Got it, you telling me Zion will be a starter for Miami in 3 years. I don't see it. We need kids that can at least help out on scout and 2nd team. I'm not even sure if Zion can do that as an OL. Zion may be able to help as a heavy TE in goal line but I'd rather have Jordan or an OT that is 290-300lbs as a 6th OL.
 
Canes1968 said:
We're going to be lucky to maximize our initial counters this year. We can afford to bring on a project. The vast majority of all OL recruits are projects anyway.
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I'm 100% behind landing projects once we get to 85. Same goes for Grad Transfers. The issue with both is they are not nearly as likely to be on campus in 2-3 years AND playing. If we are going to sign up projects, lets take kids that grade out higher and are bigger.

You guys are protecting a kid that signed. I'm saying the kid shouldn't have signed. If Searles was doing his job better, we wouldn't have signed the kid is all I'm saying. He was a Plan C/D type and we didn't land A/B and likely C before having to call this kid. Plan A/B/C are all far more likely to be getting snaps over Zion at Miami.
 
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Well we need Oline and we still havent even reached 85 schollys on this roooster so I dont care if we take him...

Shirt him and see where he's at in two year if nothing you can let him know his scholly wont be renewed
 
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dwreck27 said:
Well we need Oline and we still havent even reached 85 schollys on this roooster so I dont care if we take him...

Shirt him and see where he's at in two year if nothing you can let him know his scholly wont be renewed
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You can't just sign every kid until you reach 85. There are 25 counters per class. Transfers, walk-ons under 3rd year, Grad Transfers all count against the 25. We have 27-28 counters (3 for '18 and 25 for '19). We've used 17 with Hedley being the 18th. Thus we can sign 9-10 more kids. With Joe, Homer, Boulware, Cager gone, we would only get to 85 with 28 kids signed. If we sign 28 in '19 then we can only sign 25 in '20. Those the issue with giving Zion, the long snapper, Hedley, Feagles... ships.

It is one thing to take a project knowing full well that we will be at 85 kids. The issue, there is ZERO chance we are at 85 kids in '19 or '20 unless they give 3-4 walk-ons in their 3 or 4th years ships just to say they are at 85. The roster mismanagement under Richt was bad, IMO. No way Manny should have 33 kids on D, 43 on O and 3 ST kids. Those ST kids should earn it in the first two years allowing the 25 counter to be used on OL/DL projects like Zion vs. Feagles, Clay James,...
 
90scane said:
Which point is flawed?

The kid was an App State commit at 6'5 240lbs. It is going to take him 2-3 years to get to playing weight.

Counters- Let's see if Manny ever signs more than 28 kids! We have taken 17 kids and have Hedley as the 18th. We have 27-28 spots based on rolling numbers from 2011 or 2012. Every GT, walk-on (under 3rd year), transfer, signee uses a counter. We get 25 counters a year plus the handful that "roll" from the prior class IF we sign EEs. I'm actually assuming we have 3 EEs which we won't know until Jan 11.
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I th ink diaz will over sign in some classes. why not it works for the sec big boys Miami needs to start doing it
 
dwreck27 said:
Well we need Oline and we still havent even reached 85 schollys on this roooster so I dont care if we take him...

Shirt him and see where he's at in two year if nothing you can let him know his scholly wont be renewed
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also in 2 yrs and kid is athletic freak so has lt ability , if he is 300 lbs u got something. iowa/Wisconsin have some of the best olines in college taking kids like this
 
90scane said:
You can't just sign every kid until you reach 85. There are 25 counters per class. Transfers, walk-ons under 3rd year, Grad Transfers all count against the 25. We have 27-28 counters (3 for '18 and 25 for '19). We've used 17 with Hedley being the 18th. Thus we can sign 9-10 more kids. With Joe, Homer, Boulware, Cager gone, we would only get to 85 with 28 kids signed. If we sign 28 in '19 then we can only sign 25 in '20. Those the issue with giving Zion, the long snapper, Hedley, Feagles... ships.

It is one thing to take a project knowing full well that we will be at 85 kids. The issue, there is ZERO chance we are at 85 kids in '19 or '20 unless they give 3-4 walk-ons in their 3 or 4th years ships just to say they are at 85. The roster mismanagement under Richt was bad, IMO. No way Manny should have 33 kids on D, 43 on O and 3 ST kids. Those ST kids should earn it in the first two years allowing the 25 counter to be used on OL/DL projects like Zion vs. Feagles, Clay James,...
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yes but from an athletic standpoint kid is a lt. period. once u get him in a college weight room get him to 300 u may have a guy can be your lt for 2-3 seasons u don't give up on that look at iowa and Wisconsin they recruit this type of kid get in weight room and then have 1st round oline picks
 
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Drewny1 said:
I bring it up for 2 reasons

He is undersized and was an extreme case of a reach
The coach that evaluated him is gone.
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That kid is not a reach he is the type of kid that you take due to not getting the kid that is ready made Day-1 if he is a reach so were guys like Mike Jackson.. IMO reach means he does not have the ability to play at said school this is not the case for this kid .. He weight wise is not ready right now.

If he is a reach so are the 4-5 kids that shirted from 2018 class (OL) they were not ready physically either and weighed more
 
kalinis said:
I th ink diaz will over sign in some classes. why not it works for the sec big boys Miami needs to start doing it
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There is a big difference. Sec schools aren’t going over their counter limits but the chance that they could be over the 85 limit once every kid is enrolled. They push out kids to stay under 85. Miami can’t even sign enough to get above 85. Those, you can’t push our project that don’t develop!
 
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904Cane said:
That kid is not a reach he is the type of kid that you take due to not getting the kid that is ready made Day-1 if he is a reach so were guys like Mike Jackson.. IMO reach means he does not have the ability to play at said school this is not the case for this kid .. He weight wise is not ready right now.

If he is a reach so are the 4-5 kids that shirted from 2018 class (OL) they were not ready physically either and weighed more
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LOL at him not being a reach. He’s the definition of a reach.
 
904Cane said:
Because your some "aficionado" on OL that are reaches.. But your an All-American on this board so.. (y)(y)
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He was a 2-star player that was committed to Appalachian State. His measurables are 6'5 240 lbs., where as most tackles on the O-line come in around 270+ as freshman. He's the very definition of a reach. Could he pan out and be productive say in year 3 or 4? Possibly. But making it sound like we hit on a gem is about as homer as you get.
 
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Tons of programs BC, Wiscy take kids same size pack weight and muscle on them and show up and push us around year in and year out..
 
orange&green84 said:
He was a 2-star player that was committed to Appalachian State. His measurables are 6'5 240 lbs., where as most tackles on the O-line come in around 270+ as freshman. He's the very definition of a reach. Could he pan out and be productive say in year 3 or 4? Possibly. But making it sound like we hit on a gem is about as homer as you get.
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orange&green84 said:
He was a 2-star player that was committed to Appalachian State. His measurables are 6'5 240 lbs., where as most tackles on the O-line come in around 270+ as freshman. He's the very definition of a reach. Could he pan out and be productive say in year 3 or 4? Possibly. But making it sound like we hit on a gem is about as homer as you get.
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Let's stop with the whole star rating thing it's a joke in it's self. This kid is now a 3 star on 247 the most legit of the rating systems. Now my question to you is this 1. Have you watched his film 2. What about his film do you not like outside of he has not matured size wise.

Bar Milo was a 4 star recruit and was never good enough to play 2 seconds at Miami. . As far as being a homer I am evaluating the kids tape and that's all anyone can and should do ..

His tape was better than the kid who committed to Clemson yawl cried about all he did was two hand push people all tape ..
 
We are talking about a LT a large man with quickness and good feet those are rare and a TON of programs don't have legit LTs so most times you have to make one. See Eric Winston as an example and Jason Fox. They went on to have success at Miami and one was a TE and other was a QB in HS.

But per you guys they would never have even been here they are "reaches"
 
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