Another angle to the Duke Explosion

No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 TDs to him.
Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

Name all these examples. Sammy Watkins returned kicks. Bush returned kicks. Ellington returned kicks until Watkins came around. Thomas returns kicks. Great players who can do those special things do them in college. Your assertion is more an NFL thing.

My last sentences make sense because you make it sound like he was being under utilized on a team that scored 34 offensive pts and put up over 400 yds. If the offense was on the field more, then he likely would've gotten the touches you wanted him to get while still being the primary kick returner.

Oregon's offense is better and more explosive because they've been doing it longer. Its practically second nature to them at this point. You won't convince me they have better overall talent at WR albeit Miami's is young. IF Fisch wants this uptempo shotgun spread to be the thing at Miami, its gonna take some time before it gets going fully. BTW look where all the explosive plays have come from for Oregon. Primarily from Thomas. He is where their offense will get its explosiveness from. Their tempo causes problem and the O-line does a great job and thats why they put up lots of points. But he is the juice for them. BTW making judgements after one game about who can be explosive in this offense is jumping the gun a bit.
 
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No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 TDs to him.
Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

Name all these examples. Sammy Watkins returned kicks. Bush returned kicks. Ellington returned kicks until Watkins came around. Thomas returns kicks. Great players who can do those special things do them in college. Your assertion is more an NFL thing.

My last sentences make sense because you make it sound like he was being under utilized on a team that scored 34 offensive pts and put up over 400 yds. If the offense was on the field more, then he likely would've gotten the touches you wanted him to get while still being the primary kick returner.

Oregon's offense is better and more explosive because they've been doing it longer. Its practically second nature to them at this point. You won't convince me they have better overall talent at WR albeit Miami's is young. IF Fisch wants this uptempo shotgun spread to be the thing at Miami, its gonna take some time before it gets going fully. BTW look where all the explosive plays have come from for Oregon. Primarily from Thomas. He is where their offense will get its explosiveness from. Their tempo causes problem and the O-line does a great job and thats why they put up lots of points. But he is the juice for them. BTW making judgements after one game about who can be explosive in this offense is jumping the gun a bit.

For every Sammy Watkins, there's an Adrian Peterson, who was kept off of Kick Return in order to save his value. Look at Ladanian Tomlinson's college career. While he started to get KOR early on, as he became more important to his team, his KOR went all the way down to ZERO. I guess Nick Saban and Alabama had no idea what they were doing when they pulled Trent Richardson off of KOR. As for Reggie Bush, I think he was used correctly. He was an edge player and it was in his best interest to never be an every down back. Ellington was previously part of a two-back system. Your assertion is a generalized statement. Great players are used however they're most valuable to their team. My assertion, along with many posters on here, is that Duke's our ONLY explosive offensive player and therefore should be utilized mostly there.

Your previous statement makes no sense because you're saying that our ****** defense kept our offense off of the field and limited their opportunities. In reality, it works the other way around. Our ****** defense kept placing our offense ON the field.

Your last paragraph is simply confusing. According to you, Oregon's offense works better because they've been doing it longer, but then you cite equal talent at WR as support. What? How did you suddenly stick Oregon as a point of emphasis to this thread. Are you saying we're trying to be Oregon? Did you somehow understand anything I said as us trying to be Oregon?

The entire point of this thread is that, if we do not use the entire field, I believe we are going to struggle.
 
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I'm all for taking him off the KO returns. I'd still put him out there with Dorsett on the PR's occasionally, but its clear he is the nitroglyce in this offense. He's already our most explosive weapon, and that's where we need his skills.
 
Depends on how good he is at it which I couldn't really tell. If he's really good at it, keep him on it because I have a feeling our offense will need whatever productivity they can get in either phase. If he's replaceable, you can take him off. As things currently stand I'm not all that worried about it. I guess I'll worry about it more if he starts getting a bunch of carries and not 5 or 6 a game.
 
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Statistically, I'd say our best chance of scoring is when Duke Johnson has the football in his hands.

Anytime we can do that, I am for it. I'd keep him on returns.
 
The more touches the better. He's not an every down back... don't be afraid to use him on STs

Agreed. After his second TD I was thinking he should've been back fielding that punt instead of Dorsett. At that point in the game Duke should have been touching the ball whenever possible, and I think punt returns is a great spot for that
 
Reggie bush, returned kicks, punts and played on offense. Why do you want your most electric guy getting less touches?
 
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How many krs have you seen get hurt returning kicks? Not many. Leave him in there. He needs touches. He also can impact the game in more way than one. Field position is just as important as him getting carries. He effects the o and d on kr and pr.
 
I still believe that the faulty assumption being made in this thread is that he's a really good returner and offers something there that we can't get with anyone else. I'm not sure that we've seen that. Running is a much different skill than returning which is why not many backs return kicks anyway and guys like Devin Hester aren't just put at tailback to run wild. From the little bit that I saw of Duke, he returns kicks like a runner. In time, I'm not sure he'll offer something that Crawford or whoever else can't give us as a returner. We just have to see. The question is legit if his carries increase and/or he's not that great as a returner.
 
I think he's better for KOR than PR and he's a better return guy than Dorsett.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing him gradually reduced touches on STs but he needs to play STs throughout the year, IMO.

Countless teams put their best offensive player on STs.
 
I'd like to see Malcolm Lewis return some kicks. Seems like an extremely explosive guy...the way he stuck his foot in the ground on his TD catch, you can't coach that. No dancing, just explosive north/south running with the ball in his hands.
 
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I think duke has great return ability. He's got rare balance, acceleration, lean, vision and speed.

However, i think he's better suited to PR, where it's more short distance acceleration and navigating in space. I think KOR is more about speed and lean and we have other guys who can do just fine there (Dorsett, e.g.).
 
I think Dorsett did ok at returns. I rather have Duke on first down then back receiving kicks. I would keep him back there a few more games and see how he is I guess. If he isnt much more than Dorsett then take him off.
 
No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 TDs to him.
Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

Name all these examples. Sammy Watkins returned kicks. Bush returned kicks. Ellington returned kicks until Watkins came around. Thomas returns kicks. Great players who can do those special things do them in college. Your assertion is more an NFL thing.

My last sentences make sense because you make it sound like he was being under utilized on a team that scored 34 offensive pts and put up over 400 yds. If the offense was on the field more, then he likely would've gotten the touches you wanted him to get while still being the primary kick returner.

Oregon's offense is better and more explosive because they've been doing it longer. Its practically second nature to them at this point. You won't convince me they have better overall talent at WR albeit Miami's is young. IF Fisch wants this uptempo shotgun spread to be the thing at Miami, its gonna take some time before it gets going fully. BTW look where all the explosive plays have come from for Oregon. Primarily from Thomas. He is where their offense will get its explosiveness from. Their tempo causes problem and the O-line does a great job and thats why they put up lots of points. But he is the juice for them. BTW making judgements after one game about who can be explosive in this offense is jumping the gun a bit.

For every Sammy Watkins, there's an Adrian Peterson, who was kept off of Kick Return in order to save his value. Look at Ladanian Tomlinson's college career. While he started to get KOR early on, as he became more important to his team, his KOR went all the way down to ZERO. I guess Nick Saban and Alabama had no idea what they were doing when they pulled Trent Richardson off of KOR. As for Reggie Bush, I think he was used correctly. He was an edge player and it was in his best interest to never be an every down back. Ellington was previously part of a two-back system. Your assertion is a generalized statement. Great players are used however they're most valuable to their team. My assertion, along with many posters on here, is that Duke's our ONLY explosive offensive player and therefore should be utilized mostly there.

Your previous statement makes no sense because you're saying that our ****ty defense kept our offense off of the field and limited their opportunities. In reality, it works the other way around. Our ****ty defense kept placing our offense ON the field.

Your last paragraph is simply confusing. According to you, Oregon's offense works better because they've been doing it longer, but then you cite equal talent at WR as support. What? How did you suddenly stick Oregon as a point of emphasis to this thread. Are you saying we're trying to be Oregon? Did you somehow understand anything I said as us trying to be Oregon?

The entire point of this thread is that, if we do not use the entire field, I believe we are going to struggle.

You are wrong on this topic. Take the L brotha.

Duke had over 200 plus all purpose yards. Why limit his touches. He is never going to be a 30 plus carry back.
 
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No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 TDs to him.
Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

Name all these examples. Sammy Watkins returned kicks. Bush returned kicks. Ellington returned kicks until Watkins came around. Thomas returns kicks. Great players who can do those special things do them in college. Your assertion is more an NFL thing.

My last sentences make sense because you make it sound like he was being under utilized on a team that scored 34 offensive pts and put up over 400 yds. If the offense was on the field more, then he likely would've gotten the touches you wanted him to get while still being the primary kick returner.

Oregon's offense is better and more explosive because they've been doing it longer. Its practically second nature to them at this point. You won't convince me they have better overall talent at WR albeit Miami's is young. IF Fisch wants this uptempo shotgun spread to be the thing at Miami, its gonna take some time before it gets going fully. BTW look where all the explosive plays have come from for Oregon. Primarily from Thomas. He is where their offense will get its explosiveness from. Their tempo causes problem and the O-line does a great job and thats why they put up lots of points. But he is the juice for them. BTW making judgements after one game about who can be explosive in this offense is jumping the gun a bit.

For every Sammy Watkins, there's an Adrian Peterson, who was kept off of Kick Return in order to save his value. Look at Ladanian Tomlinson's college career. While he started to get KOR early on, as he became more important to his team, his KOR went all the way down to ZERO. I guess Nick Saban and Alabama had no idea what they were doing when they pulled Trent Richardson off of KOR. As for Reggie Bush, I think he was used correctly. He was an edge player and it was in his best interest to never be an every down back. Ellington was previously part of a two-back system. Your assertion is a generalized statement. Great players are used however they're most valuable to their team. My assertion, along with many posters on here, is that Duke's our ONLY explosive offensive player and therefore should be utilized mostly there.

Your previous statement makes no sense because you're saying that our ****ty defense kept our offense off of the field and limited their opportunities. In reality, it works the other way around. Our ****ty defense kept placing our offense ON the field.

Your last paragraph is simply confusing. According to you, Oregon's offense works better because they've been doing it longer, but then you cite equal talent at WR as support. What? How did you suddenly stick Oregon as a point of emphasis to this thread. Are you saying we're trying to be Oregon? Did you somehow understand anything I said as us trying to be Oregon?

The entire point of this thread is that, if we do not use the entire field, I believe we are going to struggle.

You are wrong on this topic. Take the L brotha.

Duke had over 200 plus all purpose yards. Why limit his touches. He is never going to be a 30 plus carry back.

What would you say if, maybe this year, maybe next year, he's pulled from KOR?
 
Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

Name all these examples. Sammy Watkins returned kicks. Bush returned kicks. Ellington returned kicks until Watkins came around. Thomas returns kicks. Great players who can do those special things do them in college. Your assertion is more an NFL thing.

My last sentences make sense because you make it sound like he was being under utilized on a team that scored 34 offensive pts and put up over 400 yds. If the offense was on the field more, then he likely would've gotten the touches you wanted him to get while still being the primary kick returner.

Oregon's offense is better and more explosive because they've been doing it longer. Its practically second nature to them at this point. You won't convince me they have better overall talent at WR albeit Miami's is young. IF Fisch wants this uptempo shotgun spread to be the thing at Miami, its gonna take some time before it gets going fully. BTW look where all the explosive plays have come from for Oregon. Primarily from Thomas. He is where their offense will get its explosiveness from. Their tempo causes problem and the O-line does a great job and thats why they put up lots of points. But he is the juice for them. BTW making judgements after one game about who can be explosive in this offense is jumping the gun a bit.

For every Sammy Watkins, there's an Adrian Peterson, who was kept off of Kick Return in order to save his value. Look at Ladanian Tomlinson's college career. While he started to get KOR early on, as he became more important to his team, his KOR went all the way down to ZERO. I guess Nick Saban and Alabama had no idea what they were doing when they pulled Trent Richardson off of KOR. As for Reggie Bush, I think he was used correctly. He was an edge player and it was in his best interest to never be an every down back. Ellington was previously part of a two-back system. Your assertion is a generalized statement. Great players are used however they're most valuable to their team. My assertion, along with many posters on here, is that Duke's our ONLY explosive offensive player and therefore should be utilized mostly there.

Your previous statement makes no sense because you're saying that our ****ty defense kept our offense off of the field and limited their opportunities. In reality, it works the other way around. Our ****ty defense kept placing our offense ON the field.

Your last paragraph is simply confusing. According to you, Oregon's offense works better because they've been doing it longer, but then you cite equal talent at WR as support. What? How did you suddenly stick Oregon as a point of emphasis to this thread. Are you saying we're trying to be Oregon? Did you somehow understand anything I said as us trying to be Oregon?

The entire point of this thread is that, if we do not use the entire field, I believe we are going to struggle.

You are wrong on this topic. Take the L brotha.

Duke had over 200 plus all purpose yards. Why limit his touches. He is never going to be a 30 plus carry back.

What would you say if, maybe this year, maybe next year, he's pulled from KOR?

Would mean UM has a lot more depth

But if he is dangerous I say keep him on.
 
This thread is ridiculous. Go tell Chip Kelly to take De'Anthony Thomas off of kickoff returns. The effect of Duke. BC started pooching the ball. If we can not bobble those we're looking at the ball on the 30 yd line.

This cant be overlooked. If opponents are willing to give us the ball at the 30-35 yard line simply because he's back there then, you put him back there.
 
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