Another angle to the Duke Explosion

[JefeGringo]

Well, I lived through the inexplicable us of 6' 3" Andre Johnson on KOR and the TE I cant think of the name, so I can live through this. Its a risk, yes, but he is home run threat from anywhere.

 

[Cityboy4life82]

One thing that stands out to me and I thought would be too early to say:

Do you slowly take Duke off of kickoff return? Seriously. Hear me out. We lose today's game without Duke. James will contribute, but our offense will be stuck in the mud without a guy like Duke. He's that valuable...already. The last thing I want to see is unnecessary risk to a true Frosh 190 pound RB that may already be our second most valuable player on offense.

You would be coaching scared. Reggie Bush returned punts and kick offs. Barry Sanders did also.

Do you know who else was on the roster when both were used on STs? Start there. I'm not saying take him completely out of the equation, but Bush and Sanders were on Special Teams as nothing more than sprinkles by the time they were as valuable to their teams as Duke is to us right now.

Bush returned Punts and kick offs his entire Career. Barry Sanders returned Kick off his entire career even his record breaking Jr year. You would be coaching scared. Play your best players period. Put the ball in your best most explosive player hands.

 

[LuCane]

One thing that stands out to me and I thought would be too early to say:

Do you slowly take Duke off of kickoff return? Seriously. Hear me out. We lose today's game without Duke. James will contribute, but our offense will be stuck in the mud without a guy like Duke. He's that valuable...already. The last thing I want to see is unnecessary risk to a true Frosh 190 pound RB that may already be our second most valuable player on offense.

You would be coaching scared. Reggie Bush returned punts and kick offs. Barry Sanders did also.

Do you know who else was on the roster when both were used on STs? Start there. I'm not saying take him completely out of the equation, but Bush and Sanders were on Special Teams as nothing more than sprinkles by the time they were as valuable to their teams as Duke is to us right now.

Bush returned Punts and kick offs his entire Career. Barry Sanders returned Kick off his entire career even his record breaking Jr year. You would be coaching scared. Play your best players period. Put the ball in your best most explosive player hands.

Bush's use was always relative to his value. I also don't think he was an every down back, which I think Duke actually IS. Barry Sanders notoriously made his mark on STs while he had NFL Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas ahead of him for two years. He was mainly taken off of PR during his Heisman campaign, but notoriously went for the TD total so increased his touches with KR (where he still only got 21 touches).

 

[niuvalleycane]

Put him on all 4 special teams and bring him in as the nickel DB......

 

[LuCane]

Put him on all 4 special teams and bring him in as the nickel DB......

Actually, this I'd consider.

 

[bathtubgin]

Take him off. He's going to be our most potent weapon, and quite possibly our only game breaker. He got more touches tonight than I expected which leads me to think he'll be getting the lions share of the carries much sooner than expected. Maybe if we really need a big return in a tight game you put him back there, but it should be rare.

 

[Hegemon]

Play him exactly how they did today....

Maybe 10-15 touches.....but the same way....

 

[fincane]

This thread is ridiculous. Go tell Chip Kelly to take De'Anthony Thomas off of kickoff returns. The effect of Duke. BC started pooching the ball. If we can not bobble those we're looking at the ball on the 30 yd line.

 

[blackvern]

WHo thought of this stupid ish..WE need him on KR PR 3rd down back and Dime DB...

 

[Cityboy4life82]

One thing that stands out to me and I thought would be too early to say:

Do you slowly take Duke off of kickoff return? Seriously. Hear me out. We lose today's game without Duke. James will contribute, but our offense will be stuck in the mud without a guy like Duke. He's that valuable...already. The last thing I want to see is unnecessary risk to a true Frosh 190 pound RB that may already be our second most valuable player on offense.

You would be coaching scared. Reggie Bush returned punts and kick offs. Barry Sanders did also.

Do you know who else was on the roster when both were used on STs? Start there. I'm not saying take him completely out of the equation, but Bush and Sanders were on Special Teams as nothing more than sprinkles by the time they were as valuable to their teams as Duke is to us right now.

Bush returned Punts and kick offs his entire Career. Barry Sanders returned Kick off his entire career even his record breaking Jr year. You would be coaching scared. Play your best players period. Put the ball in your best most explosive player hands.

Bush's use was always relative to his value. I also don't think he was an every down back, which I think Duke actually IS. Barry Sanders notoriously made his mark on STs while he had NFL Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas ahead of him for two years. He was mainly taken off of PR during his Heisman campaign, but notoriously went for the TD total so increased his touches with KR (where he still only got 21 touches).

Not true. I am a HUGE Barry and Bush fan. Bush was always the punt returner and kick off returner. Lendale White was the work horse back and started. Bush never gave up returning duties. Barry Sanders always returned kick offs. Barry had 25 plus carries a game and received .

Game 1 18carries 178 yards
Game 2 20carries 157 yards
Game 3 33carries 304 yards
Game 4 24carries 174 yards
Game 5 34carries 189 yards
game 6 25carries 154 yards
Game 7 37carries 320 yards
Game 8 39carries 215 yards
Game 9 37carries 312 yards
Game 10 32carries 293 yards
Game 11 44carries 332 yards
Game 12 29carries 222 yards

 

[Dandycane]

He's a touches guy...just get him the ball in space and don't kill'em with overuse...he is a 180lb freshmens...give him some carries, some catches, some special teams touches, let him work his magic.

Dont kill the **** this year. Work him in.

 

[LuCane]

You would be coaching scared. Reggie Bush returned punts and kick offs. Barry Sanders did also.

Do you know who else was on the roster when both were used on STs? Start there. I'm not saying take him completely out of the equation, but Bush and Sanders were on Special Teams as nothing more than sprinkles by the time they were as valuable to their teams as Duke is to us right now.

Bush returned Punts and kick offs his entire Career. Barry Sanders returned Kick off his entire career even his record breaking Jr year. You would be coaching scared. Play your best players period. Put the ball in your best most explosive player hands.

Bush's use was always relative to his value. I also don't think he was an every down back, which I think Duke actually IS. Barry Sanders notoriously made his mark on STs while he had NFL Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas ahead of him for two years. He was mainly taken off of PR during his Heisman campaign, but notoriously went for the TD total so increased his touches with KR (where he still only got 21 touches).

Not true. I am a HUGE Barry and Bush fan. Bush was always the punt returner and kick off returner. Lendale White was the work horse back and started. Bush never gave up returning duties. Barry Sanders always returned kick offs. Barry had 25 plus carries a game and received .

Game 1 18carries 178 yards
Game 2 20carries 157 yards
Game 3 33carries 304 yards
Game 4 24carries 174 yards
Game 5 34carries 189 yards
game 6 25carries 154 yards
Game 7 37carries 320 yards
Game 8 39carries 215 yards
Game 9 37carries 312 yards
Game 10 32carries 293 yards
Game 11 44carries 332 yards
Game 12 29carries 222 yards

What? Please explain how what you stated contradicts what I wrote above. Bush's role on STs was always relative to his value. That's what he did. Barry got 21 total KOR touches his Heisman year. He was after the TD record.

 

[LuCane]

This thread is ridiculous. Go tell Chip Kelly to take De'Anthony Thomas off of kickoff returns. The effect of Duke. BC started pooching the ball. If we can not bobble those we're looking at the ball on the 30 yd line.

Luckily for Oregon, if Thomas gets hurt, they still have an offense. What most of us are asking is that his role on offense is increases and his role on KOR isn't made 'non-existent' but instead reduced proportionally. Your approach to a statement is the only thing that is ridiculous.

 

[CaneShades]

Get Duke the ball anyway possible!!!!!!

 

[frostycane]

I agree with the coaches, I think they used him perfectly this week. I think KO, 8-12 carries and maybe a few catches. Is he currently an everydown back? umm no I dont think he is. Sure he had one really tough run today, but I would be willing to bet that at his size, if he got twenty touches and took five of those hits a game he would get hurt. Just ask Lamar Miller.... No one guy can take that major pounding let alone at 190 pounds! If your worried about hurting him, leave him on STs and minimize his touches/ big hits. There are much bigger hits on Rbs up the gut against 235lb linebackers than there is on KOs. Give him the spread out touches in space, swing passes, screens tosses, sweeps, options and kick off returns.

 

[blackvern]

I agree with the coaches, I think they used him perfectly this week. I think KO, 8-12 carries and maybe a few catches. Is he currently an everydown back? umm no I dont think he is. Sure he had one really tough run today, but I would be willing to bet that at his size, if he got twenty touches and took five of those hits a game he would get hurt. Just ask Lamar Miller.... No one guy can take that major pounding let alone at 190 pounds! If your worried about hurting him, leave him on STs and minimize his touches/ big hits. There are much bigger hits on Rbs up the gut against 235lb linebackers than there is on KOs. Give him the spread out touches in space, swing passes, screens tosses, sweeps, options and kick off returns.

TO be honest he looks like our best inside runner at 190 pounds.... He had a couple of runs inside where he still fell foward

 

[fincane]

No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players and that is why they used him on special teams then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 yard TDs to him.

 

[LuCane]

No, your limiting a player's role because of fear of injury is ridiculous. Miami would still have an offense. Much like Oregon's it would suffer without the use of one of their great players. If you're trying to tell us that Bush was less valuable to SC on offense just because they had other big-time players then you need to go back and watch. He was their x-factor just like it appears Duke is for Miami. "Duke is a great player, so lets take away an area from his game where he may help us a great deal" is what I'm reading. His touches weren't limited because he was also returning kicks. They were limited because the Miami defense stunk and the BC defense was giving up 50 TDs to him.

Ridiculous, huh? You mean like how many players are pulled off some special teams in order to "save" them for a more valuable role? There are countless examples.

I disagree with your statement that Miami's loss would be equal to Oregon's loss. Oregon would still have an explosive offense, albeit less so. Miami would simply not have any explosiveness on their offense at all.

Your last two sentences make no sense to me. His touches were limited because they were going to other players. Many of us think those touches within the actual offense will have more value to Miami. Therefore, like many have stated here, in order not to overuse him, I'd use him as a sprinkle on KOR and PR, but would focus his contribution more on our offense.

 

[UM58]

The more touches the better. He's not an every down back... don't be afraid to use him on STs

I rather use him on PR. I think we're better off as a team with Phillip Dorsett handling PR and KR duties.

I beg to differ that Duke's not an every down back. I think he's exactly that. And, when they go I-Form or single back, he looks fantastic. I surmise Fisch will use him as a decoy quite a bit. Play action, fake pitches, etc. ****, he already did by slipping Mike James in at FB. I bet we see a pass out of that formation soon (if not next week).

Agreed, i want him on pr.

 

[TheU1991]

We're only gonna have this kid for 3 years.

Can't waste 1/3 of them by limiting him to a few touches a game. He's special. Give him some burn.