Alin Edouard got his offer

[JHallCanes]

This spread vs. pro style debate is ******* stupid.

Old conventions die hard.

When people see scrambling QBs, they still think of Turner Gill, Major Harris, Tommie Frazier, etc...

The QB position is naturally more athletic nowadays.

More athletic and the athletic guys are more prepared so you get the best of both worlds. Seems silly to ***** about sticking your offense into one category when there are so many possibilities out there. Just have to balance it with how well you can prepare these kids in a shorter time than the NFL allows.

 

[Boston_Cane]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

 

[jerzeycane]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

But Miami started their dynasty by in fact "reinventing the wheel"

 

[Boston_Cane]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

But Miami started their dynasty by in fact "reinventing the wheel"

They've always been trendsetters, sure, but in attitude and outside the lines stuff. There's nothing unconventional about Jim Kelly, Bernie and Vinny or Irvin or Jerome Brown. Miami didn't invent speed, they were just faster than everyone else. Just stronger, meaner, better.

 

[Fzac75]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! SOMEONE WITH HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE!! And by the way to the putz with the 90 year old put down, yeah not even close kid. These people with this nonsense of the mobile qb is new, it has always existed, and nobody is stereotyping the ability, Roger Stauerbach is a legend and mobile, so was Bob Griese, and John Elway, and Terry Bradshaw. The issue isn't about mobility, and I COULD CARE LESS, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE IT BETWEEN THE EARS I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY ARE MOBILE OR STIFF. Question, how did that amazing mobility and cannon of an arm do for Ken Dorsey or Steve Walsh? We had a heck of a mobile qb in Vinny, how did that turn out?

And don't imply that I am only mentioning the defense for only those teams, that is a petty and cheap spin. Championship teams, regardless of the qb, need a top ranked defense. My point was that it wasnt just the electrifying landscape changing mobile qb that won it for them. And the FACT is the mobile qb or dual threat qb has been around forever.

The pro style offense is not about just formations, it's about the schemes the routes the reads. The simplistic spread option does not teach that to qb's and allows for qb's that do not have that ability to be effective. And in college football you can get away with that, but not in the NFL. How have those amazing Oregon QB's done in the NFL? How's Tebow doing? And if you actually look at the passer rating and QB rating of Cam Newton, you would see he as a QUARTERBACK, has not been effective, he's had highlights, but as a QB he has been mediocre, and the wins show it as well. But again this is about the CANES not the transition of the spread option qb to the NFL.

Either way, this has nothing to do with physical styles, if the kid has the goods between the ears, bring him in, and I'll trust the coaches on that, because none of us here can judge that.

 

[jerzeycane]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

But Miami started their dynasty by in fact "reinventing the wheel"

They've always been trendsetters, sure, but in attitude and outside the lines stuff. There's nothing unconventional about Jim Kelly, Bernie and Vinny or Irvin or Jerome Brown. Miami didn't invent speed, they were just faster than everyone else. Just stronger, meaner, better.

Winston Moss and Danny Stubbs were "reinventing the wheel" though. Moving the linebacker to defensive end and the tight end to DT and so on and so forth. The idea of recruiting better athletes and teaching them to play football wasn't en vogue until Jimmy did it. Nobody was really throwing the ball around like we were either. Forget all that though. Just a couple of years ago, there were two read-option spread teams in the National Championship. I don't think anyone is saying we change our entire philosophy, but there's something wrong if we don't incorporate some athleticism into the QB position, when you consider the athletes that we have in South Florida. The element of the unscripted is an EXTREMELY difficult thing for a defense to prepare for and when combined with knowledge of the QB position, it's deadly.

At the end of the day, all this hand wringing may be for naught. Edouard will have to compete with Olsen, Dewey, and presumably another QB from the '14 class for playing time. If he isn't good enough, it will bear itself out. We aren't going to change the offense to fit him. Instead, we would put in some packages or ideas that have his athleticism in mind. His job #1, however, will be to learn our offense and then you work from there.

 

[japancane]

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[Boston_Cane]

How come anytime a spread style QB is mentioned with our program, it seems a group of fans that are 90 years old crawl out? I'd expect this **** from Notre Dame old timers or something, but I always laugh when posters are shaking their fists like "that dadgum new fangled spread offense with the **** qb will never work!!!!! bah!!!"

Game's changing. Miami has always been trendsetters of football. We are known for our speed, quick-scoring ability, playmaking, excitement - we should be embracing the spread. Especially when you consider the type of QB traditionally found down here.

Put your ****ing leather helmets down and embrace the kind of ridiculous offense Miami can run with the added dimension of a mobile Qb.

Winning 5 NC's with a similar blueprint tends to engender some loyalty. Granted, a freak athlete like Newton or Vince Young can obviously bring home the hardware as a dual-threat, but there's nothing leather helmet about longing for old-fashioned Hurricanes football. I don't think the game is changing all that much. There have been plenty of mobile QB's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and pass-heavy systems have been the norm for many years. That doesn't mean it's time to reinvent the wheel at Miami.

But Miami started their dynasty by in fact "reinventing the wheel"

They've always been trendsetters, sure, but in attitude and outside the lines stuff. There's nothing unconventional about Jim Kelly, Bernie and Vinny or Irvin or Jerome Brown. Miami didn't invent speed, they were just faster than everyone else. Just stronger, meaner, better.

Winston Moss and Danny Stubbs were "reinventing the wheel" though. Moving the linebacker to defensive end and the tight end to DT and so on and so forth. The idea of recruiting better athletes and teaching them to play football wasn't en vogue until Jimmy did it. Nobody was really throwing the ball around like we were either. Forget all that though. Just a couple of years ago, there were two read-option spread teams in the National Championship. I don't think anyone is saying we change our entire philosophy, but there's something wrong if we don't incorporate some athleticism into the QB position, when you consider the athletes that we have in South Florida.

At the end of the day, all this hand wringing may be for naught. Edouard will have to compete with Olsen, Dewey, and presumably another QB from the '14 class for playing time. If he isn't good enough, it will bear itself out. We aren't going to change the offense to fit him. Instead, we would put in some packages or ideas that have his athleticism in mind. His job #1, however, will be to learn our offense and then you work from there.

You certainly raise some good points. Often times the critical play in a game is when the QB escapes the pocket and runs for a first-down, and this is football so ideally you want the best athlete you can coach up at every position. The thing is, I see tape of a kid like Sean White who's obviously been coached like a QB, goes through his progressions etc. and I see a QB. Then I see Edouard's tape and I see a superior athlete who seems to me to have been coached as just that. Zone-read runs, designed QB sneaks, lot's of deep balls (which he throws great) and I'm sure he can be coached up to do more than that, so I have no problem recruiting the **** out of a kid like him. In baseball we talk a lot about a prospects ceiling and floor. Edouard is the classic low floor/high ceiling kid. Could be def. be a superstar, but could easily bust. (edit) And by bust I'm thinking NC or bust, like Denard Robinson.

 

[2Focusd804]

i think some people confuse Spread offense with zone read offense. Spread offenses doesnt mean u have to run the QB or even have a dual threat QB. For example check out WVU these past couple of years and Texas tech for the last decade or so. TT never has a mobile QB but employ the spread. WVU likewise runs the spread without running the QB. If u look at the WVU and TT offenses, and how it makes avg players great and great players elite, what would a potential miami offense loaded with studs look like in that offense throw in an avg to good defense n Miami can be back to a championship contender pretty quickly.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

according to another site he just committed

 

[jerzeycane]

You certainly raise some good points. Often times the critical play in a game is when the QB escapes the pocket and runs for a first-down, and this is football so ideally you want the best athlete you can coach up at every position. The thing is, I see tape of a kid like Sean White who's obviously been coached like a QB, goes through his progressions etc. and I see a QB. Then I see Edouard's tape and I see a superior athlete who seems to me to have been coached as just that. Zone-read runs, designed QB sneaks, lot's of deep balls (which he throws great) and I'm sure he can be coached up to do more than that, so I have no problem recruiting the **** out of a kid like him. In baseball we talk a lot about a prospects ceiling and floor. Edouard is the classic low floor/high ceiling kid. Could be def. be a superstar, but could easily bust. (edit) And by bust I'm thinking NC or bust, like Denard Robinson.

Definitely agree and I think that's why we need to take another QB who is more proven as it relates to progression reads. We have some other targets like DeShaun Watson, Cornwell, and Mahalak, who are more advanced in these areas.

 

[JHallCanes]

Wish I could cross reference the people who throw their arms up at the spread offense debate who also freaked out about Brock Berlin being poorly utilized.