ACC Baseball Championship Tournament Thread

[HurricaneVision]

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

The biggest issue people see when they make their own calculators is the issue with removing the games against that opponent from their overall win/loss record and recalibrating it to reflect the Win% accurately based on the weights the formula puts into it. The SOS factor is equally as misused when compiling the data.

The fact that Virginia has such strong metrics, and it was a neutral site game, would have prevented too far of a fall.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

The biggest issue people see when they make their own calculators is the issue with removing the games against that opponent from their overall win/loss record and recalibrating it to reflect the Win% accurately based on the weights the formula puts into it. The SOS factor is equally as misused when compiling the data.

The fact that Virginia has such strong metrics, and it was a neutral site game, would have prevented too far of a fall.

Awesome, except that this isn't my first day calculating the RPI. We would have fallen to 3rd, without question.

 

[HurricaneVision]

Coincidentally, my goodness, I get that it's been a while since we've been to Omaha, but we have yet another good team and it just seems most of our fans don't want to enjoy it. That seems so miserable to me.

If you're going to ***** unless we win the title, you're going to be disappointed far more often than not. If you're going to ***** when we don't make Omaha, you'll be pretty unhappy most years.

College baseball has changed. Teams can get really good, really quickly, and teams can also fade away just as quickly. Illinois is a lead pipe cinch to host this year and they were #56 in RPI last year. Iowa is a lock for the tourney, and they were #121 last year. Missouri State has a great shot at a national seed and were #109 last year and that was with two players who played for Team USA over the summer.

Yet, despite all of this, Miami is good Every. Single. Year. A private school with honestly below P4 average facilities, that costs a fortune to attend, in a sport with extremely limited scholarship abilities is always good. We are good again this year. Believe it. Enjoy it. Calm the **** down.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Oh Lord. Another one. "We can't win it every year. We're fine."

Yeah, except that we have won one single regional tournament in the last six years. One regional. At Miami.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

College baseball has changed. Teams can get really good, really quickly, and teams can also fade away just as quickly. Illinois is a lead pipe cinch to host this year and they were #56 in RPI last year. Iowa is a lock for the tourney, and they were #121 last year. Missouri State has a great shot at a national seed and were #109 last year and that was with two players who played for Team USA over the summer.

Forget about Iowa and Purdue. Why don't you tell me about Texas, LSU, Arizona State, Florida State, etc. Have they made it to Omaha recently?

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

We actually beat the damned Hoos for once?? Absolutely amazing.

 

[HurricaneVision]

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

The biggest issue people see when they make their own calculators is the issue with removing the games against that opponent from their overall win/loss record and recalibrating it to reflect the Win% accurately based on the weights the formula puts into it. The SOS factor is equally as misused when compiling the data.

The fact that Virginia has such strong metrics, and it was a neutral site game, would have prevented too far of a fall.

Awesome, except that this isn't my first day calculating the RPI. We would have fallen to 3rd, without question.

We would've fallen to 3rd, yes. .6098 with 1st and 2nd being tied at .6099.

 

[HurricaneVision]

College baseball has changed. Teams can get really good, really quickly, and teams can also fade away just as quickly. Illinois is a lead pipe cinch to host this year and they were #56 in RPI last year. Iowa is a lock for the tourney, and they were #121 last year. Missouri State has a great shot at a national seed and were #109 last year and that was with two players who played for Team USA over the summer.

Forget about Iowa and Purdue. Why don't you tell me about Texas, LSU, Arizona State, Florida State, etc. Have they made it to Omaha recently?

Well, Texas is at #95 and would need to have a great run in the conference tourney to even make the tournament. They were honestly a team that was shafted a bit by the committee not to be a host. They were #11 on Selection Monday, but won their Regional against a weak host. Then they beat a good Houston team, but a team devoid of stars before losing to Vanderbilt and bowing out. In 2013 they didn't even make their own conference tournament, let alone the NCAA tournament.

LSU has a helluva baseball program that continues to crank out winning seasons. They stole Alex Lange from a Kansas Cith high school (and another program, as he was previously committed elsewhere). Last year they had to merely win one game at home without losing two, and lost back-to-back games to Houston to be eliminated. In 2013 they were 2 and a cue at the CWS. The year prior they lost to Stony Brook at home, the same team that won the Coral Gables Regional in fairly lucky fashion.

Arizona State last year was #45 in the RPI, and went two and a cue against the likes of Pepperdine and Sacramento State. 2013 they were #20 and lost in the Regional to Cal State Fullerton. In 2012 they didn't even make the NCAA Tournament.

Florida State is another powerhouse program, no doubt, but they have won exactly as many national titles as I have.

I want to win every year as well, you can hear my message as being a Pollyanna, or you can hear it as what it is: most of the gripes on here are emotional and irrational, and we are spoiled as **** as a fanbase to win as often as we do.

 

[Notsince1985]

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

You need to get laid

 

[QueenOfSpades]

K

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

You need to get laid

That's the kind of childish response from someone who tried to sound intelligent but who was taken to school. It's okay, greater men than you have fallen victim to my posts.

 

[Notsince1985]

K

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

You need to get laid

That's the kind of childish response from someone who tried to sound intelligent but who was taken to school. It's okay, greater men than you have fallen victim to my posts.

No, it's actually a joke. It was actually pretty funny if I say so myself, but, spreadsheets? Come on, man.

 

[TheU1984]

Come at the King, you best not miss.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

K

You do realize RPI has about as much to do with the teams you played, and whether they win or lose, as whether you win or lose right?

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

You need to get laid

That's the kind of childish response from someone who tried to sound intelligent but who was taken to school. It's okay, greater men than you have fallen victim to my posts.

No, it's actually a joke. It was actually pretty funny if I say so myself, but, spreadsheets? Come on, man.

If you understood the RPI and/or Excel you would know that it's a 60 second setup.

 

[Notsince1985]

K

Champ, I have a spreadsheet in which I input our opponents' numbers in order to calculate our expected RPI based on whether we win or lose. Not only do I realize what goes into the RPI, I can tell you within .0001 what our RPI range will be after a particular game. A loss today would have put us at .6070.

You need to get laid

That's the kind of childish response from someone who tried to sound intelligent but who was taken to school. It's okay, greater men than you have fallen victim to my posts.

No, it's actually a joke. It was actually pretty funny if I say so myself, but, spreadsheets? Come on, man.

If you understood the RPI and/or Excel you would know that it's a 60 second setup.

I understand both, I just.....not worth it

 

[caneinpsl]

I said it would be 5 or 6-2 final, when we were up 2-0. Prize, please?

You get the **** Trophy.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

I understand both, I just.....not worth it

If you understood either one you wouldn't have made the nonsensical argument that we wouldn't have fallen to #3 . Amateur.

 

[canesproponent]

This queen needs to focus on her forte (i.e. knitting, orchid garden, Bruce Jenner and Andy Cohen specials) and let the real baseball aficionados discuss the team. Ms. Spades spends 2.5 hours lambasting the team and we are then subjected to her sullen posts after the dramatic win.

We are a statistical outlier. Tuition at Miami is $22,000 a year at Miami versus in-state FSU tuition of $6,512. You are asking a student to pay $32,000 more after scholarships to attend UM. She is obviously delusional if she cannot see the colossal disadvantage that such a tuition disparity places Miami in. Morris mentioned it this year, but Rice's and Vanderbilt's scholarship program can cover 100% of their baseball players. This does not even address funding. Morris has been attempting to raise money for new batting cages for over 5-years. UCLA had a donor provide $5 million for new batting cages. [In actuality, our stadiium is probably top-20 and definitely top-30. The stadium does not hurt us. It could use a new Fraser building and chair back seats throughout, but it is a good stadium.]

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Oh, here we go with the tuition thing again. Recruiting stunk for so many years because we chased the wrong kids, not because tuition was driving people away. There are thousands upon thousands of baseball players who can either (a) earn academic money or (b) whose parents can afford Miami or (c) can find a way to do it with grants and loans. One would think that we could manage to find 10 of those kids every year, but we didn't. We went after first round draft picks, lost them, and settled for garbage.

The batting cage thing is pure nonsense. High schools all over the country sell outfield signs and manage to build nice, covered batting cages. It's a lame excuse anyway. Was the batting cage good enough in 2008? Did it all of a sudden fall apart that summer? Does the batting cage explain our horrendous fielding since 2008?

But we're fine. We have milkshake races now.

 

[CaneBucsFan]

As is usually the case, the likely truth is somewhere between the bluster of both sides here.

Miami does having something of a disadvantage with regards to tuition costs and general financial support. To just cast that fact aside and call people "an apologist" is ridiculous. But at the same time, those factors certainly are not enough to justify the 7-8 consecutive years without any real success. This year's team is a testament to that, but actually supports the arguments of both sides.

I was firmly in the "fire Morris, he's done" for the past 3 years. We couldn't hit anything, the infield couldn't field anything, and we were only making the postseason because J.D. Arteaga routinely churned out a top-5 pitching rotation. Every year our 5 best signings were going straight to the pros. It definitely felt like Morris had lost it, and he deserved all the criticism he received at that time. But he also now deserves some praise, even if we temper it based on how these next few weeks ago. He and Geno have recruited really well the last few years and the results show. This is a talented, balanced team that can obviously compete with anybody.

Now of course, we have to prove it in the postseason. And if we collapse and fail, that's an indictment on Morris. But we're clearly no longer in the tailspin that we were a few years ago. And we shouldn't just become mopes the first time we struggle to hit (against a pitcher who has been playing really well, no less) through 7 innings.

 

[caneinpsl]

Folks are welcome to drag out the "We have crashed and burned every post season the last ten years, so I'm sure this team will do the same." argument. I have a hard time telling them they are wrong to think that. But IMHO this team is different. DT's clutch at bat last night is symbolic of that to me. The guy leads the conference in home runs. And he did try to kill the ball early in the count. But with two strikes he makes the veteran move and just slaps the pitch (a ball imho) out into left field. They are getting the job done. They deserve credit for doing exactly that since the midpoint in the season. I just hope there's enough starting pitching to get them through the CWS, but this looks like a team who can go all the way to me.