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A weigh room question

D2D28 said:
Trust me never me at any point. But there are ppl that think like that just like ppl think if we can rep 225 alot we must be getting stronger. I was trying to show there is lil correlation between the 2.
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That is factually incorrect. There is a very strong correlation between increasing reps at 225 and your overall bench. Seriously, that has to be a joke right?!?
D2D28 said:
Trust me never me at any point. But there are ppl that think like that just like ppl think if we can rep 225 alot we must be getting stronger. I was trying to show there is lil correlation between the 2.
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I love how everyone keeps saying that the BP means little and yet it the only weigh-lifting test done at the NFL combine.

From NFL.com
Bench press
The bench press is a test of strength -- 225 pounds, as many reps as the athlete can get. What the NFL scouts are also looking for is endurance. Anybody can do a max one time, but what the bench press tells the pro scouts is how often the athlete frequented his college weight room for the last 3-5 years.
 
If u have no training base ofcourse increasing reps will increase your strength. At that level push ups would do that. But we're talking about highly trained athletes. Increasing muscle endurance does not equal a huge increase in absolute strength. & vice versa
 
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the whole problem with our guys wasn't that they couldn't do it once. it was that they would gradually get pushed around the longer the game went on and the more their muscle were being required to exert the maximum amount of strength during a play. working on our players endurance was and is a major factor regardless of the great potato debate.

to have the abilty to give 100% during a series of plays instead of being spent after two downs is crucial. this is where Al and swasey have worked and developed the guys.
 
Dude, Seriously....You are WRONG! Your perspective is skewed or you do not have experience in weight training. I am trying to keep things above the belt but I am telling you, if you take a guy that can lift 225 12 times... he is not going to outbench someone who can lift 225 30 times. Its a very simple concept.
D2D28 said:
If u have no training base ofcourse increasing reps will increase your strength. At that level push ups would do that. But we're talking about highly trained athletes. Increasing muscle endurance does not equal a huge increase in absolute strength. & vice versa
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D2D28 said:
If u have no training base ofcourse increasing reps will increase your strength. At that level push ups would do that. But we're talking about highly trained athletes. Increasing muscle endurance does not equal a huge increase in absolute strength. & vice versa
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You're that guy that always maxes out on the BP when he goes to the gym huh?
 
For a more technical explanation: The overload principle of muscular strength training: Basically, this type of training requires the performance of reps until failure. Force the muscle to work until the last one or two reps are completed. In other words, if you do 100 lb. on the bench for 10 reps, but the ninth and tenth reps are extremely taxing to the muscle, muscular strength will be increase.

If that isnt enough, this is from a NFL Pro trainer who gets kids ready for the Combine. And I will quote the article:

“At the Combine, they correlate the strength from the endurance,” says Andy Barnett, who trains players prior to the Combine at Athletes’ Performance in Gulf Breeze, Florida. “So if you do more reps, your one-rep max [the most weight you can lift once] is stronger. It takes less time than trying to find someone’s one-rep max.”
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http://www.coreperformance.com/daily/play-better/nfl-combine-secret--1-boost-your-bench-press.html

Now will this allow you to max out the ceiling? NO. But it proves the point that there is a strong correlation between increasing reps which in turn increases max.
 
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I'm not gonna give u my resume or credentials but I'm just gonna tell u I've gotten successful results at Indy over a decent period of time.
 
Well I'm not asking for your credentials nor do I need them. They are irrelevant to the point of the argument in which is you stated that there is little to no correlation between the two. That just isn't correct. However I'm done with the conversation. I made my point.
 
Sigh. Lots of good points being ruined here as usual with S&C threads.

Eye test: guys look physically bigger and stronger.

Weight room numbers: back up these claims

Lifting a high weight for max is good. Lifting a lighter weight a much higher amount of times than before is good. Its about training different muscle fibers and being a well rounded athlete. We are doing that. Golden gets this part.
 
What some of you are forgetting is that being "strong" doesn't necessarily mean that you're "explosive," particularly in a football sense. Look at great football athletes and they're all capable of sudden, powerful, explosive movements. We've had some kids here - one of whom probably still holds some lifting records here - that were strong yet not powerful or explosive.

Edit: This is why our S&C program - along with probably every other in the country - emphasizes olympic weightlifting and not the typical "bodybuilding" routines that you read about or see in a commercial gym. Olympic weightlifting has a tremendous transfer to power/speed output.
 
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AlexCane said:
What some of you are forgetting is that being "strong" doesn't necessarily mean that you're "explosive," particularly in a football sense. Look at great football athletes and they're all capable of sudden, powerful, explosive movements. We've had some kids here - one of whom probably still holds some lifting records here - that were strong yet not powerful or explosive.
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Andrew Bain just threw his pizza at your face.
 
D2D28 said:
If u have no training base ofcourse increasing reps will increase your strength. At that level push ups would do that. But we're talking about highly trained athletes. Increasing muscle endurance does not equal a huge increase in absolute strength. & vice versa
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No ****.

High reps/lower weight=more muscle endurance
Lower reps/heavier weight=more pure strength gains

Weightlifting 101
 
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That's like taking nutrition and training advice from the Terminator. Non humans don't count.
 
And before anyone asks no I'm not gonna give u my resume or credentials but I'm just gonna tell u I've gotten successful results at LSU
 
GhostofVenice01 said:
And before anyone asks no I'm not gonna give u my resume or credentials but I'm just gonna tell u I've gotten successful results at LSU
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I've worked with several elite NFL players and ****ed a ton of SI swimsuit models.

Each one thanked me for making them better.
 
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