forums

A Few Guys Arguing Non-Stop [F/K/A "Let’s check on Lane Kiffen"]

gogeta4 said:
Me and @Rellyrell been going at it for years in reference to Mario Cristobal so h e knows where i stand on that lol....( Most of what is aid about him has already come to fruition and that is in year 1).

its a solid back n forth honestly...

My preference of the two was the Lane Train. But can admit to the deficiancies and strength of both.

the rest of you ninjas is trolling and just talking to talk because i dont think yall even believe what yall are typing.
Click to expand...

But, let’s be clear, Mario still wasn’t my first choice; & if imma be honest bro, if we were throwing $8m+, chit I would’ve went all out for Meyer. I know this school wanna keep a squeaky clean image, while I don’t mind a little bit of dirt (or a whole lotta of it), so I was content w/ option B, in my opinion, w/ Cristobal.
 
Advertisement
gogeta4 said:
But ive stated this before ...Ole Miss is a program that has always used the portal...they have a juco system in their state and them and MISS State routinely placed and sign those types and transfers.

Now what i do believe is ...Lane knows he is in the pressure cooker of the sec west....He likely sees for him to get over the hump or really be competitive he will need to be more portal heavy than typically and has went with that strategy. Hes pretty much stated it himself.

Had he came here like Mario after his first 2 or so years i doubt he wouldve been or would be portal heavy because recruiting talent here in miami out of high school is just at a different level done a place like Ole Miss.
Click to expand...

Their JUCO is high end, too. A lot of talent have come through there.
 
WanderFranco said:
"Your not on the level to discuyss recruiting with me really."

Why did you take this out? Too many spelling mistakes?

So poor Lane is stuck at a place that won't let him showcase his immense talent?
Click to expand...
You aren't on a level to discuss it with him.

Be like me teaching women what child birth is like.
 
Advertisement
WanderFranco said:
Believe what you want. Doesn't change anything. Lane is an above-average coach who gets attention because he's arrogant and sends out funny tweets. He's not a program builder or a championship coach.
Click to expand...
I hear you.
In my opinion neither is our current coach at this point in time.

I got Lane as a better overall coach for my reasons. Mario has a great shot here to become a better one.
 
Advertisement
Rellyrell said:
U keep bringing up way better offensively; what has that equated to at the P5 level?

One minute u say wins & losses are not the barometer, but yet u keep bringing up wins & losses. So if we wanna bring up wins & losses, let’s tell the whole story while giving two fcks about context; b/c, Lord knows ya’ll hate context w/ Mario at FIU. So let’s stop the bull chit & just be black & white:

Did Mario suck year 1 here at Miami? Yes!
Did Kiffin suck year 1 at Ole Miss? Yes!

Did Mario suck at FIU? Yes!
Did Kiffin suck at FAU? No!

Did Mario suck w/ UO? No!
Did Kiffin suck at SC? Yes!
Did Kiffin suck at UTenn? Yes!
Did Kiffin suck w/ The Oak Raiders? Yes!
Is Kiffin currently sucking w/ Ole Miss 2022? Yes!

So tally ‘em up & see how much better of a coach Kiffin is based upon “history.”

If U remove FAU from his résumé, Kiffin’s HC record at the P5 level is 58-34 (.630). & Since ya’ll like to include everything, it’s 63-49 (.563) at the P5 & NFL level.

If I were to remove Cristobal’s FIU record, he’s 40-20 (.670)

So in essence, Kiffin is a much better coach b/c of his time at FAU compared to Mario’s time at FIU. U’re in love w/ a glorified G5 coach who has struggled against better competition, while dogging a guy who struggled as a 1st time HC at arguably the worst FBS program in America (not a hyperbole, literally stats validates this), yet became an accomplished P5 coach?

This is what we call an irony.
Click to expand...
18 wins in 2 years at ole miss 8s not sucking and you know that. Thats 9 wins per year.

Kiffin is better because he wins more games. Record proves that.

Kiffin made it to the nfl. Had mario?

Ole miss doesnt win as much as oregon. Doesn't have the resources of oregon. Doesn't have the talent pool of oregon.
 
Advertisement
Rellyrell said:
But, let’s be clear, Mario still wasn’t my first choice; & if imma be honest bro, if we were throwing $8m+, chit I would’ve went all out for Meyer. I know this school wanna keep a squeaky clean image, while I don’t mind a little bit of dirt (or a whole lotta of it), so I was content w/ option B, in my opinion, w/ Cristobal.
Click to expand...
I felt the same way and wouldve thrown it at Meyer and watch himt ake it...which he wouldve.

Some of the reasons i like Lane is some of the same reasons i feel Meyer. Looking for the squeaky clean image or guy AINT US...so why even fool yourself with it.

I wondered with Cristobal how he would build a staff....i know he isnt a good game day coach as ive watched it since FIU....I know he was a BEASTLY recruiter as ive watched that since Rutgers. So im not actually surprised our recruiting class looks the way it is...my opinion was Mario would forever be available to us....if you shooting high with the money..shoot your shot Big Time...or get ya bang for ya buck with a Lane Kiffin type for 3-4 years.

I would say if Mario gets it turned around he will be here for bout 10 years lol this is his peak.
 
WanderFranco said:
And I hear that. We just happen to be in a Lane recruiting thread and people keep bringing it back to Mario.
Click to expand...
The sole reason there is a Lane recruiting thread is to prop up Mario....but you know that ...why on earth else would we be discussing Ole Miss recruiting in the first place?.
 
Advertisement
Rellyrell said:
What I’ve learned from Kiffin fans is that facts r ignored, scenarios r dreamed up, & when pushed in a corner, they’ll turn their attention to yr 1 for Mario here, while somehow excusing yr 1 for Kiffin at Ole Miss due to Covid, while also criticizing Mario for “lucking” into winning The PAC-12 due to Covid?? Weird.

One minute Kiffin is a top 25 recruiter, but he can’t recruit at Ole Miss b/c no one wants to go there. One minute he’s a great X’s & O guy where everyone wants to play in his offense, but for some reason he can’t recruit well enough for players to play in his offense, although he’s a top 25 recruiter?? Oh, & his coaching acumen is tampered b/c he doesn’t have the talent to compete w/ Bama, LSU, & UGA, but apparently he doesn’t have the talent to compete w/ Arkansas (avg. rank 26th since 2020), Miss St (avg. rank 29th since 2020), & Texas Tech either (avg. rank 49th since 2020)???

It’s hard to keep up w/ the bouncing ball. What’s funny is that I’ve never hated Kiffin; I think he’s immature & is overrated, but his fanboys here in our community literally makes me hate him. Not sure who’s worst: Kiffin fan boys, Jay Z fan boys, LBJ fan boys, or Ye fan boys.
Click to expand...
LBJ Fan boys by 1/2" of receding hairline...
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
18 wins in 2 years at ole miss 8s not sucking and you know that. Thats 9 wins per year.

Kiffin is better because he wins more games. Record proves that.

Kiffin made it to the nfl. Had mario?

Ole miss doesnt win as much as oregon. Doesn't have the resources of oregon. Doesn't have the talent pool of oregon.
Click to expand...

Bro, U can’t discount yr 1 at Ole Miss, even though u just tried to.

I’ve already shown u that if u remove FAU from Kiffin’s resume, he has not.

Do you want to know y Kiffin got hired at the NFL level? B/c he was a hot name as an OC while at SC & the son of, at that time, one of the most respected DCs in the NFL. The NFL is an organization full of nepotism. Regardless, Mark Davis will tell u Al’s biggest hiring regrets were Tom Cable & Lane Kiffin (& no, I’m not making that up).

U’re stating Mississippi doesn’t have the talent pool of Oregon? Lol. Mississippi is in the heart of the SEC. Oregon has to rely upon outside states to funnel talent to them. I agree their resources r not on par w/ Oregon, since Oregon has one of the wealthiest & most influential boosters in the entire world, but let’s not act like Ole Miss’ resources r not on par w/ 80% of the SEC.

Once upon a time, Ole Miss was a very, VERY good program. In the 70’s under Vaught, they were **** good. David Cutcliffe had them as a solid program in the late 90’s - early 2000’s. It was Ed O who sank them. Under Houston Nutt & Hugh Freeze, they saw a resurgence, but the program was dirty under both coaches.

If imma be honest, I think they r still dirty. I have a segment of my dad’s side of the family that r big Ole Miss fans & another segment who r AU fans b/c my lil cousin played there. Mississippi care about their sports & it’s a state that have a plethora of talent, bruh.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Lane has recruited well at ole miss and is a top 20 recruiter. No one has changed in that. Average his classes at ole miss.
Click to expand...


Simply not true.

"Recruited well at Ole Miss" - by what standard? For HS/JC recruiting, he averages a HS/JC class rank of 28.5. His overall rank is 22. He is only helped by an average TRANSFER class rank of 20, which is all due to the last two years (2 in 22 and 13 currently). And I've already shown that Lane's classes are "bottom-three-in-the-SEC" for 3 of his 4 classes thus far.

Here are Lane's NUMBERS

2020 - 17 HS/JC - 5 Portal
2021 - 25 HS/JC - 4 Portal
2022 - 18 HS/JC - 17 Portal
2023 - 12 HS/JC - 6 Portal (thus far)

Here are Lane's RANKS

2020 - 34 HS/JC - 16 Portal - 33 Overall - (12/14 SEC)
2021 - 17 HS/JC - 49 Portal - 17 Overall - (6/14 SEC)
2022 - 27 HS/JC - 2 Portal - 15 Overall - (12/14 SEC)
2023 - 36 HS/JC - 13 Portal - 22 Overall - (13/14 SEC)

The analysis is beyond obvious for anyone with a brain and eyes. Kiffin has had ONE good recruiting cycle out of 4, his bump year. And as you can see, "Portal" didn't change the analysis in his first two years.

In fact, "Portal" has only obviously helped him ONCE (2022) and has the potential (and desperate need) to help him in 2023. Not only did Lane have a highly RATED Portal class last year, but it also brought up the average on his so-so HS/JC recruiting class.

But...and this is the critical issue...the ONLY reason that Kiffin did as well in the Portal in 2022 was QUANTITY. Ole Miss took 17 Portal transfers. The #1 class was USC...with TWENTY. That's it. Miami had the #12 Portal class, just 10 spots behind Ole Miss, with 11 transfers.

So if we actually think that Kiffin can sign 17 Portal transfers every year...good for him. Otherwise...he is NOT recruiting very well overall (closer to #30 than #20 as a recruiter), and he CERTAINLY is not out-recruiting the rest of the SEC. Except for Vandy.
 
Advertisement
Back
Top