A Few Guys Arguing Non-Stop [F/K/A "Let’s check on Lane Kiffen"]

[crossover22[]_[]]

Larry Coker is 86-47 as head coach, won a national championship and would have won a second if it hadn't been for the ******* Terry Porter.

Larry Coker is a better head coach than Lane Kiffin. Prove me wrong.

Larry Coker is 86-47 as head coach, won a national championship and would have won a second if it hadn't been for the ******* Terry Porter.

Larry Coker is a better head coach than Lane Kiffin. Prove me wrong.

He has a ring.

Their records are basically identical.

Since you decided to jump in. Prove that mario is better than lane as a coach.


lane took over fau after they won 9 games in 3 seasons and they won 27 over the next 3 seasons. Including 11 wins twice.

Mario has never done anything remotely comparable.

 

[JD08]

He has a ring.

Their records are basically identical.

Since you decided to jump in. Prove that mario is better than lane as a coach.


lane took over fau after they won 9 games in 3 seasons and they won 27 over the next 3 seasons. Including 11 wins twice.

Mario has never done anything remotely comparable.

Do you think Mario's time at FIU (27-47 2007-2012) is more of an indicator of his ability than Oregon (35-13 2017-2021)?

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Do you think Mario's time at FIU (27-47 2007-2012) is more of an indicator of his ability than Oregon (35-13 2017-2021)?

I think they both paint a picture of a average coach and great recruiter.

The same way lanes record at fau, usc, ole miss paint a picture of a better coach that wins more games and improves teams quicker.

mario was fired from fiu. How does a elite coach get fired from a **** team?

 

[gogeta4]

I am impressed by the time-space-continuum distortions that are going on in this thread.

I realize that TODAY...yes, FAU and FIU may be on the "same level playing field". But that was not my original comparison.

My comparison was...where was FIU when Mario took over...compared to FAU when Lane Train took over...

A. FIU when Mario took over - First, FIU had only had a football program for 5 seasons. Don Strock was the head coach for those 5 seasons. Only the final 2 of those seasons were Division I-A seasons. The prior 3 seasons were as a I-AA independent. And while we can argue about the NCAA vacating 10 wins over FIU's second, third, and fourth years, we cannot argue with the fact that FIU lost all 12 games in the year before Mario was hired.

B. FAU when Lane Train took over - First FAU had a football program for 16 seasons, 13 of which were in Division I-A. FAU won two bowl games before Lane Train's arrival, and had been conference co-champ for one of those years. And FAU was coached by Howard Schnellenberger, Carl Pellini, and Charlie Partridge before Lane's arrival, not Don Strock. There was enough talent stocked on FAU to allow Lane Train to actually do something more than 1-11 in Year 1. Plus, FAU was already in C-USA when Lane Train pulled in, while Mario was at FIU when they were in the Sunbelt, and it was Mario's success than enabled FIU to jump into the C-USA.

Different situations.

Im not comparing him to Lane. Im comparing FIU to FAU and they are the same exact thing and are rivals. Im alumni to one of the schools and know the history through and through on both schools.

FIU is located in the midle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country in any division other than power 5 they would/should have a talent advantage with just a competent coach. Hence you see FAU usually a competent program even without recruiting that well in state or locally.

 

[JD08]

I think they both paint a picture of a average coach and great recruiter.

The same way lanes record at fau, usc, ole miss paint a picture of a better coach that wins more games and improves teams quicker.

mario was fired from fiu. How does a elite coach get fired from a **** team?

At least he wasn't left on the tarmac.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

He has a ring.

Their records are basically identical.

Since you decided to jump in. Prove that mario is better than lane as a coach.


lane took over fau after they won 9 games in 3 seasons and they won 27 over the next 3 seasons. Including 11 wins twice.

Mario has never done anything remotely comparable.

Again, if Semantics Bullsh!tting was an Olympic sport, you would win a gold medal.

First, you ignore the fact that Mario took over a WORSE program (in FIU, with 15 actual wins in its only 5 seasons, but only 5 non-vacated wins in those 5 seasons) and took the program to two bowl games and one conference co-championship. Which is, of course "remotely comparable", regardless of whether you want to ONLY focus on one data point (wins total). I've already described why Lane Train had a more advantageous "starting point" at FAU, having followed the program-building of Schnellenberger and Pellini and Partridge, while Mario inherited a winless team that had ALL of the wins from the preceding three seasons vacated. If you cannot acknowledge that Lane Train had a program-wide headstart, then you are simply a liar.

Second, you ignore the fact that Mario won 9, 10, and 12 games in his 3 non-COVID seasons at PAC-12 Oregon, plus Oregon played in three conference championship games, winning two. So while Mario had a "headstart", so to speak at Oregon (compared to Lane's starting position at FAU), Mario's accomplishments were clearly in a TOUGHER CONFERENCE with far better teams than the C-USA. So, again, "remotely comparable". To argue otherwise would also make you a liar.

 

[DTP]

No, no one should be surprised. It’s called evaluation, & coaching. Yes, Clemson hit on some 5 star players, but as I’ve pointed out numerous times, Clemson also hit on a lot of 3 star guys who were outstanding.

-Leggett
-Renfrow (not rated iirc)
-Tankersley
-Simmons
-Muse
-Wallace
-The LB w/ the roll on the back of his neck whose name escapes me.

There’s others but the names escape me.

A lot of people think Dabo just stockpiled top 3 classes over and over to win those chips. They hit on some 5 star guys but they mostly recruited to what they were trying to do on offense and defense. You’ve gotta have a recruiting game plan. And you NEED to hit on QBs.

 

[gogeta4]

Again, if Semantics Bullsh!tting was an Olympic sport, you would win a gold medal.

First, you ignore the fact that Mario took over a WORSE program (in FIU, with 15 actual wins in its only 5 seasons, but only 5 non-vacated wins in those 5 seasons) and took the program to two bowl games and one conference co-championship. Which is, of course "remotely comparable", regardless of whether you want to ONLY focus on one data point (wins total). I've already described why Lane Train had a more advantageous "starting point" at FAU, having followed the program-building of Schnellenberger and Pellini and Partridge, while Mario inherited a winless team that had ALL of the wins from the preceding three seasons vacated. If you cannot acknowledge that Lane Train had a program-wide headstart, then you are simply a liar.

Second, you ignore the fact that Mario won 9, 10, and 12 games in his 3 non-COVID seasons at PAC-12 Oregon, plus Oregon played in three conference championship games, winning two. So while Mario had a "headstart", so to speak at Oregon (compared to Lane's starting position at FAU), Mario's accomplishments were clearly in a TOUGHER CONFERENCE with far better teams than the C-USA. So, again, "remotely comparable". To argue otherwise would also make you a liar.

Your saying all that to say.....we went 5-7 last year and looked like sh*t. I dont care what he did at sw 8th street.
His *** better show some improvement starting this next year or he wont make it to year 4 here....cause we gonna be flying banners by year 3.

This recruiting class is a great foundation....he has to build on that.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

At least he wasn't left on the tarmac.

Is that the bar with which head coaches are judged?

One was fired by usc. The other by fiu.

Can you name a metric other than wins that head coaches are judged by?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Im not comparing him to Lane. Im comparing FIU to FAU and they are the same exact thing and are rivals. Im alumni to one of the schools and know the history through and through on both schools.

FIU is located in the midle of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country in any division other than power 5 they would/should have a talent advantage with just a competent coach. Hence you see FAU usually a competent program even without recruiting that well in state or locally.

Look, you have SUCH a great posting record on this site, you are nowhere near the hacky level that crossover is. There is no need to lower yourself to his level in this regard.

To somehow claim that FIU is "better" in 2022 than it was when Mario took over in 2007...because they are in a "fertile recruiting ground"? Come on, man, you're better than this. You're no "crossover".

Just admit the reality, FIU was terrible pre-2007. Three total years of history in Division I-A. A winless season in 2006. THREE years with all (ten total) victories vacated. I don't give a **** how "fertile" South Florida is or was, FIU was THE WORST when Mario took over.

We are not comparing FIU to FAU in 2022. That's not the basis of the argument when trying to compare what Mario did to what Lane Train did. If we all want to stay on topic, then we'd **** WELL better be comparing FIU 2007 to FAU 2017.

Because THAT is the relevant comparison for purposes of this thread.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Your saying all that to say.....we went 5-7 last year and looked like sh*t. I dont care what he did at sw 8th street.
His *** better show some improvement starting this next year or he wont make it to year 4 here....cause we gonna be flying banners by year 3.

This recruiting class is a great foundation....he has to build on that.

Nobody argued anything differently. That's just more goalpost relocation.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Again, if Semantics Bullsh!tting was an Olympic sport, you would win a gold medal.

First, you ignore the fact that Mario took over a WORSE program (in FIU, with 15 actual wins in its only 5 seasons, but only 5 non-vacated wins in those 5 seasons) and took the program to two bowl games and one conference co-championship. Which is, of course "remotely comparable", regardless of whether you want to ONLY focus on one data point (wins total). I've already described why Lane Train had a more advantageous "starting point" at FAU, having followed the program-building of Schnellenberger and Pellini and Partridge, while Mario inherited a winless team that had ALL of the wins from the preceding three seasons vacated. If you cannot acknowledge that Lane Train had a program-wide headstart, then you are simply a liar.

Second, you ignore the fact that Mario won 9, 10, and 12 games in his 3 non-COVID seasons at PAC-12 Oregon, plus Oregon played in three conference championship games, winning two. So while Mario had a "headstart", so to speak at Oregon (compared to Lane's starting position at FAU), Mario's accomplishments were clearly in a TOUGHER CONFERENCE with far better teams than the C-USA. So, again, "remotely comparable". To argue otherwise would also make you a liar.

Lol word salad.

Win record is what coaches are judged on.

You act as if fau was a juggernaut. They won 3 games a year before lane got there. He took them to 11 wins twice.

I wouldn't argue the pac is a difficult conference. Oregon literally had 0 competition. Usc sucked, ucla sucked, stanford sucked, oh yea utah dog walked mario multiple times.


You have still yet to show 1 single thing that makes mario a better head coach.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Look, you have SUCH a great posting record on this site, you are nowhere near the hacky level that crossover is. There is no need to lower yourself to his level in this regard.

To somehow claim that FIU is "better" in 2022 than it was when Mario took over in 2007...because they are in a "fertile recruiting ground"? Come on, man, you're better than this. You're no "crossover".

Just admit the reality, FIU was terrible pre-2007. Three total years of history in Division I-A. A winless season in 2006. THREE years with all (ten total) victories vacated. I don't give a **** how "fertile" South Florida is or was, FIU was THE WORST when Mario took over.

We are not comparing FIU to FAU in 2022. That's not the basis of the argument when trying to compare what Mario did to what Lane Train did. If we all want to stay on topic, then we'd **** WELL better be comparing FIU 2007 to FAU 2017.

Because THAT is the relevant comparison for purposes of this thread.

Looks whos moving goal posts.


Gogeta you are a better poster than cross. Bahahahahahaha. Female ****.

 

[JD08]

Is that the bar with which head coaches are judged?

One was fired by usc. The other by fiu.

Can you name a metric other than wins that head coaches are judged by?

You're judging Mario by games he coached over 10 years ago at a school that has yet to win 10 games in a season. You're claiming those games negate the last four years he was head coach of a P5 school. Do you think that's a fair comparison?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Is that the bar with which head coaches are judged?

One was fired by usc. The other by fiu.

Can you name a metric other than wins that head coaches are judged by?

Stop being dopey.

First, Kiffin was ALSO fired at Oakland, and before you go all cvnty by trying to 'splain away the Oakland firing, I'd point out that Mario was having massive fights with Pete Garcia prior to being fired at FIU.

Second, there are other metrics by which head coaches are judged, particularly if they take on rather difficult "turnaround" jobs. Howard Schellenberger may never get into the College Football Hall of Fame because he specialized in turning around near-dead programs. And the same thing is true of The People's Hero Mike Leach, who went to schools with very little prior record of winning a lot of games.

Are you going to ****e on Schnellenberger and Leach over their winning percentages?

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

You're judging Mario by games he coached over 10 years ago at a school that has yet to win 10 games in a season. You're claiming those games negate the last four years he was head coach of a P5 school. Do you think that's a fair comparison?

Am i including lanes time at fau?

Im judging both coaches using the same criteria.

How is it unfair to judge them both by their overall records seeing as their careers are pretty similar in games coached?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Am i including lanes time at fau?

Im judging both coaches using the same criteria.

How is it unfair to judge them both by their overall records seeing as their careers are pretty similar in games coached?

This is exactly why you are a fraudulent fvcktard. You are trying to claim that there is a "fair judgment" based on the NUMBER of games they have coached, while ignoring any comparison of the quality of places where they have coached, and the nature of the accomplishments BASED ON the quality of where they have coached.

 

[JD08]

Am i including lanes time at fau?

Im judging both coaches using the same criteria.

How is it unfair to judge them both by their overall records seeing as their careers are pretty similar in games coached?

FAU was after his firing. Let's look at their records after being fired and being purified by the Bama rehab program.

Mario 40-20 .667
Lane 49-25 .662

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Stop being dopey.

First, Kiffin was ALSO fired at Oakland, and before you go all cvnty by trying to 'splain away the Oakland firing, I'd point out that Mario was having massive fights with Pete Garcia prior to being fired at FIU.

Second, there are other metrics by which head coaches are judged, particularly if they take on rather difficult "turnaround" jobs. Howard Schellenberger may never get into the College Football Hall of Fame because he specialized in turning around near-dead programs. And the same thing is true of The People's Hero Mike Leach, who went to schools with very little prior record of winning a lot of games.

Are you going to ****e on Schnellenberger and Leach over their winning percentages?

You literally used lane getting fired from the NFL as a way to make him look bad. He got a NFL coaching job.

Has mario?



Lol at comparing a guy with a ring to mario. Mike leach was 158-107 for his career. Mario is 67-67.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

FAU was after his firing. Let's look at their records after being fired and being purified by the Bama rehab program.

Mario 40-20 .667
Lane 49-25 .662

So exclude the other years to make mario look better.

Come on jd.


One coaches in the SEC while the other was in the PAC. Lanes record is much better based purely off strength of schedule in the scenario you presented.