forums

A Few Guys Arguing Non-Stop [F/K/A "Let’s check on Lane Kiffen"]

SayWhat said:
Does Kiffin get a pass for his time at FAU?

Asking for a friend.

Making new arguments every time one posts. Sounds about right.
Click to expand...
Oh look who isn’t done. I’m shocked.

Are we comparing the FAU who had already won bowl games with 0-12 FIU? That’s how desperate you are?
 
Advertisement
TrumpyCane said:
Richt won 9 games because Golden left him NFL talent scattered throughout the roster

TrumpyCane wants to know if you think the roster left by Golden and Diaz are in anyway similar?
Click to expand...
i believe there are plenty of NFL players on our roster. We were a top 15 talented team last year so yes plenty will be drafted. Not to say many will be early picks.

I dont think the talent was at miami level but i do believe it was enough to beat mtsu, pitt, and duke.
 
Rellyrell said:
Yeah from his early yrs at SC, which I’ve already clearly defined & have shown his trajectory since, but let’s not let any of that get in the way; let’s hold on to the fact he won recruiter of the year in 2006 & secured his only two top 5 classes 11 going on 12 yrs ago. Lol

Boy, if Miami actually had the fan base like Kiffin fans, this site might become CIS again.
Click to expand...
So what data points are acceptable? Only his time at ole miss? How about just his time as a P5 coach?
 
JD08 said:
Lane regressed from10 wins to 8. That's what good coaches do.
Click to expand...
Mario regressed from 12 to 10 while at the clemson of the PAC.


Lane lost to bama and lsu at ole miss

Mario lost to utah and stanford with twice the talent at oregon.


Is that what good coaches do?
 
Advertisement
crossover22[]_[] said:
Mario regressed from 12 to 10 while at the clemson of the PAC.


Lane lost to bama and lsu at ole miss

Mario lost to utah and stanford with twice the talent at oregon.


Is that what good coaches do?
Click to expand...
I love how Lane only lost to Bama and LSU now. No mention of Arkansas or Texas Tech.
 
Advertisement
Advertisement
Now he’s saying that losing to the 10-win pac12 champ is about the same as losing to Arkansas.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, you can try to play semantics games on what constitutes a "strategy". Even your own definition indicates a "plan to achieve". Which is something you do in advance, and not when you've run out of options. I would guess that General Custer's final "strategy" was to fight to the death, to fight to the very last man, but I don't think that was his "strategy" a few days earlier.

I've already posted snapshots, Lane's recruiting classes have been rated among the three worst in the SEC for 3 of his 4 years. Only his "bump class" made it up to 6th best in the SEC. And with 8 SEC games each year, Lane isn't going to be earning contract extensions by beating up on 4 OOC teams each year.

I do not deny that he has done fairly well with the little talent he has assembled. He played the Portal brilliantly for ONE YEAR (so far, and Year 2 is To Be Determined).

Here's what he's done thus far:

Y2 (bump class, best class) - 25 HS/JC recruits and 4 transfers
Y3 (Rise of the Portal) - 18 HS/JC recruits and 17 transfers
Y4 (still in progress) - 12 HS/JC recruits and 6 transfers (thus far)

Now, the reason I discount whether Lane will get many more HS/JC recruits for 2023 is that (a) there aren't many left, and (b) there aren't many who list Ole Miss as a finalist. But I certainly do not deny that he can rack up more transfers.

So you're trying to act like this is a "strategy". But let's analyze Y3 (last year). Because the vast majority of the 17 transfers selected Ole Miss as a transfer desination in 2022, after most of the HS recruiting was OVER. Only TWO Ole Miss transfers chose Ole Miss in December 2021, while the high school class was still being recruited.

And, as I suspected, exactly TEN of the Ole Miss transfers chose Ole Miss from the period from January 29, 2022 (a few days before the second high school Signing Day) to June 2022.

Which means that Lane's ORIGINAL "strategy" was to sign 18 HS/JC kids and then take 7 transfers. The OTHER 10 transfers came about because of a desperate CHANGE in strategy that was made possible by the suspension of IC rules.

And now we fast forward to the current time, when we already know that it is POSSIBLE to take 18 HS kids and 17 transfers. And yet...Lane...voluntarily(?)...cuts his HS/JC signees by 50%, only taking TWELVE?

It just doesn't make any rational sense. You can call it a "strategy", but he did it ONE TIME when he couldn't sign more HS kids and the IC rules were suspended. Yay. NOT A STRATEGY. More like a lurch, because the original plan didn't work out.

As for this year? What, is his strategy to take 25 Portal transfers? Fine. Let's see...


75tl8a.jpg
Click to expand...
If you are only using his time at ole miss (3 most recent years out of his entire career) then it can be argued his recruiting has been avg if you don't take into account the portal. I just think only using the most recent 3 years is very limiting when there is much more information/data out there. It would be like only using marios first year here to say he is a bum.

And it's not semanrics when you define a term. It's the literal definition of what he is doing.
 
Advertisement
crossover22[]_[] said:
Mario regressed from 12 to 10 while at the clemson of the PAC.


Lane lost to bama and lsu at ole miss

Mario lost to utah and stanford with twice the talent at oregon.


Is that what good coaches do?
Click to expand...
And LSU. And Arkansas. And Texas Tech.

In year 3.

He's a good enough gameday coach with great PR and a personality.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
No i look at entire careers. Been known from the beginning of this thread.

85-47 is lanes entire career

67-67 is marios entire career.

Keep up.
Click to expand...
No one cares about career records. Winning a P5 championship is more relevant than how anyone did in CUSA.
 
Advertisement
Back
Top