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77cane
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While I do not like our defensive philosophy, there are too many delusional fans that actually believe we have talent on defense. This is the worse talent I have ever seen on the defensive line, and I have been following this team since the mid 70's. The linebacker core is also lacking impact players.On the front 7 our most promising players are freshmen and a couple of sophomores.
We all agree 2010 and 2011 were lost recruiting years which have wiped out any depth. 2012 had a lot of quality but is low on numbers. Many are in denial, but the NCAA B.S. weakened our efforts greatly and put is a couple of years behind in progress- which it was intended to do.
We may find out indeed coaching changes may be needed in a couple of years, but lets no pretend that this past years team was talented - it was not
In retrospect we lost 4 games to teams that were better than us because they have better players (and that includes Duke) Especially without Duke Johnson.
As of now we need a major influx of quality talent more than new coaching. First things first.
Also I may add, we could use a quarterback who can actually sustain a drive and show some fire. I did not enjoy the Russel-Morris who gives a sh*t snickers bowl.
We all agree 2010 and 2011 were lost recruiting years which have wiped out any depth. 2012 had a lot of quality but is low on numbers. Many are in denial, but the NCAA B.S. weakened our efforts greatly and put is a couple of years behind in progress- which it was intended to do.
We may find out indeed coaching changes may be needed in a couple of years, but lets no pretend that this past years team was talented - it was not
In retrospect we lost 4 games to teams that were better than us because they have better players (and that includes Duke) Especially without Duke Johnson.
As of now we need a major influx of quality talent more than new coaching. First things first.
Also I may add, we could use a quarterback who can actually sustain a drive and show some fire. I did not enjoy the Russel-Morris who gives a sh*t snickers bowl.
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Reading Lu's posts just reaffirms that Golden needs to go. I myself have been guilty of focusing on Onfrio. Onfrio is just his puppet. Both the scheme AND philosophy belong to Golden.
It's the end of Coker/Shannon's tenure all over again. Large buyout...and a school that either doesn't have or is too cheap to pay said buyout....and a desperate fan base that is sick of witnessing what this inept administration has done to our beloved program.
To sum it up....we're basically self imposing additional sanctions to ourselves at this point.
It's the end of Coker/Shannon's tenure all over again. Large buyout...and a school that either doesn't have or is too cheap to pay said buyout....and a desperate fan base that is sick of witnessing what this inept administration has done to our beloved program.
To sum it up....we're basically self imposing additional sanctions to ourselves at this point.
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Fair, but I have to ask if you think some of those players are as bad as they have looked?
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If Duke has better players, it's because they were developed better by a better coaching staff. If you think Duke's recruiting classes have actually been more talented than Miami's, then it's also a failure by the staff. Any way you slice it, the staff is at fault.
Great thread,these guys grew up playing attacking style defense.We don't get enough push rushing only four people. Its not rocket science, why don't we run any fire zone blitzes. Our defense is so predictable ,they show where they are coming from,that's on the coaches. On offense can we please throw the ball one time when Malcolm Lewis is on the field in that one wide out set,my girlfriend even knew we were going to run.I know we don't have quality depth but watching Louisville curb stomp a Miami team with no emotion or fire was frustrating!I know Shala has something to do with the current state of the program.
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Hopefully no one is arguing that our defense has enough talent to be an elite unit. Any time you are playing Green, Cornelius, Gaines, Highsmith, etc. extended snaps, you're not going to be elite. But, are you honestly going to tell me that out of the 89 teams that finished above us in total defense, that at least 1/3 of them wouldn't swap a majority of their defensive players for ours? Are you suggesting that our talent on D is so bad that almost every team, offenses good and terrible, should be able to put up season highs against us? In year 3? And if that's the case, you're saying that Golden and Coach D aren't to blame for much of that?
FSU lights us up - fine, they're a great offensive team. But we gave up more than 400 yards to all but 4 teams (FAU, USF, Savannah State and Wake, and Wake was close and well above their season average), and 500 yds to what, 6 teams? You can't tell me that guys like Chick, Perryman, Pierre, Howard, Bush, Jenkins, etc aren't good enough to prevent that from happening. I just do not believe that.
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How about PM this to someone (if you must...or better yet, just let it go) rather than detracting from the discussion in this thread again?
Anyways, good post, Lu. At this point (i.e. after this large of a sample size from which to judge), it's really hard to continue hoping that Al will shift (or somehow is shifting)his approach towards aggression, being proactive instead of reactive, and other similar attributes that we all want to see but which we sorely lack.
I keep trying to convince myself that, deep down, Al recognizes the flaws in our approach and overall mentality, and the seemingly inevitable results thereof (because who the **** can't, right? Right??). I'm telling myself that he's been handcuffed to whatever extent by personnel, or maybe even by his own inclination to "reward" the seniors who "stood with the U during the NCAA mess", and that he knows better, but either way now he's free from those constraints and we're headed to where we all want to be.
It's getting very difficult to listen to myself try to convince myself. Seems I'm hoping against hope. Against all odds and everything reasonable. Hanging by a thread because...what else is there to do? I'm a 'Cane for life.
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how is the wife and husband analogy bad?? lol its brilliant
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We suck again.
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OK. I read the OP. I understand the OP. I agree with some of it. Some of it is meh/regurgitation of dead horses long since beaten. What the OP doesn't give me is a clear point. There's a lot of text there, and it leads us to a conclusion that "The only success that matters to most fans is winning". Hey, I agree with that 100%. But, what are the "bold steps"? What are the "core values" that need to be adjusted? Is it possible that our players are always a step behind because they are either not good enough or smart enough football players? Did Highsmith not go up and pick that long pass play to Benjamin (I believe?) because the scheme/philosophy weren't good enough, or because he wasn't good enough? He was there to make the play. We very often saw similar plays throughout the season...someone was there to make a play, and did not. Other times, we saw no one even close to making a play. Is there any scheme that anyone would devise that would allow that to happen? Just allow receivers to run free, completely uncovered?
OK, so we know that the defense sucks and that the coaches need to do a better job. What about the offense? Where's the outrage that our senior QB and talented, experienced OL led us to 0-11 on 3rd down, 14 first downs, 174 total yards, and only ONE drive exceeding 2:40? Not in the OP, and not in the vast majority of posts here or anywhere else. The offense, IMO, is far more damning to Golden than the defense. We have some huge holes on the defense depth chart, but the offense was supposed to be loaded.
No one knows how this thing is going to play out. I support the coach and the program and wish for their collective success. If the administration decides to make a change, I'll support whoever they bring in. If AG makes changes to his staff, then that's fine by me. Based on the condition of the program at the Randy/Golden transition, I firmly believed this to be a long-term rebuild, and I see nothing that suggests that I was wrong on that. I don't know if Golden is the right guy or not, but I know he is improving the talent level (at least on paper) on the field and the overall perception off the field. If he isn't the guy in the end, the next coach is going to have a lot more to work with than AG did when he got here.
OK, so we know that the defense sucks and that the coaches need to do a better job. What about the offense? Where's the outrage that our senior QB and talented, experienced OL led us to 0-11 on 3rd down, 14 first downs, 174 total yards, and only ONE drive exceeding 2:40? Not in the OP, and not in the vast majority of posts here or anywhere else. The offense, IMO, is far more damning to Golden than the defense. We have some huge holes on the defense depth chart, but the offense was supposed to be loaded.
No one knows how this thing is going to play out. I support the coach and the program and wish for their collective success. If the administration decides to make a change, I'll support whoever they bring in. If AG makes changes to his staff, then that's fine by me. Based on the condition of the program at the Randy/Golden transition, I firmly believed this to be a long-term rebuild, and I see nothing that suggests that I was wrong on that. I don't know if Golden is the right guy or not, but I know he is improving the talent level (at least on paper) on the field and the overall perception off the field. If he isn't the guy in the end, the next coach is going to have a lot more to work with than AG did when he got here.
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There should never be another Corch D thread bashing him to the ends of the earth. This is all on Goldy and the system he is wanting to run. Al will not fire Ono, because he knows himself that it is his fault for the defenses failures.
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As long as we're in this stadium, I conclude we have no idea what we are doing, and therefore I have no expectations. Saves plenty of headaches.
The people making the decisions are overmatched in this area, and therefore they'll hire less than brilliant coaches, who will recruit less than brilliant players.
Everything else is just noise. It reminds me of presidential campaigns, when Chris Matthews and others in the media are licensed to fixate on the trivia of the day, whether it's a gaffe or the latest jobs report. Meanwhile, it's basically irrelevant. The result was cemented long ago by big picture variables. In 2012, an incumbent whose party was in power only one term was not going to lose. That's the most favorable situational scenario in American politics.
I'll continue to buy season tickets and attend the games, and occasionally comment here, but I think you guys are mostly wasting your time if you think we can fully overcome that stadium situation, and everything it represents.
The people making the decisions are overmatched in this area, and therefore they'll hire less than brilliant coaches, who will recruit less than brilliant players.
Everything else is just noise. It reminds me of presidential campaigns, when Chris Matthews and others in the media are licensed to fixate on the trivia of the day, whether it's a gaffe or the latest jobs report. Meanwhile, it's basically irrelevant. The result was cemented long ago by big picture variables. In 2012, an incumbent whose party was in power only one term was not going to lose. That's the most favorable situational scenario in American politics.
I'll continue to buy season tickets and attend the games, and occasionally comment here, but I think you guys are mostly wasting your time if you think we can fully overcome that stadium situation, and everything it represents.
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Lu, correct me if I'm wrong here. It's been mentioned that Al can't seem to change his preconceived notions, and rather than match the program to the talent, he stated today that he's in fact going to double down on the ongoing disaster.
It's suggested that by firing D'Onofrio and handing over all defensive duties to a good DCoordinator, our problems will be improved. Here's my take - a really good, aggressive, quick defense will also by default - really improve our offense. Otherwise, Coley's offense would be finding themselves flat on the ground looking up after every play.
If we had a great defense - will the offense naturally be compelled to become great as well?
Could part of our offensive problems be due to a really ****poor defensive scheme, execution, attitude, and direction?
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Likewise, could part of our defensive problems be due to a really ****poor offensive scheme, execution, attitude, and direction?
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