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#6 Virginia @ #22 Miami (UVA -2.5) 12/20, 8:30PM EST, ACCN/ESPN+

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Miller has had back to back "off nights" or "quiet games" but he still gave us 10 and 5 and then 11 and 5, and had some key plays tonight. Omier only had 10 and 8, but he also only played 27 minutes because of foul trouble. He did have at least 4 blocks.
 
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Notsince1985 said:
Does the selection committee use RPI anymore? I know they use NET. Last year our NET was pretty bad all year. This year it's 61 while our RPI is 26. Either way, we're 12-1, 3-0 and have one more game against a 6-8 Vermont team before all ACC games.
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Unfortunately selection committee does not use RPI and does use NET.

HOWEVER they also use SOR and we are killing it on that metric right now. Probably top 7 after tonight’s win I would guess.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Yah, but the shooter stayed within his cylinder.

That's whst the referee looks at.

Draw a vertical cylinders around each player. It was clear Wong crossed into the UVA player's cylinder.

Again, if Wong plays it smart and just raises his hands without leaving his feet, then there's no foul call.
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Disagree, he was outside the cylinder. Guy changed the vertical cylinder jumping sideways.
 
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AmherstCane said:
Yeah but we need someone behind Omier cause I agree with you IF Miller and Omier and in the game… that end game line up tonight is gonna get mauled by a bigger athletic team.
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The way I look at it is, there are about 5-10 teams, maybe 15-20, MUCH longer than us, that if we don’t hit from deep…we are going to lose.

That said, this season will be fun. We just need to improve off the first step on defense. If our offense fails us, it will be like Maryland. We were atrocious, and their length beat us down.

Coach L said it early. Let’s have fun. We can beat anyone, and we can also be beat by the deeper teams down low teams by 10-20 if we are off. We are bad *** snipers this year depending on what we bring. Pray for no injuries and enjoy, that’s what I say.
 
TheU1984 said:
Good thing you don’t sports bet. You would’ve been facing a real dilemma when UVA had the final possession with 4 ticks left.
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Gotta be honest… I did not see Miami winning with 66 points. I thought that was our offensive floor… but I sure didn’t expect us to play defense like we did tonight.

What a great win!

And I guess the moral is don’t take betting advice from a guy who doesn’t bet lol.
 
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Spectacular team win!!!!

It cannot be understated that we just upset the #6 ranked team in the Nation & even if by inexact ranking standards UVA is clearly not the 6th best team in the Nation, they’re still a very very good team.

Another great Herculean effort by Wong putting the team on his back & displaying his top notch leadership, lead us in points like he normally does & had some really timely buckets when we needed him. Shooting 7-13 from the floor, 2-3 from 3 & 8-9 from the FT line, he was the primary reason why we won.

At one point in the game we had as large as a 17pt lead on UVA, but in classic UVA fashion, they lull you to sleep & slow down the game & start making shots to turn everything in their favor. The score might indicate the game might’ve looked closer than it really was, but from the tipoff we started out early & jumped to a quick 8 point lead & then went into halftime with a 10pt lead. We had a 17 & 15pt lead at stretches during the beginning of the 2nd half, but as time winded down UVA caught back up as Ben Vander Plas got hot from 3, but in actuality we lead the entirety of the game, & that is what’s most telling about this squad IMO. Of course people will say we almost lost, but the fact we controlled the game until a late run by UVA is actually a major credit to how good we really are & can be.

One of the biggest things I give props to Larra for is the fact he mixed up the rotations quite a bit throughout the game; he played 11 different guys in the 1st half, which kept UVA off balance throwing so many looks at them & disrupting their methodical rhythm on Offense in the first half. We actually played very good Defense in the 1st half forcing turnovers & bad shots & even finished the game with 7 blocks most of which occurred in the 1st half.

We didn’t have a great shooting night, only shot 39% from the floor which is our lowest shooting output we’ve had all season, but what does that say about this team that we shot 39% & still won a huge game like this against a really strong opponent? To me is says we’re actually better than we realize.

Ben Joseph had another very good game Defensively & making 2 good corner 3’s & had a really nice timely bucket on a step back jumper from the foul line when UVA was surging. His play has stepped up significantly & he’s been a reliable 6th man for us this season. He was also the only bench scorer for us, which is really crazy when you think about it...

Pack had a deep 3 with about a 1:40 left & clutch jumper when UVA had cut the lead down to 3.

Omier had a very good Defensive game with 8 rebounds 4blks & 2stls, he would’ve definitely had more rebs if didn’t foul out, but there were at least 2 questionable offensive foul calls that went against him that were bad calls IMO & he also got mugged pretty much the whole game in the paint by Caffaro & Shedrick.

But what this game overall solidified is that Miami & VA Tech are the top of the fckin food chain in the ACC, (Pitt is a sneaky good too lol), but the traditional powers of Duke & UNC are deeply flawed teams that while still having very good talent do not have the cornerstone coaching of Coach K & Roy Williams that used to be able to hide their deficiencies & coach them out of their mistakes. Duke & UNC this season, are regular good teams, meaning, they don’t have the Coaching advantages that they used to have, which makes them vulnerable & beatable.

It hasn’t been perfect by any standard, but being 12-1 at this point in the season cannot be deconstructed as simple luck or playing a weak schedule, we’re a legitimate top 10-15 team in the country right now & it stands within reason that by the time we hit the bulk of our toughest ACC opponents next month we’ll likely be ranked as such.

This team has shown the entire season that they can continuously weather the storm & get themselves out of nearly any adverse situation they find themselves in & that is a testament to the veteran leadership of guys like Wong & Miller & shows the poise this group has even when in multiple scenarios they’re supposed to crumble & lose, but yet they just won’t.

Winning these types of battles early in the season will pay dividends for us come tourney time, because the more this team can build up it’s backbone to withstand adversity, the tougher they’ll become in the long run with the ability to rise up to the occasion when it matters & win.

This might be the best team that Jim Larra has coached since 05 George Mason or 2012-13 Miami & the crazy part is, they’ve still haven’t played their best basketball yet... This feels like a team of destiny tbh.
 
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Memnon said:
Spectacular team win!!!!

It cannot be understated that we just upset the #6 ranked team in the Nation & even if by inexact ranking standards UVA is clearly not the 6th best team in the Nation, they’re still a very very good team.

Another great Herculean effort by Wong putting the team on his back & displaying his top notch leadership, lead us in points like he normally does & had some really timely buckets when we needed him. Shooting 7-13 from the floor, 2-3 from 3 & 8-9 from the FT line, he was the primary reason why we won.

At one point in the game we had as large as a 17pt lead on UVA, but in classic UVA fashion, they lull you to sleep & slow down the game & start making shots to turn everything in their favor. The score might indicate the game might’ve looked closer than it really was, but from the tipoff we started out early & jumped to a quick 8 point lead & then went into halftime with a 10pt lead. We had a 17 & 15pt lead at stretches during the beginning of the 2nd half, but as time winded down UVA caught back up as Ben Vander Plas got hot from 3, but in actuality we lead the entirety of the game, & that is what’s most telling about this squad IMO. Of course people will say we almost lost, but the fact we controlled the game until a late run by UVA is actually a major credit to how good we really are & can be.

One of the biggest things I give props to Larra for is the fact he mixed up the rotations quite a bit throughout the game; he played 11 different guys in the 1st half, which kept UVA off balance throwing so many looks at them & disrupting their methodical rhythm on Offense in the first half. We actually played very good Defense in the 1st half forcing turnovers & bad shots & even finished the game with 7 blocks most of which occurred in the 1st half.

We didn’t have a great shooting night, only shot 39% from the floor which is our lowest shooting output we’ve had all season, but what does that say about this team that we shot 39% & still won a huge game like this against a really strong opponent? To me is says we’re actually better than we realize.

Ben Joseph had another very good game Defensively & making 2 good corner 3’s & had a really nice timely bucket on a step back jumper from the foul line when UVA was surging. His play has stepped up significantly & he’s been a reliable 6th man for us this season. He was also the only bench scorer for us, which is really crazy when you think about it...

Pack had a deep 3 with about a 1:40 left & clutch jumper when UVA had cut the lead down to 3.

Omier had a very good Defensive game with 8 rebounds 4blks & 2stls, he would’ve definitely had more rebs if didn’t foul out, but there were at least 2 questionable offensive foul calls that went against him that were bad calls IMO & he also got mugged pretty much the whole game in the paint by Caffaro & Shedrick.

But what this game overall solidified is that Miami & VA Tech are the top of the fckin food chain in the ACC, (Pitt is a sneaky good too lol), but the traditional powers of Duke & UNC are deeply flawed teams that while still having very good talent do not have the cornerstone coaching of Coach K & Roy Williams that used to be able to hide their deficiencies & coach them out of their mistakes. Duke & UNC this season, are regular good teams, meaning, they don’t have the Coaching advantages that they used to have, which makes them vulnerable & beatable.

It hasn’t been perfect by any standard, but being 12-1 at this point in the season cannot be deconstructed as simple luck or playing a weak schedule, we’re a legitimate top 10-15 team in the country right now & it stands within reason that by the time we hit the bulk of our toughest ACC opponents next month we’ll likely be ranked as such.

This team has shown the entire season that they can continuously weather the storm & get themselves out of nearly any adverse situation they find themselves in & that is a testament to the veteran leadership of guys like Wong & Miller & shows the poise this group has even when in multiple scenarios they’re supposed to crumble & lose, but yet they just won’t.

Winning these types of battles early in the season will pay dividends for us come tourney time, because the more this team can build up it’s backbone to withstand adversity, the tougher they’ll become in the long run with the ability to rise up to the occasion when it matters & win.

This might be the best team that Jim Larra has coached since 05 George Mason or 2012-13 Miami & the crazy part is, they’ve still haven’t played their best basketball yet... This feels like a team of destiny tbh.
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What a terrific post. 💯💯

If.. if if if if… Casey can make the jump, we start edging towards a legitimate Final Four team.

I know he struggled some tonight… but he’s figuring it out at this level and he still made meaningful contributions (2 rebounds, assist) against a top 10 team in December.
 
AmherstCane said:
What a terrific post. 💯💯

If.. if if if if… Casey can make the jump, we start edging towards a legitimate Final Four team.

I know he struggled some tonight… but he’s figuring it out at this level and he still made meaningful contributions (2 rebounds, assist) against a top 10 team in December.
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I would add Watson to this as well. both have the size that we will need against some of the taller teams we play in conference play. That Maryland game still has me thinking. Omier really should be a PF.
 
AmherstCane said:
What a terrific post. 💯💯

If.. if if if if… Casey can make the jump, we start edging towards a legitimate Final Four team.

I know he struggled some tonight… but he’s figuring it out at this level and he still made meaningful contributions (2 rebounds, assist) against a top 10 team in December.
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Agreed on Casey, he hasn’t figured it on the offensive of the ball yet, but he’s getting there.

He just has to slow down & let the game come to him, because he doesn’t play that much he tends to be overly excited on Offense & has the propensity to wanna try to force a play which causes him to rush himself.

What would help him is getting him more minutes in games like our upcoming matchup against a team like Vermont next week. Those are the kinds of games for kids like Casey & Watson to get a chance to relax & play with more confidence knowing that if they make a mistake they won’t immediately be snatched off the floor.
 
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