3-4 Defensive Depth

[CaneAlmighty]

Under Corch D, we have had enough problems just getting subs on and off the field and properly lined up. Let alone breakdowns in man coverage every game. So I wonder how running a "Multiple D" with guys playing new positions for the first time is going to address the confusion issue.

IT'S NOT NEW. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE 3-4. WE'VE ALSO BEEN RUNNING DIFFERENT 4-3 LOOKS. I'M USING CAPS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN 2 YEARS SINCE THE NEW STAFF HAS BEEN HERE AND CONSTANTLY SAID THEY'VE RUN A HYBRID DEFENSE, THEN WE'VE GONE OUT AND PLAYED AND RUN A HYBRID DEFENSE, BUT SOMEHOW PEOPLE STILL DON'T REALIZE THAT WE RUN A HYBRID DEFENSE.

Ok I'm done.

You sure? I know the coaches have said they want to run a hybrid but I think that a was said as a forward looking statement and not necessarily what they were currently running at the time.
Moreso, every game film I checked I've seen 4 down lineman with hands on the ground which is usually a 4-3 look.
Plus we haven't really had the players to run a hybrid scheme.
So put your CAPS away for now.

 

[dg151]

We'v run base 4-3. We've run 4-3 over (primarily). We've run 3-4 with Shayon as an OLB and normal personnel. We've run 3 down lineman rush stuff with Chick at nose. So my caps will stay until post like yours stop happening and the fan base is more educated about what their team is actually doing.

 

[Coach Macho]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

 

[zone3cane]

IT'S NOT NEW. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE 3-4.

You sure?

**** YES he's sure..... ****???? why is 90% of the ppl in this thread making this an issue?

Miami was running 3-4s last year on more then one occasion, let it go, S. Green switched from the 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB on multiple occassions.... T. McCord was playing the 9-technique on multiple occasions from the 4-3 under hybrid 3-4 look.

WTF!? it's a multiple defense b/c of how "easy" it is to change in and out of, the base is the 4-3 under/over

 

[dg151]

I wasn't gonna do it with the 4-3 over threads that came out last week but y'all are gonna make me do a whole big write up for this ****.

 

[zone3cane]

Why would D'nofrio wait till year 3 to implement an entirely "new" defensive scheme when he has been the DC the entire time???..... what coach does that??

 

[Picksix]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

What a load of horse****. Miami will run a 3-4 just fine. It's called coaching...

 

[zone3cane]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

I agree about your breakdown of each look but i disagree that SFL players arent built for the 3-4.

 

[courcy75]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

Chaminade and STA off the top of my head have been 3-4 teams for as long as I can remember (yes I know college is more complex but both of those schools really coach their players up).

I think this entire issue on defense needs to be simplified a bit for every one. No matter how many hands we've had in the ground the basis of it has been a 5 man front. I noticed we have played a ton of under the past 2 years with Chick as the open side end. We all love him but he's not a true pass rusher. The addition of AQM/Gilbert as the open side rusher whether his hand is in the ground or standing up and chick bumping over to the tightend side is a much better fit IMO. In an under front chick would aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle.

 

[RiDLer80]

I definitely agree with Wildcat's post. The biggest issue I have with the 3-4 at Miami is our recruiting base's skill sets don't cater to that type of defense. I'm not from South Florida, but it seems that the defenses are super simple. One-gap, see-ball-get-ball in the front seven. This read and react **** seems to go against the nature of SoFla players.

 

[zone3cane]

I definitely agree with Wildcat's post. The biggest issue I have with the 3-4 at Miami is our recruiting base's skill sets don't cater to that type of defense. I'm not from South Florida, but it seems that the defenses are super simple. One-gap, see-ball-get-ball in the front seven. This read and react **** seems to go against the nature of SoFla players.

Most high school defenses are simple, you cant have a simple defense in college now a days b/c coaches are going to eat that **** up regardless....

its a learning curb with learning this type of defense but if the coaches at the high school level started teaching players this types of system it will get easier to coach overtime.... Just like how Saban seems to have all of Alabama's high schools catering to his defensive philosophy at Bama.

Before Saban the state of Bama wasnt a hotbed for elite recruits now they spit out 5 star 3-4 OLBs every year.

 

[Picksix]

Why would D'nofrio wait till year 3 to implement an entirely "new" defensive scheme when he has been the DC the entire time???..... what coach does that??

Coach D hasn't waited until year #3 to implement a new scheme. Miami was a 4-3 defense and he's ran a 4-3 defense and added 3-4 to it as the right personnel has arrived and developed for it. When all is said and done Miami will run a multiple look 3-4 Hybrid defense. Yes, South FL kids who are supposed to be the most talented kids in the country are being asked to learn big boy defenses. This horse**** that South FL doesn't produce the right kind of talent to run a 3-4 is just that, horse****.

 

[Coach Macho]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

What a load of horse****. Miami will run a 3-4 just fine. It's called coaching...

Shut you over-dramatic *** up.

 

[zone3cane]

Why would D'nofrio wait till year 3 to implement an entirely "new" defensive scheme when he has been the DC the entire time???..... what coach does that??

Coach D hasn't waited until year #3 to implement a new scheme. Miami was a 4-3 defense and he's ran a 4-3 defense and added 3-4 to it as the right personnel has arrived and developed for it. When all is said and done Miami will run a multiple look 3-4 Hybrid defense. Yes, South FL kids who are supposed to be the most talented kids in the country are being asked to learn big boy defenses. This horse**** that South FL doesn't produce the right kind of talent to run a 3-4 is just that, horse****.

thats my point its ridiculous that ppl on here are acting like he just randomly picked this year to start a completely new defensive scheme..... D'onofrio has had the same scheme and philosophy before he got to Miami...... this aint brand new.

the defense gets its hybrid 3-4 look from the 4-3 over/under which is the base and always going to be the base defense as long as Coach D is the DC.

 

[Coach Macho]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

Chaminade and STA off the top of my head have been 3-4 teams for as long as I can remember (yes I know college is more complex but both of those schools really coach their players up).

I think this entire issue on defense needs to be simplified a bit for every one. No matter how many hands we've had in the ground the basis of it has been a 5 man front. I noticed we have played a ton of under the past 2 years with Chick as the open side end. We all love him but he's not a true pass rusher. The addition of AQM/Gilbert as the open side rusher whether his hand is in the ground or standing up and chick bumping over to the tightend side is a much better fit IMO. In an under front chick would aligned on the outside shoulder of the tackle.

That's two teams, plus Western runs a 3-4, but they're void cause Miami most likely will never find a Defensive recruit there. So two teams that were recruit from run a 3-4. Majority of the defenses down here are aggressive 4-3 one-gap defenses.

 

[Picksix]

3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are very similar positions in build and athleticism. Not sure why anybody would possibly think we have the athletes for one position and not the other. If anything, 3-4 OLB is more demanding. You have to play the run the same way a 4-3 DE does, you have to set the edge, you have to play coverage, and you have to do it all standing up.

Everybody just wants to talk about height and weight when referring to positions but nobody has taken SKILL-SET into account. Just cause a guy is a 330lbs doesn't mean he can play NT. Just cause a guy is 6'4" 290 doesn't mean he can play DE. Just cause a guy is 6'3" 245 doesn't mean he can play OLB. The athletes who are bred in South FLorida are more suited for the 4-3 when it comes to size AND skill-set.

3-4 isn't even a speed-based scheme. I don't know why anybody thinks we'll have more speed on the field. In the the standard Miami style 4-3 you only have two "slow" guys on the field, the Defensive Tackles. You have five "quick twitch" or "speed" guys, the DE's and LB's. Once you switch to the 3-4 you incorporate THREE "slower" players at the NT and DE positions. You then take your 4-3 Defensive Ends and move them to OLB. Now you've essentially got five Defensive Linemen on the field. (three DT's and two DE's)

You don't NEED to be 270 pounds to play DE in the 4-3 one-gap defense. You can make an impact at around 250 pounds, especially in college football. Chad Thomas and AQM are prototypical Miami 4-3 DE's and when they get here we're gonna ask them to do all kinds of other **** that's outside of their strongest skill-sets.

The 3-4 is also a more complex scheme and will take longer for our South Florida kids to adjust to. Nobody runs that scheme down here.

What a load of horse****. Miami will run a 3-4 just fine. It's called coaching...

Shut you over-dramatic *** up.

LOL! Whatever moron...

 

[Coach Macho]

I definitely agree with Wildcat's post. The biggest issue I have with the 3-4 at Miami is our recruiting base's skill sets don't cater to that type of defense. I'm not from South Florida, but it seems that the defenses are super simple. One-gap, see-ball-get-ball in the front seven. This read and react **** seems to go against the nature of SoFla players.

Most high school defenses are simple, you cant have a simple defense in college now a days b/c coaches are going to eat that **** up regardless....

its a learning curb with learning this type of defense but if the coaches at the high school level started teaching players this types of system it will get easier to coach overtime.... Just like how Saban seems to have all of Alabama's high schools catering to his defensive philosophy at Bama.

Before Saban the state of Bama wasnt a hotbed for elite recruits now they spit out 5 star 3-4 OLBs every year.

And that's why Bama and Miami are different, and the 3-4 works for Bama. South Florida coaches ain't never gonna switch to the 3-4 (in bulk) so you can forget about it.

This "engage, read and react" stuff that we're doing on the D-line at Miami is foreign language to these kids down here.

 

[Coach Macho]

Why would D'nofrio wait till year 3 to implement an entirely "new" defensive scheme when he has been the DC the entire time???..... what coach does that??

Coach D hasn't waited until year #3 to implement a new scheme. Miami was a 4-3 defense and he's ran a 4-3 defense and added 3-4 to it as the right personnel has arrived and developed for it. When all is said and done Miami will run a multiple look 3-4 Hybrid defense. Yes, South FL kids who are supposed to be the most talented kids in the country are being asked to learn big boy defenses. This horse**** that South FL doesn't produce the right kind of talent to run a 3-4 is just that, horse****.

How the fvck would you know that it's horse****? You don't coach down here. You don't know what kind of athletes populate this region.

Big boy defense? So LSU doesn't run a big boy defense? We didn't run big boy defense at Miami for the last 30 years?

Fvck outta here with that dumb ****.

 

[dg151]

Both Florida and FSU run a legit 3-4 now soooooo....

 

[Picksix]

Why would D'nofrio wait till year 3 to implement an entirely "new" defensive scheme when he has been the DC the entire time???..... what coach does that??

Coach D hasn't waited until year #3 to implement a new scheme. Miami was a 4-3 defense and he's ran a 4-3 defense and added 3-4 to it as the right personnel has arrived and developed for it. When all is said and done Miami will run a multiple look 3-4 Hybrid defense. Yes, South FL kids who are supposed to be the most talented kids in the country are being asked to learn big boy defenses. This horse**** that South FL doesn't produce the right kind of talent to run a 3-4 is just that, horse****.

How the fvck would you know that it's horse****? You don't coach down here. You don't know what kind of athletes populate this region.

Big boy defense? So LSU doesn't run a big boy defense? We didn't run big boy defense at Miami for the last 30 years?

Fvck outta here with that dumb ****.

Some of the South FL coaches are the biggest ******* idiots going. Keep thinking South Fl can't produce talent to run 3-4. Vince Wilfork played at Miami and he may be the best Nose to ever play in a 3-4 at the NFL level. I could go on and on but you won't get it. Your theory is a weakness. Thank god Miami has real coaches to coach this South FL talent up and get the most out of them.