3-4 Defensive Depth

[Hstokes1447]

I am very excited to see this team transition to the 3-4. I think the personal we have is much better suited to be a 3-4 team, this allow us to get more speed on the field and pressure on the QB. I also believe south Florida is the perfect place to recruit fast undersized DE's who will be perfect 3-4 OLB's and quick and undersized DT's who will make perfect 3-4 DE's.

Here is my projected 2013 3-4 depth chart

Strong Defensive End
JR Anthony Chickillo
SO Jelani Hamilton
RSO Ufomba Kamalu

Nose Tackle
RSR Curtis Porter
RSR Justin Renfrow
RSO Corey King (I only see him playing in emergency situations)

Weak Defensive End
JR Olsen Pierre
RSR Luther Robinson

Weak Outside Linebacker
RSR David Gillbert
RSR Shayon Green
FR Al-Quadin Muhammad
SR Kelvin Cain

Weak Inside Linebacker
JR Denzel Perryman
SR Tyrone Cornelius
FR Jermaine Grace

Strong Inside Linebacker
SR Jimmy Gaines
SO Raphael Kirby

Strong Outside Linebacker
FR Alex Figueroa
SO Tyriq McCord
JR Thurston Armbrister

Corner Back
RJR Ladarius Gunter
SO Tracy Howard
FR Artie Burns

Corner Back
SO Antonio Crawford
RFR Nate Dortch

SS Safety
SO Deon Bush
FR Jamal Carter
SR A.J Highsmith

Free Safety
SO Rayshawn Jenkins
SR Kacy Rodgers

 

[CanesAreAble]

I don't think we're moving to the 3-4 exclusively. The plan has always been to be "multiple" up front. There isn't a huge amount of difference between our base 4-3 under look and the 3-4.

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/54877-3-4-and-4-3-Under-the-front-7-(long)

 

[DJWilliams55]

By next year Pierre will grow into the NT to replace Porter. He is already 305. I agree that the personnel in the front is a much better fit for the 3-4....it's reflected in the emphasis on weight gain for the LBs. Quan and McCord are perfect pass rushing 3-4 OLB also but are too small for 4-3 DE and may not be great pass coverage fits for 4-3 OLB.


This is going to be a badass 3-4 when we get depth in place. There is going to be a ******* unending wave of terrors off the edge at OLB.....AQM?...Figatron....McCord....Chad Thomas....Smith. We are going to beat the crap out of opposing QBs. And with UTough....our ILB will continue to just get bigger and badder like Stanford. We'll have a bunch of brothers hitting like Shayne Skov.

I'm really excited for our team. For the first time Ina decade there is alot to look forward too as a fan...in terms of great direction, infusion if big time talent, matching schemes to talent (rather than 4-3 Over every ******* year...thanks Randy), great leasdership and direction. I can say I'm honestly very happy to be a fan. We are going to go places....and fast.

 

[BlackKeysFan]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

 

[CanesAreAble]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

Again, I really don't think we're switching to the 3-4 exclusively. The defense still suits the recruiting base. Explosive DTs still fit into the 3-technique (or the SDE), and edge rushers can play the "Elephant" position (or the SAM).

The only guys that might not have a role are the 185-LB high school backers that are going to top off at 220 LBs. Those guys might have a tough time getting recruited unless they're special players, e.g. Sean Spence.

 

[CanesAreAble]

By next year Pierre will grow into the NT to replace Porter. He is already 305. I agree that the personnel in the front is a much better fit for the 3-4....it's reflected in the emphasis on weight gain for the LBs. Quan and McCord are perfect pass rushing 3-4 OLB also but are too small for 4-3 DE and may not be great pass coverage fits for 4-3 OLB.


This is going to be a badass 3-4 when we get depth in place. There is going to be a ******* unending wave of terrors off the edge at OLB.....AQM?...Figatron....McCord....Chad Thomas....Smith. We are going to beat the crap out of opposing QBs. And with UTough....our ILB will continue to just get bigger and badder like Stanford. We'll have a bunch of brothers hitting like Shayne Skov.

I'm really excited for our team. For the first time Ina decade there is alot to look forward too as a fan...in terms of great direction, infusion if big time talent, matching schemes to talent (rather than 4-3 Over every ******* year...thanks Randy), great leasdership and direction. I can say I'm honestly very happy to be a fan. We are going to go places....and fast.

I don't think Pierre grows into the NT. That doesn't optimize his potential.

I think Stuckey (and maybe Jenkins) will be groomed for that. Wouldn't be surprised to see another JUCO (or two) and/or grad school transfer, e.g. Renfrow.

 

[BlackKeysFan]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

Again, I really don't think we're switching to the 3-4 exclusively. The defense still suits the recruiting base. Explosive DTs still fit into the 3-technique (or the SDE), and edge rushers can play the "Elephant" position (or the SAM).

The only guys that might not have a role are the 185-LB high school backers that are going to top off at 220 LBs. Those guys might have a tough time getting recruited unless they're special players, e.g. Sean Spence.

You mean like Jermaine Grace?

 

[CanesAreAble]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

Again, I really don't think we're switching to the 3-4 exclusively. The defense still suits the recruiting base. Explosive DTs still fit into the 3-technique (or the SDE), and edge rushers can play the "Elephant" position (or the SAM).

The only guys that might not have a role are the 185-LB high school backers that are going to top off at 220 LBs. Those guys might have a tough time getting recruited unless they're special players, e.g. Sean Spence.

You mean like Jermaine Grace?

Yep.

 

[DJWilliams55]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

Again, I really don't think we're switching to the 3-4 exclusively. The defense still suits the recruiting base. Explosive DTs still fit into the 3-technique (or the SDE), and edge rushers can play the "Elephant" position (or the SAM).

The only guys that might not have a role are the 185-LB high school backers that are going to top off at 220 LBs. Those guys might have a tough time getting recruited unless they're special players, e.g. Sean Spence.

You mean like Jermaine Grace?

Grace is already 215 or so. He is still light in the *** for what we are doing but he is a true freshman. By the time he is fully built he will be 235 and can be the WILB. They can shade the NT slighty to the weakside in that weak A gap to help protect him like an under front. He will play regardless of size cause he has such good instincts.

 

[RiDLer80]

I actually don't think South Florida's base caters predominately to a 3-4.

OP, when you say quick and undersized DTs, I think of a 5'10-6'0 280-310 pound DT. Those aren't the measurements you want for a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DEs are usually 6'4-6'6. They're usually longer bodies than your average DT. Somebody like Chickillo or Jelani Hamilton. Now, if you are in fact talking about a guy like Jelani Hamilton or Anthony Moten when talking quick and undersized DTs then I agree.

Also, I don't think South Florida's base is heavy on true nose tackle types either. But then again, finding a good true nose tackle is hard wherever you go and I can see us going out of state a lot for those if we do move to a heavier 3-4 based defense.

 

[dg151]

This thread makes me very sad.

 

[Picksix]

This defense is going to be a 3-4 Hybrid. It's not that hard to understand. We'll run packages of 4-3 and 3-4 depending on down, distance and situation. That's what coach Golden and Coach D have always run.

 

[BlackKeysFan]

Under Corch D, we have had enough problems just getting subs on and off the field and properly lined up. Let alone breakdowns in man coverage every game. So I wonder how running a "Multiple D" with guys playing new positions for the first time is going to address the confusion issue.

 

[CanesAreAble]

People should really check this thread out:

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/54877-3-4-and-4-3-Under-the-front-7-(long)

 

[Hstokes1447]

I don't think we're moving to the 3-4 exclusively. The plan has always been to be "multiple" up front. There isn't a huge amount of difference between our base 4-3 under look and the 3-4.

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/54877-3-4-and-4-3-Under-the-front-7-(long)

I totally agree that we will be multiple. I just wanted to look into what this team will look like when we are in the 3-4 lineup.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Gilbert let it slip that we're a 3-4 defense now.

 

[ghost2]

The stuff I posted a while ago about the 4-3 Under is basically a 3-4 hybrid defense.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

Gilbert let it slip that we're a 3-4 defense now.

I'll continue to contest that a transfer who's been on campus a week and practiced five times has unmasked a major scheme change, as opposed to expounding on his primary role within a team that has and will continue to be clearly stated as "multiple". You guys, for God only knows what reasons, refuse to see the obvious, unchanged reality that this team runs a 4-3 base, with situational-specific moves to a 3-4.

 

[Gatorhater]

It's been a long offseason, and I for one am not just assuming that guys like Gilbert, McCord, and AQM are gonna play a new position for the first time and THATS what magically saves our defense. Seems like a real reach to me. We couldn't hold up against the Run with 4 DL last year, so I'm not sure what taking one away and having an awkward confused blitz linebacker doing a new job is gonna do in the short term. I also disagree that South Florida is perfect for the 3-4. South Florida has speed at LB, speed at End, not a ton of Huge NT. Defenses here should be Speed Speed Speed.

Your depth chart gives me headaches because there isn't one position on this whole defense that even the biggest homer could say we have any depth at.

Agree. Heat here makes for leaner players. Hard to grow and hold big huge bodies without being fat. Our historic speed came from smaller LBs and DEs. We moved safeties to LB and LBs to DEs. This team is being grown and recruited to play more 3-4. I like our old style, but it just does not work in the Dolfins' house. The OB had short fast rug. Sun Death has taller pasture still rug that negates speed. Our D has gone downhill since Donna lost the OB. Like it or not, we are going bigger and therefore slower. Without our own house, there is no choice. We need Ray Lewis the pro LB now, now Ray Lewis the skinny fast high school safety. Losing the OB killed our old D.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Gilbert let it slip that we're a 3-4 defense now.

I'll continue to contest that a transfer who's been on campus a week and practiced five times has unmasked a major scheme change, as opposed to expounding on his primary role within a team that has and will continue to be clearly stated as "multiple". You guys, for God only knows what reasons, refuse to see the obvious, unchanged reality that this team runs a 4-3 base, with situational-specific moves to a 3-4.

All I got from this post was 3-4.