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HurricanePhilly said:
I just don’t see how Arroyo hasn’t moved into the talk as the top TE in the board by every single analyst. I think the combine will solidify it. Him and Ward are the best players at their positions entering the draft.
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I love Arroyo and hope he moves up but he's not moving ahead of the PSU TE. I hate PSU but that kid is a bad mF.
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Rellyrell said:
My counter to that would be Ben Simmons & Melo Ball. Both look/looked like HOFers in practice. My other counter argument would be The Greentree practice reports.

I agree w/ u that the combine often distorts the draft decisions of GMs (see Anthony Richardson), but by far & large most decisions are based upon game production. The combine simply either verify or give GMs a quick assessment to revisit game film to see if a player’s potential is A+, undervalued, or overvalued.

Production will always be king, but of course a GM is going to take a chance on a guy who’s running a 4.2-.3, 40 in vert., benching 225 20+ times, &/or can launch a ball 70+ yards with decent production. They do same thing when it comes to recruiting at the collegiate level, & what determines at blue chip from a 3* or lower.
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Not a fan of Lamelo Ball? He is putting some impressive number this year.
 
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TallyCaneFan said:
I love Arroyo and hope he moves up but he's not moving ahead of the PSU TE. I hate PSU but that kid is a bad mF.
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My only argument would be what if we went as heavy as they did to him. I think it would look similar. Warren prob more physical. Arroyo more athletic .

I guess if depends on who needs what.

Fannin def isn’t in their world.
 
AtlAtty said:
I like the post season practices more than college practices only because the opposing athlete is also trying to be a pro, whereas we have to assume that the vast majority of the college teammates won’t play in the NFL and just can’t offer enough competition for comparison purposes by NFL GM”s.

But beyond that I agree with all your well argued points. One request. In that I am a Sixers fan, please never mention Simmons name to me. It’s painful every time I think about the Sixers selecting him #1 overall :confusion:.
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Sorry brotha; yeah, Ben…man, we can DM about him. Lol He frustrates me to no end, but I do agree that the post season practices r a bit more telling than pre-season/in season practices.

These NFL type practices put u on the radar, for sure.
 
HurricanePhilly said:
I just don’t see how Arroyo hasn’t moved into the talk as the top TE in the board by every single analyst. I think the combine will solidify it. Him and Ward are the best players at their positions entering the draft.
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Yup, he falls out of the day 1 picks someone’s getting a steal. He’s the new age flex TE that OCs love to exploit mismatches
 
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TexasCane90 said:
Yup, he falls out of the day 1 picks someone’s getting a steal. He’s the new age flex TE that OCs love to exploit mismatches
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People have a hard time changing their mind when it’s been decided for so long.

The Penn State guy is a baller, no doubt. But he was hyped all season including through most of the playoffs. He’s been talked about as the top TE for a while, that’s just what it is.

Arroyo, on the other hand, hasn’t had much hype and really only put up some numbers this season. We know better than most only because we follow Miami. But the cream rises to the top. Arroyo appears to be exceptional. People will realize sooner or later. The more he continues to show out pre-draft, including testing, the sooner it’ll happen.

Either way, he comin’.
 
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MiamiVice7 said:
People have a hard time changing their mind when it’s been decided for so long.

The Penn State guy is a baller, no doubt. But he was hyped all season including through most of the playoffs. He’s been talked about as the top TE for a while, that’s just what it is.

Arroyo, on the other hand, hasn’t had much hype and really only put up some numbers this season. We know better than most only because we follow Miami. But the cream rises to the top. Arroyo appears to be exceptional. People will realize sooner or later. The more he continues to show out pre-draft, including testing, the sooner it’ll happen.

Either way, he comin’.
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Guys get overdrafted consistently based on their combine performance. If Arroyo runs sub 4.6 at his size, and after the week he just had I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes R1. A lot of my buddies have just said I’m a homer, but he’s the best TE we’ve had since Jimmy.
 
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AtlAtty said:
Reading all these positive reviews of our players skill level, and not just their athletic ability directly contradicts a CIS maxim which is that
UM DOES NOT DEVELOP PLAYERS.

I have read some version of that argument for years, and yet Rivers, Restrepo, and Arroyo were all developed at UM, and someone taught them how to run routes so well, and someone taught Rivers how to play multiple Oline positions. And those someone’s are coaches on the staff at UM.
You can validly argue that Brown, Martinez and Ward were mostly developed somewhere else, but I would retort that all improved their potential draft positioning after playing at UM and under this staff.

Good job Mario and staff. We need to acknowledge successes at least as loudly as failures.
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Great Post.
 
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