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I just don’t see how Arroyo hasn’t moved into the talk as the top TE in the board by every single analyst. I think the combine will solidify it. Him and Ward are the best players at their positions entering the draft.
 
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I just don’t see how Arroyo hasn’t moved into the talk as the top TE in the board by every single analyst. I think the combine will solidify it. Him and Ward are the best players at their positions entering the draft.
I love Arroyo and hope he moves up but he's not moving ahead of the PSU TE. I hate PSU but that kid is a bad mF.
Eddie Murphy Crowd GIF
 
My counter to that would be Ben Simmons & Melo Ball. Both look/looked like HOFers in practice. My other counter argument would be The Greentree practice reports.

I agree w/ u that the combine often distorts the draft decisions of GMs (see Anthony Richardson), but by far & large most decisions are based upon game production. The combine simply either verify or give GMs a quick assessment to revisit game film to see if a player’s potential is A+, undervalued, or overvalued.

Production will always be king, but of course a GM is going to take a chance on a guy who’s running a 4.2-.3, 40 in vert., benching 225 20+ times, &/or can launch a ball 70+ yards with decent production. They do same thing when it comes to recruiting at the collegiate level, & what determines at blue chip from a 3* or lower.
Not a fan of Lamelo Ball? He is putting some impressive number this year.
 
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I love Arroyo and hope he moves up but he's not moving ahead of the PSU TE. I hate PSU but that kid is a bad mF.
Eddie Murphy Crowd GIF
My only argument would be what if we went as heavy as they did to him. I think it would look similar. Warren prob more physical. Arroyo more athletic .

I guess if depends on who needs what.

Fannin def isn’t in their world.
 
I like the post season practices more than college practices only because the opposing athlete is also trying to be a pro, whereas we have to assume that the vast majority of the college teammates won’t play in the NFL and just can’t offer enough competition for comparison purposes by NFL GM”s.

But beyond that I agree with all your well argued points. One request. In that I am a Sixers fan, please never mention Simmons name to me. It’s painful every time I think about the Sixers selecting him #1 overall :confusion:.

Sorry brotha; yeah, Ben…man, we can DM about him. Lol He frustrates me to no end, but I do agree that the post season practices r a bit more telling than pre-season/in season practices.

These NFL type practices put u on the radar, for sure.
 
I just don’t see how Arroyo hasn’t moved into the talk as the top TE in the board by every single analyst. I think the combine will solidify it. Him and Ward are the best players at their positions entering the draft.
Yup, he falls out of the day 1 picks someone’s getting a steal. He’s the new age flex TE that OCs love to exploit mismatches
 
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