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TheOriginalCane said:
Again, the COMPARISON was between Ohtani (doing at the professional level, and at a HOF level of production) and Hunter (at the collegiate level).

And, again, I give Hunter credit for the snap counts. And we HAVE seen this at the collegiate level in the past, though at different positions. The list of two-way OLs and defensive players is quite lengthy over the past 100 years, including the University of Miami's Jim Otto, who played center (and made the NFL HOF as a center) and linebacker.

Say what you want, I would argue that 2-way linemen have made far greater accomplishments than Travis Hunter. You can't take any plays off on the OL. You can't take any plays off in the front 7 of the defense.

And, again and again, it's not about the "physical demands" of football, I'm sure we can all agree on that issue. I'm the first to say that I respect and admire Hunter's ability to play nearly an entire game both ways. But the SKILL to be a starting (and winning) pitcher in the major leagues AND to hit for one of the top batting averages...it's just unprecedented...
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& that’s the conundrum: does skill = harder? I think baseball, golf, & hockey r the three most difficult sports to play, skill wise, but there’s a reason football players have an avg. shelf life of 3 yrs playing ONE position.

It’s a POV ?, & this is what makes sports a uniting & divisive entity. I believe what Ohtani is doing is incredibly special, but the physical demand of a football player whether it’s collegiately or professionally is hard to fathom. Doing it on both sides all game long for 3 seasons is even harder to imagine.
 
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Rellyrell said:
So has Pitching & Batting, no? Didn’t some dude w/ a mafia last name do it for the Gators at an extremely high level? ****, didn’t that same dude last season rock our world from the plate & the mound?

We’ve never seen what Travis Hunter has done, not even from Charles Woodson or Deion Sanders. He’s been elite at it at the collegiate level. There’s a specific reason why we don’t see it b/c football, not baseball, not basketball is the most physically demanding sport along w/ hockey.
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People using he can't do it in the NFL are hustling backwards. The reason people don't believe he can is because it seems impossible.
 
NFL.com stock down because he went in as a tackle. I think his versatility has value and he will be a 10 year vet.

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Brooklyndee said:
You're giving way too much credit to the clown show that is Joe Schoen & co. The same **** tard who going into week 15 had the #1 pick in the draft locked up. The same one who told their franchise player to test the market with our division rival and check back with me. THE SAME ****TARD WHO EXTENDED DANIEL ****** JONES AT THE TUNE OF ROUGHLY 50 MILLION A YEAR WITHOUT EVER EVEN ESTABLISHING HE SHOULD BE A STARTING QB... Only thing that sounds like something he'd do out of that is after giving away the #1 by winning a meaningless game he then turns around and gives up multiple picks to get right back into the spot he gave away... God I hate that ****** guy
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I was watching Hard Knocks with my daughter. She is getting into a more competitive atmosphere in her respective sport. I try to watch sport documentaries with her so she understands what it takes and the mindset of the people she is going to be competing against. We hadn't finish watching Episode 2 of Hard Rocks and she turned to me and said, "that guy (Schoen) is an idiot, Dad."
 
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Brooklyndee said:
The problem is when people look at the rest of the draft to establish his value. His value isn't based on the class. It's based on what slot he's drafted in and what he can do for his team once in the league. I take things literally which is a problem of mine from time to time. But to compare Travis Hunter to Champ Bailey or even Jalen is flat out disrespectful. No part of this dude shows comps at that level. Champ was the closest thing to Charles Woodson since that point. Jalen was the closest to Champ. I'm their primes playing at peak levels they could put the clamps on ur #1 wr or Te and they could come up and knock a RBs head off defending the run. In the NFL that requires an elite level of physicality. Yes the game is soft as cotton now and it's taken away the need for brute strength at most positions. But what have you seen out of Travis Hunter that makes you think he'll be able to shut down an entire side of the field like that? I even have my doubts about certain aspects of his game at CB. I don't have any issue with the kid at all. Think potentially he's got tons of talent. Just think he's got a long way to go before he earns all this hype
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I think he'd be a high draft pick in any year.

Non-QB, RB Heisman winners of recent vintage include - Hunter, Devonta Smith (10th pick), Charles Woodson (4th pick), Desmond Howard (4th pick), Tim Brown (6th pick).

If you look at the value of a non-QB/RB Heisman Trophy Winner, Hunter's value in particular tracks historically, not just in this draft.
Champ Bailey was a Heisman Trophy Finalist and was the 7th pick (I think this is his best comp, sorry if we don't agree here...both were two play players...Hunter was a better WR prospect, Bailey the better CB, both were big time athletes at similar size.

Hunter's metrics at CB as both a man cover corner and zone corner are very good. Perhaps not elite in any one single metric, but I'd wager there isn't a corner in the class that can play in multiple coverages like he can in this class and I'd wager those metrics transcend to other classes as well.

When it comes to physical makeup...Hunter has as elite a gas tank in football as I've ever seen. Olympian level gas in the tank for football. Also, seemingly one of those football savants. Just lives and breaths it. I think he's got great ball skills...of course because he's also a WR...I think you'd be hard pressed to say either of the two mentioned have better ball skills than Hunter at this stage of their development.

The only real weakness I see as a corner, was he was a susceptible to getting roasted and toasted in the deep zones. The Stanford WR is going to get drafted highly simply because he toasted Hunter up on deep balls in zone coverage (this is why I'll throw out a Jalen Ramsey comp, Ramsey has a long history of getting lazy and getting dusted up on deep balls despite being considered elite). He's also coached by Prime and he's not the most physical corner you'll see, but he's far more physical than Prime.

Here is a quick twitter video cut up of his improvements in man coverage as a junior.



Here is a link to another scouting report with a bunch of embedded tweets that show the diversity of skills.


Big time corner prospect, whose only real deficiencies are a result of playing an astronomical amount of plays. Pure CB in the NFL, but you're getting something extra special at WR when he plays there, too. He will have to earn those reps, but he's CB1 by quite a bit in this class, IMO. A+ development potential and a guy you expect to be a Hall of Fame candidate by the end of his career.
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And this is on top of him being probably the real WR1 in this draft. See metrics analysis below.

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I just think this dude is a unique player. You look at Champ Bailey and see the high end comp, but thats not a comp I'd throw around all willy nilly either. Travis Hunter is just a special prospect. Truly a "generational prospect"...Champ Bailey was a quarter of a century ago. We're getting old, brother.

Also, I like players that move up in competition and keep dominating. Cam Ward, Shedeur, and Travis Hunter all have this unique journey that I think benefits them big in the NFL...they won't be shocked by the increase in speed and complexity of the game. They've taken that jump before (in Cam's situation - 3 times).
 
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