2025 NFL Combine

[TheOriginalCane]

Carter is a good player, possibly great. With that said this is a qb driven league.

Yeah, he finally had a good senior year, even if not playing Michigan State.

Carter got 1/3 of his 2022 sacks and 1/2 of his 2023 sacks in the Michigan State games.

"Best player in the draft"? He can say that, but it doesn't make it true.

 

[DTP]

College needs to shift to the NFL KO

NFL is already switching the kickoff again for 2025

 

[Coach Macho]

Hunter getting in a car wreck 20x a game for 17 games vs Ohtani playing DH and pitching 25x a season (when healthy) ain't the same.

That said clearly baseball requires a heck of a lot more skill than WR/CB, but even as only a DH Ohtani didn't play 162 games this year

Neither one of them can do what the other one does...however here's the difference...

One guy lacks the "skill" to perform the other one's job...that's it.
The other guy lacks the skill, athleticism, toughness, genetics, speed, etc etc etc.

If they traded places for a day, one of them would simply get embarrassed. The other one would get embarrassed, folded up like a lawn chair and end-up on the trainer's table within 10 minutes.

I respect baseball and it's my first love...but I played in games where I didn't even break a sweat.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

Neither one of them can do what the other one does...however here's the difference...

One guy lacks the "skill" to perform the other one's job...that's it.
The other guy lacks the skill, athleticism, toughness, genetics, speed, etc etc etc.

If they traded places for a day, one of them would simply get embarrassed. The other one would get embarrassed, folded up like a lawn chair and end-up on the trainer's table within 10 minutes.

I respect baseball and it's my first love...but I played in games where I didn't even break a sweat.

Think we agree.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

NFL is already switching the kickoff again for 2025

but not back to the 'traditional' style

 

[DTP]

Neither one of them can do what the other one does...however here's the difference...

One guy lacks the "skill" to perform the other one's job...that's it.
The other guy lacks the skill, athleticism, toughness, genetics, speed, etc etc etc.

If they traded places for a day, one of them would simply get embarrassed. The other one would get embarrassed, folded up like a lawn chair and end-up on the trainer's table within 10 minutes.

I respect baseball and it's my first love...but I played in games where I didn't even break a sweat.

It’s not just the skill of “playing baseball” vs “playing football” it’s that being a premier pitcher and a premier hitter is two completely different skill sets. Playing DB and Receiver are very similar. There’s a ton of cornerbacks who could play wide receiver in the NFL. There’s no offensive players who can pitch like Ohtani in MLB. The football comparison would be like a quarterback who also played defense.

Also we’re comparing a guy who has done it at a hall of fame level professionally to a guy who hasn’t played a single professional snap and will likely not play both positions full time professionally. Hunter will be a cornerback who gets snaps at wide receiver occasionally. There’s been a ton of guys who have already done that in the NFL.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I want u to be completely honest; if he was a Cane would u be saying the same thing or displaying the same vitriol?

I would say the same thing, but perhaps with not the same vitriol.

I do think it's a dumb thing to say when his own coach played baseball too, and is saying that a baseball double is harder.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I was actually stunned people thought ge was wrong. Buddy out there logging 100+ snaps every week. The hatred mixed with stupidity is baffling.

He's completely wrong.

"Logging 100+ snaps every week" 12 times in a season is a factor of energy level, not skill level.

And he gets to take a lot of those snaps off, whenever it's a running play.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It’s also b/c he played for their make believe arch enemy Coach Prime. If bro was a Miami Hurricane making this statement, they would be running to the bank glossing him.

It is EXPONENTIALLY harder to play 2-way all game in the most physically demanding sport there is called football. It takes an unbelievable hand eye coordination & skill set to play baseball, no one is disputing that, but the fact is there’s a lot of rest in baseball. U have waiting ur turn at bat, pitchers waiting in between innings, etc. Being beat up on for 3 hrs both offensively and defensively is way more difficult.

Like what r we talking about out here?

Come on.

Pitching and hitting for high average is incredibly difficult, as witnessed by the absolute lack of players who have done so for 100 years. At the professional level. Is there a lot of time off in-game? Sure. But there are 162 games to be played.

Playing WR and DB has been done with some frequency at the collegiate level. I'll give him credit for his snap counts over 12 games, but let's not pretend that he has to give maximum effort on running plays. Offense OR defense.

No NFL team will allow him to play those snap counts at a professional level. Not happenin' cap'n.

 

[Coach Macho]

It’s not just the skill of “playing baseball” vs “playing football” it’s that being a premier pitcher and a premier hitter is two completely different skill sets. Playing DB and Receiver are very similar. There’s a ton of cornerbacks who could play wide receiver in the NFL. There’s no offensive players who can pitch like Ohtani in MLB. The football comparison would be like a quarterback who also played defense.

Also we’re comparing a guy who has done it at a hall of fame level professionally to a guy who hasn’t played a single professional snap and will likely not play both positions full time professionally. Hunter will be a cornerback who gets snaps at wide receiver occasionally. There’s been a ton of guys who have already done that in the NFL.

I hear ya.
You're right.

 

[DTP]

Come on.

Pitching and hitting for high average is incredibly difficult, as witnessed by the absolute lack of players who have done so for 100 years. At the professional level. Is there a lot of time off in-game? Sure. But there are 162 games to be played.

Playing WR and DB has been done with some frequency at the collegiate level. I'll give him credit for his snap counts over 12 games, but let's not pretend that he has to give maximum effort on running plays. Offense OR defense.

No NFL team will allow him to play those snap counts at a professional level. Not happenin' cap'n.

They’re not taking into account the collegiate/professional aspect either. There’s been plenty of college baseball pitchers who could also hit really well but none of them ever transitioned to the majors doing both because the difficulty level from college to MLB is huge. The only guy in recent history I can think of was Rick Ankiel who was a decent pitcher but had arm issues and made the transition to mediocre outfielder. He was nowhere near the hitter or pitcher Ohtani is though.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You're giving way too much credit to the clown show that is Joe Schoen & co. The same **** tard who going into week 15 had the #1 pick in the draft locked up. The same one who told their franchise player to test the market with our division rival and check back with me. THE SAME ****TARD WHO EXTENDED DANIEL ****** JONES AT THE TUNE OF ROUGHLY 50 MILLION A YEAR WITHOUT EVER EVEN ESTABLISHING HE SHOULD BE A STARTING QB... Only thing that sounds like something he'd do out of that is after giving away the #1 by winning a meaningless game he then turns around and gives up multiple picks to get right back into the spot he gave away... God I hate that ****** guy

That paragraph is filled with so much truth...I have a close friend of mine (tax partner with BDO) coming for a meeting this afternoon, he is a lifelong Giants fan, do you mind if I show him what you posted?

Hilarious....

 

[TheOriginalCane]

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@Calinative

Everybody knows that badgers can't jump...

 

[Rellyrell]

Playing WR and DB has been done with some frequency at the collegiate level.

So has Pitching & Batting, no? Didn’t some dude w/ a mafia last name do it for the Gators at an extremely high level? ****, didn’t that same dude last season rock our world from the plate & the mound?

We’ve never seen what Travis Hunter has done, not even from Charles Woodson or Deion Sanders. He’s been elite at it at the collegiate level. There’s a specific reason why we don’t see it b/c football, not baseball, not basketball is the most physically demanding sport along w/ hockey.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So this guy has Shadeur slipping into the second round?

I don't believe that.

 

[Calinative]

Neither one of them can do what the other one does...however here's the difference...

One guy lacks the "skill" to perform the other one's job...that's it.
The other guy lacks the skill, athleticism, toughness, genetics, speed, etc etc etc.

If they traded places for a day, one of them would simply get embarrassed. The other one would get embarrassed, folded up like a lawn chair and end-up on the trainer's table within 10 minutes.

I respect baseball and it's my first love...but I played in games where I didn't even break a sweat.

Uh I’m not sure Ohtanhi would get killed if he played WR lol. He’s 6’4” 210lbs.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

They’re not taking into account the collegiate/professional aspect either. There’s been plenty of college baseball pitchers who could also hit really well but none of them ever transitioned to the majors doing both because the difficulty level from college to MLB is huge. The only guy in recent history I can think of was Rick Ankiel who was a decent pitcher but had arm issues and made the transition to mediocre outfielder. He was nowhere near the hitter or pitcher Ohtani is though.

As a Cardinals fan, I know the Ankiel situation well. All the talent in the world. Still couldn't pull it off.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So has Pitching & Batting, no? Didn’t some dude w/ a mafia last name do it for the Gators at an extremely high level? ****, didn’t that same dude last season rock our world from the plate & the mound?

We’ve never seen what Travis Hunter has done, not even from Charles Woodson or Deion Sanders. He’s been elite at it at the collegiate level. There’s a specific reason why we don’t see it b/c football, not baseball, not basketball is the most physically demanding sport along w/ hockey.

Again, the COMPARISON was between Ohtani (doing at the professional level, and at a HOF level of production) and Hunter (at the collegiate level).

And, again, I give Hunter credit for the snap counts. And we HAVE seen this at the collegiate level in the past, though at different positions. The list of two-way OLs and defensive players is quite lengthy over the past 100 years, including the University of Miami's Jim Otto, who played center (and made the NFL HOF as a center) and linebacker.

Say what you want, I would argue that 2-way linemen have made far greater accomplishments than Travis Hunter. You can't take any plays off on the OL. You can't take any plays off in the front 7 of the defense.

And, again and again, it's not about the "physical demands" of football, I'm sure we can all agree on that issue. I'm the first to say that I respect and admire Hunter's ability to play nearly an entire game both ways. But the SKILL to be a starting (and winning) pitcher in the major leagues AND to hit for one of the top batting averages...it's just unprecedented...