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Memnon said:
Jaxson Dart is a Matthew Stafford clone.

@Calinative if he's there at 6 (assuming the Raiders don't trade up or down), he's be a very good fit for you guys.
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I dont see that comp. Dart can run and Stafford had one of the strongest arms in the league not long ago. Is this a mechanics reference?
 
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Memnon said:
Jaxson Dart is a Matthew Stafford clone.

@Calinative if he's there at 6 (assuming the Raiders don't trade up or down), he'd be a very good fit for you guys.
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I have Cam as by far QB1.
I have Dart as Qb2, and Shadeur as QB3.

I just don't particularly like the idea of taking Dart or Shadeur at 6 at all. Those are at best late 1st that you trade back up for to guarantee the 5th year option for type players imo.

I think Raiders should do what it takes to trade up for Cam. Not only do I think he's a great player, but I think that his personality would be a very strong fit for what we need out of the position given we're in Vegas. I mostly hope the league doesn't view this QB class and Cam as good as last year so that if we are able to trade up that we can do so without it costing us an arm and a leg. Like I'd give up next yrs first and a pick swap for 1 for Cam. I just don't know if that'd be enough, at most I'd probably give this years 2nd and next years first but hopefully we get like a 4th in return this year. And the thing is if the Titans aren't going to pick Cam, I think they'd be idiots to not trade down to the Giants, Raiders or even the Saints.

I actually think we have a pretty solid offense for whoever comes in at QB tbh. Bowers is the truth. I think our Oline is solid. I like Jakobi as a WR2. We need to try to get a top WR and a RB, but getting a Rb in this draft should be incredibly easy. Like literally If we JUST walked out of this draft with 3 canes - Cam, Restrepo, and Martinez (1st, 3rd, 4th/5th respectively), I'd think we're great offensively. Of course defense is where we need the most work. But we have a lot of Money to add solid players and then draft next year...
 
Calinative said:
I have Cam as by far QB1.
I have Dart as Qb2, and Shadeur as QB3.

I just don't particularly like the idea of taking Dart or Shadeur at 6 at all. Those are at best late 1st that you trade back up for to guarantee the 5th year option for type players imo.

I think Raiders should do what it takes to trade up for Cam. Not only do I think he's a great player, but I think that his personality would be a very strong fit for what we need out of the position given we're in Vegas. I mostly hope the league doesn't view this QB class and Cam as good as last year so that if we are able to trade up that we can do so without it costing us an arm and a leg. Like I'd give up next yrs first and a pick swap for 1 for Cam. I just don't know if that'd be enough, at most I'd probably give this years 2nd and next years first but hopefully we get like a 4th in return this year. And the thing is if the Titans aren't going to pick Cam, I think they'd be idiots to not trade down to the Giants, Raiders or even the Saints.

I actually think we have a pretty solid offense for whoever comes in at QB tbh. Bowers is the truth. I think our Oline is solid. I like Jakobi as a WR2. We need to try to get a top WR and a RB, but getting a Rb in this draft should be incredibly easy. Like literally If we JUST walked out of this draft with 3 canes - Cam, Restrepo, and Martinez (1st, 3rd, 4th/5th respectively), I'd think we're great offensively. Of course defense is where we need the most work. But we have a lot of Money to add solid players and then draft next year...
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I'm not sure how well Chip Kelly & Cam would mesh together given Chip's cantankerous history in the league, but overall, the Raiders in terms of having the weapons in place are probably the best fit for Cam as a ready made team for him.

Drafting Dart at 6 is probably too high for what his actual draft spot should be, but unless you're signing a FA like Sam Darnold or trading for Stafford, you kinda have to take a QB.

This is a 3 QB draft & at least 7 teams are in a need of one. Trading down or waiting for one to drop will leave a team in need with the short straw.
 
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Memnon said:
I'm not sure how well Chip Kelly & Cam would mesh together given Chip's cantankerous history in the league, but overall, the Raiders in terms of having the weapons in place are probably the best fit for Cam as a ready made team for him.

Drafting Dart at 6 is probably too high for what his actual draft spot should be, but unless you're signing a FA like Sam Darnold or trading for Stafford, you kinda have to take a QB.

This is a 3 QB draft & at least 7 teams are in a need of one. Trading down or waiting for one to drop will leave a team in need with the short straw.
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Yeah it ******* sucks. That's why If I'm choosing between taking Shadeur/Dart at 6 or trading a future 1st for Cam, I'm doing the latter. Otherwise yeah I guess we gotta sign Darnold or some ****. I don't like that though either tbh. I guess if he gets more like a Baker Mayfield/Geno Smith (except more money to match new salary cap increase obviously) type contract I'd be down...

Already been announced Stafford returning to Rams
 
Calinative said:
Yeah it ******* sucks. That's why If I'm choosing between taking Shadeur/Dart at 6 or trading a future 1st for Cam, I'm doing the latter. Otherwise yeah I guess we gotta sign Darnold or some ****. I don't like that though either tbh. I guess if he gets more like a Baker Mayfield/Geno Smith (except more money to match new salary cap increase obviously) type contract I'd be down...

Already been announced Stafford returning to Rama
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****, I thought for sure Stafford was getting traded.

McVay took a look at the Free Agent QB pool & was like, "you know what, nevermind.."
 
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KANE said:
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I mean he did very good overall at the combine just now imo. I mean he mostly got right at average relative to the rest of the performers , but he did it at every drill, which adds up to better than average.
-Ran the best shuttle (not many participated)
-solid middle of pack 3-cone
- right in middle of pack in broad jump and he broke 10' which is an important mark
- did slightly worse at the vert but was still right on average relatively. And 35" is solid.
- 40, was just slightly below average, but literally half the LBs that ran faster did so in the 220s.. so yeah relatively below average but a 4.60 is still good.
- 10yard split, was actually better than his 40. Which is a better indicator of explosiveness along with the jumps....

A 9.31 RAS is no joke. I was expecting like in the 7.8s tbh

 
Memnon said:
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Don't do it Cleveland... Please, just don't.

Goodell needs to step in David Stern style & forbid the Browns from drafting either QB.
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Giants or Raiders need to trade up lol.

Honestly the closer we get to draft day either titans are going to be a lock to draft him or a team will have traded up for him already imo. He is going #1 overall
 
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Memnon said:
****, I thought for sure Stafford was getting traded.

McVay took a look at the Free Agent QB pool & was like, "you know what, nevermind.."
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Yeah just bad timing, unless McVay was wanting to go in on Darnold tbh, which honestly I'm actually surprised they aren't a bit. But I think given their roster and execution they're getting out of the young guys, I think they have a SB potential the next year or two, so not worth breaking up the good thing you got... Last year would have been the perfect time probably given how good the draft class was.

Apparently they were trying to get pick 6 from Raiders though, but we were unwilling to trade that much. I'm guessing their were thinking between gaining an early 2nd from Giants or Raiders and going into next season with a similarly priced Darnold/Rodgers and though Stafford another year at more money is better... I do 100% think the Rams would have absolutely traded to #1 and drafted Cam if they had traded Stafford for 3 or 6 though.

I do wonder if McVay would choose to do it all over again if he'd have kept Goff and tried to just be more supportive in molding him properly. Obviously the SB ring is reason not to choose that do-over, but If you had Goff performing like these past 2 seasons and how he had him performing over 2017+2018... AND those extra two 1st rounders you gave up.... he's got his flaws for sure, but generally if you give the guy a good/great Oline he will sling it and win you games. He'll just have his 2-3 complete disaster performances, which you'd hope aren't in the playoffs. last yr in playoffs he was great, this go around not so much (but imo he was pressing far too much given they had literally no healthy defenders and knew it was all on Offense and him being perfect)
 
Memnon said:
CB is absolutely stacked in this draft.

Shavon Revel
Zy Alexander
Maxwell Hairston
Jacobee Bryant
Quincy Riley
Azareye'h Thomas
Benjamin Morrison
Nohl Williams
Denzel Burke
O'Donnell Fortune

Are all very skilled Cover Corners outside of the top 4 that you can get from rounds 2-4 & can be expected to be full time starters.

Then there's sleepers like Bilhal Kone & Zah Frazier that could slip to the later rounds, but will still be very good players as they maturate in the league.
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Zah Frazier had a very good Combine performance. Always worry with CBs under 190lbs though.

But DARIEN PORTER! Just an absolutely elite combine performance. Gotta re-look at him for sure. I had him like maybe 10th ish in tier below revel, hairston, thomas, morrison, and amos... and with nohl williams, and cobee bryant... but That's certainly worth re-examining. Also Kitan Crawford out of Nevada, who I know like nothing about besides he was at Texas and people actually had speed/burst questions about him... well gotta look into him some more cause his performance was elite too, and his only knock today is his height. But **** at 5'10" 202lbs he ran 4.41, with a 41" vert, a 4.03s shuttle... I guess he's more been at safety, but those are some you wonder if he can be a CB numbers...

You viewing Starks and Barron as more Nickels and/or Safeties? I think both are great players, and I expect both to be 1st rounders. Starks seems like he's going to be another Brian Branch kinda bad combine performer that could fall and end up a steal, and actually has good playing speed. Just a good player.

I like Trey Amos too who you didn't list and he had a solid/good day.

Thomas is hella young- I think one of like 5 youngest in the draft if I'm not mistaken?, which combined with his measurements (height, weight, hand size, arm length/wingspan is good), and I think he's fast too. Though him not doing the drills is a little sus, and the only one he did the broad jump was nothing special.

Zy Alexander had a dog**** day though.
 
For as highly as I think this TE draft class is, this is about one of worst TE combine performances in a while lol. Like Last year or two years ago, it was elite performance after elite performance. But this year, not very good. But maybe that's cause a lot of top guys didn't perform... Wish we could have seen Arroyo perform next to this crop though it would have significantly helped his stock imo. Like no Warren, Loveland, or Mason Taylor combine performance. Arroyo would have easily been the top TE performer imo.
 
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