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It’s a catch 22. I’ve been saying it.
How can possibly ask the boosters to pay top notch money (probably 200% higher already than previous staffs) when they gave an elite recruiter 80Ms.

In their mind I know they’re sitting there like “wait I allocated more funds in last 16 months than ever before, and you’re asking me for more to land an elite class? Why did we hire Mario then?”

Honestly, they have a leg to stand on.
 
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MumbleRap said:
It’s a catch 22. I’ve been saying it.
How can possibly ask the boosters to pay top notch money (probably 200% higher already than previous staffs) when they gave an elite recruiter 80Ms.

In their mind I know they’re sitting there like “wait I allocated more funds in last 16 months than ever before, and you’re asking me for more to land an elite class? Why did we hire Mario then?”

Honestly, they have a leg to stand on.
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You make a good point as well.

What a cluster****.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Overpaying is relative to what other offers are on the table and what that money can be used on other players of similar caliber.

If a player had one offer for $3M yet everyone else offered $1M and you could get someone comparable for $2M, yes matching that $3M would be an overpay.
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That’s just another way of justifying going cheap though. If the player was comparable he would be getting 3Ms as well. If he’s not & he’s ranked lower then you’re just betting on the 2M player becoming as productive as choice 1.

Slippery slope when done 10-12 times a year.
 
I’m fine with us not overpaying for OL this class since we landed the best OL class we’ve ever had last year, with what looks to be 3-4 future 1st round talents.

And Mario and Mirabal have a proven track record of identifying and developing top OLs

But why are we not spending elsewhere ie. DT, DE, CB, QB, etc.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Overpaying is relative to what other offers are on the table and what that money can be used on other players of similar caliber.

If a player had one offer for $3M yet everyone else offered $1M and you could get someone comparable for $2M, yes matching that $3M would be an overpay.
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Maybe for you it is which is the problem. If the school that pays 3m has a 100m budget and you only have a 30m budget then you are going to have this issue a lot. What’s an overpay to you might not be an overpay to the big schools.
 
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MumbleRap said:
It’s a catch 22. I’ve been saying it.
How can possibly ask the boosters to pay top notch money (probably 200% higher already than previous staffs) when they gave an elite recruiter 80Ms.

In their mind I know they’re sitting there like “wait I allocated more funds in last 16 months than ever before, and you’re asking me for more to land an elite class? Why did we hire Mario then?”

Honestly, they have a leg to stand on.
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Yep. And were rewarded with an unmitigated disaster on the field
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Truth hurts, doesn’t it.

We won’t pony up. It took one year to back off the financial commitment.

Unbelievable man. Maddening.
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Backed off would imply less money. Unless you're saying that is the case you should change your language.
 
Gables Cane said:
This might be an unpopular take, but I disagree slightly. The University stepped up big time. There are many examples…his salary…the coaching staff budget….additional staff members (Highsmith, analysts, quality control, recruiting department, etc.)…increased University budgets….private jets transporting coaches instead of flying commercial…etc. There are many examples of the University’s renewed commitment.

Mario then delivered probably the worst season I have ever seen and that includes Lou Saban and Coker teams. The reason we are being forced to overpay is to compensate for last season. That’s on Mario, not the administration. Yet, some of us want the money brokers to fix things by throwing more cash at the problem. That is the fiscally irresponsible thing to do. Throw good money after a bad product?

Mario needs to fix the product before being rewarded with more money. I can understand why some boosters will say…”nah…I’m going to pay market rate, not overpay.” That’s better than not contributing any money at all. Fixing the product means winning 8 games and not having a losing record. Last year’s performance would give an investor pause before investing again, let alone increasing their contribution.

I like Mario. I want him to succeed. In a world with no limitations and no consequences, we would throw obscene amounts of money at players. But that isn’t reality and Mario made this bed. The onus is on him to dig us out of this mess. He needs to show the fans, boosters, administration and the college football world that his program is on the rise and not fledgling. You do that by winning football games. You win football games and the money will start flowing, again.
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Respectfully, that’s crazy talk. We’re trying to exit the ACC and get into the BiG or SEC. Whatever Mario did last season is irrelevant. We need to show we can play at level. Besides, he’s overhauled the roster and staff since then. Go big or go the **** home.
 
nvlahos said:
I’m fine with us not overpaying for OL this class since we landed the best OL class we’ve ever had last year, with what looks to be 3-4 future 1st round talents.

And Mario and Mirabal have a proven track record of identifying and developing top OLs

But why are we not spending elsewhere ie. DT, DE, CB, QB, etc.
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calinative umstudent said:
Backed off would imply less money. Unless you're saying that is the case you should change your language.
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Is it not the same thing? In a non capped market, the amount needed fluctuates yearly based on multiple variables.

What doesn’t change is dedication to do what’s needed, that commitment has disappeared
 
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Canesmia01 said:
Maybe for you it is which is the problem. If the school that pays 3m has a 100m budget and you only have a 30m budget then you are going to have this issue a lot. What’s an overpay to you might not be an overpay to the big schools.
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But your budget is your budget. If our budget is that big of a differential between schools like Texas, it just means we have to be even more careful and smart how we spend our money, and people should stop *****ing so much about THAT aspect of it.

This is how it works. You have your budget. You break off amounts that you want to spend for each position group - maybe Mario says we need to spend disproportionate amount on WR and DT/EDGE this year. Maybe those 2 groups account for 40% of our budget. So each position group essentially has it's own budget. Sure if you spend less than you planned in one it can increase availability of another, you gotta be able to react fast, but you should generally stick to your gameplan.. If you overspend on one guy in that group, you have less for the other 3. So maybe you won't be able to get 5 studs in one position group. But we can get 3 or even 4 if we spend wisely.
 
MumbleRap said:
Is it not the same thing? In a non capped market, the amount needed fluctuates yearly based on multiple variables.

What doesn’t change is dedication to do what’s needed, that commitment has disappeared
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No it's not. If we say we're committed to spending $10M/yr on NIL then we do that, if other teams are committed to spending $12M/yr, that doesn't mean we have backed off our commitment. It means we haven't kept pace.
 
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Gables Cane said:
This might be an unpopular take, but I disagree slightly. The University stepped up big time. There are many examples…his salary…the coaching staff budget….additional staff members (Highsmith, analysts, quality control, recruiting department, etc.)…increased University budgets….private jets transporting coaches instead of flying commercial…etc. There are many examples of the University’s renewed commitment.

Mario then delivered probably the worst season I have ever seen and that includes Lou Saban and Coker teams. The reason we are being forced to overpay is to compensate for last season. That’s on Mario, not the administration. Yet, some of us want the money brokers to fix things by throwing more cash at the problem. That is the fiscally irresponsible thing to do. Throw good money after a bad product?

Mario needs to fix the product before being rewarded with more money. I can understand why some boosters will say…”nah…I’m going to pay market rate, not overpay.” That’s better than not contributing any money at all. Fixing the product means winning 8 games and not having a losing record. Last year’s performance would give an investor pause before investing again, let alone increasing their contribution.

I like Mario. I want him to succeed. In a world with no limitations and no consequences, we would throw obscene amounts of money at players. But that isn’t reality and Mario made this bed. The onus is on him to dig us out of this mess. He needs to show the fans, boosters, administration and the college football world that his program is on the rise and not fledgling. You do that by winning football games. You win football games and the money will start flowing, again.
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Shouldn’t it be understood though (given that this program has been a dumpster fire for two decades but also understanding what it can be when right) that this needed to be a longer term investment (4-5 year window)? I don’t excuse Mario for last year but to suggest a swift change in investment off one year misses the point of the plan to begin with.

If you’re pausing already, you shouldn’t have invested to begin with because scared money won’t sustain high level results in the future. Same can be said if they’re arrogant enough to believe they set the market (which has obviously changed).

I agree that Mario needs to win now…..get the same results this year or limited improvement by year 3 with plenty of time and resources……it’s a different discussion. UNTIL THEN, it’s not fiscally irresponsible if the task at hand was clearly understood.
 
calinative umstudent said:
But your budget is your budget. If our budget is that big of a differential between schools like Texas, it just means we have to be even more careful and smart how we spend our money, and people should stop *****ing so much about THAT aspect of it.

This is how it works. You have your budget. You break off amounts that you want to spend for each position group - maybe Mario says we need to spend disproportionate amount on WR and DT/EDGE this year. Maybe those 2 groups account for 40% of our budget. Then each position group you have a budget. If you overspend on one guy in that group, you have less for the other 3. So maybe you won't be able to get 5 studs in one position group. But we can get 3 or even 4 if we spend wisely.
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Oh right then I’m in agreement with that: i guess I am just now making the assumption that our budget is not as high as we need it to be if we want an elite class and have to pay the sick tax. Other schools can do it but don’t think we can.
 
We’ve all seen Mario attempt to coach a game before. Imagine how ugly this gets if we aren’t paying anymore and continue grabbing manny specials from the bargain bin. Heard there was another recruit ranked 1500 just salivating to join the class

We need to prove we belong in one of the big 2 conferences
 
itsacanething said:
clearly wasn't an impressive first year on the job but grade is definitely an Incomplete after year 1 not an F. newly hired coaches usually do not get F's when the rebuild job is as big as this job was/is.
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This is a very big excuse. How is it that Manny, someone who most of this board HATED as a HC here could do a better job with the same players? Mario and only Mario put our team in the worst position last year.

We can trace all of last year failure to Mario. He hired the coaches, he put coaches in place that ran systems that didn't fit our players, he didn't have our team prepared to play, he didn't get the most out of his players, and lets not talk about the in game strategy and use of time outs. the only thing he did well was close on 22 class and recruit the 2023 class. The rest has SUCKED and bigly.

Now I hope he can turn it around and he can get the ball rolling, i really want that. I want to him to succeed. I want to be able to have fun watching miami football on Saturdays in the fall again. I hope he is the guy cause if he isn't we're in for a world of hurt. even more than we've been in the last 20+ years. What excuse does he have left not to beat the teams he should?
 
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