2018 DE Andrew Chatfield's junior highlights

[RattlerCane305]

Good stuff as always, CCH.

The obvious reason marquee programs have taken their time with Chatfield is that he has LB size and DL athleticism.

Sometimes though there are just natural pass rushers who get to the QB despite less than elite measurables. I would offer and hope he fills out a little. The Weaver twins had 20 sacks each as HS kids but could never find a real role in college as tweeners.

Is he a short arm dude? It's nice to have long arms as a pass rusher.

I'm picking up what you're putting down Chise as far as Drew being a tweener but his case is a little different from the Weaver twins. Those two had freakish speed off the edge but even though they pulled those shoulder pad tricks at the West, them cats prolly weighed 190 when they reported to Greentree. Drew is not as fast as them but if he was an inch two taller & maybe 15-20 lbs heavier, he'd be a prototype DE prospect. I think he improves his 40 and other quick twitch times and he'll be the hottest edge recruit out there. Nah he's not short-armed either. Not a pterodactyl but not a T-Rex, closer to the former though.

 

[DerekDohrman]

the 40 times from that 2016 nike miami combine were all very slow...even for the elite speed guys.

id bet he could put up a 4.8

 

[gogeta4]

he has a long wingspan.

I told you to have him work stand up drills as a LB.. [MENTION=13993]RattlerCane305[/MENTION]

He's a kid that is in the Trent Harris mold...just need to get him to worlk flexibility...the weight will come..Im betting he is 6'2 closer to 6'3 and 225 right now.

I think he should have an offer by Spring. If im you Unc...i try to take him down to UM as much as i can unofficially...you can pretty much contact the support staff coaches and set stuff pup with them....put him in the coaches faces constantly

 

[randolph herndon]

Good stuff as always, CCH.

The obvious reason marquee programs have taken their time with Chatfield is that he has LB size and DL athleticism.

Sometimes though there are just natural pass rushers who get to the QB despite less than elite measurables. I would offer and hope he fills out a little. The Weaver twins had 20 sacks each as HS kids but could never find a real role in college as tweeners.

Is he a short arm dude? It's nice to have long arms as a pass rusher.

I recall one of the Weaver boys ended up as a back-up safety at FIU in their very beginnings of football. Not to impressive for the high school numbers they put up.

 

[brock]

40 times for dlineman are meaningless. How often are they running 40 yards down the field? The 10 yard split is way more important

 

[1953]

the 40 times from that 2016 nike miami combine were all very slow...even for the elite speed guys.

id bet he could put up a 4.8

This is talking strictly the 40 times at the Nike 3/6/2016--

It was a mixed bag but for the most part there were quite a few fast time. When compared to OL and DL men he was not so great and even less so against the better LBs. He was not all that far ahead of some 270 lb. linemen and sometimes worse and the only ones he was only marginally better than 345 pounders like Donaldson and when their huge weight as factored in they were position specifically better. .

Here are the times from the top performers at the Nike Combine 3-6-2016--height, weight then 40.

Henderson, Christopher17 DB Columbus FL 6-1 175 4.35
Townsend, DeMarcus 18 RB Gulf Coast FL 5-11 192 4.40
Sandy, Carlos 18 WR Cardinal Gibbons FL 5-8 153 4.45
Benjamin, Kenny 17 RB Dunbar (FL) FL 5-6.5 153 4.46
Gallimore, Lio'undre 17 WR Miami Norland FL 5-8 159 4.47
Waters, Marquis 17 DB Atlantic FL 6-0 192 4.48
Smart, Chauncy 17 WR Auburndale FL 5-8 166 4.48
Davis, Camron 18 RB Carol City FL 5-9.5 187 4.50
Golden, George 17 WR Dillard FL 5-7 152 4.51

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Garvin, Jonathan 17 DL Lake Worth FL 6-4 225 4.87

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Kaminski, Connor 17 LB Melbourne FL 6-1 208 4.66

***ot, Diego 17 LB Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) FL 6-3 231 4.87

Cowan, VanDarius 17 LB Palm Beach Gardens FL 6-4 217 4.77

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Donaldson, Navaughn 17 OL Miami Central FL 6-5.5 345 5.29

Lichtenstein, Jacob 17 DL Cypress Bay FL 6-5 239 4.98

Chambers, Deondre 17 OL Miramar FL 6-3 270 5.18

Scaife Jr., Delone 18 OL Killian FL 6-3 283 5.26

Paulino, Lashawn 17 DL Coconut Creek FL 6-3 240 4.90

Colson, Rashad 17 OL Carol City FL 6-5.5 277 5.25

Williams, Rashawd 17 DL Boyd Anderson FL 5-11 274 5.15

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Bethel, Matthew 17 QB Krop FL 6-1 222 4.79

 

[stb]

40 times for dlineman are meaningless. How often are they running 40 yards down the field? The 10 yard split is way more important

He had better hope he grows into a DE as he would be another Terry McCray as a LB. Just too slow.

 

[stb]

the 40 times from that 2016 nike miami combine were all very slow...even for the elite speed guys.

id bet he could put up a 4.8

This is talking strictly the 40 times at the Nike 3/6/2016--

It was a mixed bag but for the most part there were quite a few fast time. When compared to OL and DL men he was not so great and even less so against the better LBs. He was not all that far ahead of some 270 lb. linemen and sometimes worse and the only ones he was only marginally better than 345 pounders like Donaldson and when their huge weight as factored in they were position specifically better. .

Here are the times from the top performers at the Nike Combine 3-6-2016--height, weight then 40.

Henderson, Christopher17 DB Columbus FL 6-1 175 4.35
Townsend, DeMarcus 18 RB Gulf Coast FL 5-11 192 4.40
Sandy, Carlos 18 WR Cardinal Gibbons FL 5-8 153 4.45
Benjamin, Kenny 17 RB Dunbar (FL) FL 5-6.5 153 4.46
Gallimore, Lio'undre 17 WR Miami Norland FL 5-8 159 4.47
Waters, Marquis 17 DB Atlantic FL 6-0 192 4.48
Smart, Chauncy 17 WR Auburndale FL 5-8 166 4.48
Davis, Camron 18 RB Carol City FL 5-9.5 187 4.50
Golden, George 17 WR Dillard FL 5-7 152 4.51

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Garvin, Jonathan 17 DL Lake Worth FL 6-4 225 4.87

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Kaminski, Connor 17 LB Melbourne FL 6-1 208 4.66

***ot, Diego 17 LB Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) FL 6-3 231 4.87

Cowan, VanDarius 17 LB Palm Beach Gardens FL 6-4 217 4.77

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Donaldson, Navaughn 17 OL Miami Central FL 6-5.5 345 5.29

Lichtenstein, Jacob 17 DL Cypress Bay FL 6-5 239 4.98

Chambers, Deondre 17 OL Miramar FL 6-3 270 5.18

Scaife Jr., Delone 18 OL Killian FL 6-3 283 5.26

Paulino, Lashawn 17 DL Coconut Creek FL 6-3 240 4.90

Colson, Rashad 17 OL Carol City FL 6-5.5 277 5.25

Williams, Rashawd 17 DL Boyd Anderson FL 5-11 274 5.15

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Bethel, Matthew 17 QB Krop FL 6-1 222 4.79

I am assuming you are comparing his speed as if he were to play LB.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

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We have yet to offer Chatfield, but he's coming off a season in which he recorded 24.5 sacks at American Heritage. Listed at 6'3", 220 pounds and has the potential to be groomed into a monster by Kuligowski. Ranked as a four-star recruit by 247 Sports and a high three-star recruit in their early composite rankings.

Curious to see if we'll be making him a priority for the 2018 class. We haven't had any success at American Heritage, but he looks like a **** of a player.

Andrew Chatfield, American Heritage, Weak-Side Defensive End

Good God!!!!!!!!!!! Insane first step, explosive and instinctual with a sick closing burst as well. Add to that he has the perfect frame to add muscle. How is it possible that he doesn't have an offer??? It's a given that Kool knows about this kid so what is the delay offering about? By 2019 we could have a 6'5" 260lb Terminator on our hands. Must get×1000.

 

[randolph herndon]

Needs to go to a Nike or Paradise to see him against other top flight opponents. DE is his position. I doubt he could ever be a LB especially in coverage. I can see why we wanted Waymon Steed as he has the play on the field and measurables.


Steed, Waynmon 6-0(Ht) 221(Wt) 4.74(40) 4.33(shuttle) 40(power ball) 31.6(vertical)

 

[DerekDohrman]

the 40 times from that 2016 nike miami combine were all very slow...even for the elite speed guys.

id bet he could put up a 4.8

This is talking strictly the 40 times at the Nike 3/6/2016--

It was a mixed bag but for the most part there were quite a few fast time. When compared to OL and DL men he was not so great and even less so against the better LBs. He was not all that far ahead of some 270 lb. linemen and sometimes worse and the only ones he was only marginally better than 345 pounders like Donaldson and when their huge weight as factored in they were position specifically better. .

Here are the times from the top performers at the Nike Combine 3-6-2016--height, weight then 40.

Henderson, Christopher17 DB Columbus FL 6-1 175 4.35
Townsend, DeMarcus 18 RB Gulf Coast FL 5-11 192 4.40
Sandy, Carlos 18 WR Cardinal Gibbons FL 5-8 153 4.45
Benjamin, Kenny 17 RB Dunbar (FL) FL 5-6.5 153 4.46
Gallimore, Lio'undre 17 WR Miami Norland FL 5-8 159 4.47
Waters, Marquis 17 DB Atlantic FL 6-0 192 4.48
Smart, Chauncy 17 WR Auburndale FL 5-8 166 4.48
Davis, Camron 18 RB Carol City FL 5-9.5 187 4.50
Golden, George 17 WR Dillard FL 5-7 152 4.51

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Garvin, Jonathan 17 DL Lake Worth FL 6-4 225 4.87

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Kaminski, Connor 17 LB Melbourne FL 6-1 208 4.66

***ot, Diego 17 LB Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) FL 6-3 231 4.87

Cowan, VanDarius 17 LB Palm Beach Gardens FL 6-4 217 4.77

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Donaldson, Navaughn 17 OL Miami Central FL 6-5.5 345 5.29

Lichtenstein, Jacob 17 DL Cypress Bay FL 6-5 239 4.98

Chambers, Deondre 17 OL Miramar FL 6-3 270 5.18

Scaife Jr., Delone 18 OL Killian FL 6-3 283 5.26

Paulino, Lashawn 17 DL Coconut Creek FL 6-3 240 4.90

Colson, Rashad 17 OL Carol City FL 6-5.5 277 5.25

Williams, Rashawd 17 DL Boyd Anderson FL 5-11 274 5.15

______________________________
Bethel, Matthew 17 QB Krop FL 6-1 222 4.79

they clocked Harley 4.52
bandy 4.68
daniel wright 4.71
dominick watt 4.72
james cook 4.74
deandre wilder 4.81

 

[randolph herndon]

40 times for dlineman are meaningless. How often are they running 40 yards down the field? The 10 yard split is way more important

10 yards is even extending it. You can be fast straight ahead and lack ability to get low and turn a corner. Vertical for explosion and short shuttle to show change of direction quickness.

Game film against TOP competitors they go against not just a top team with an average player possibly he faces.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

**** I'm shocked by that 40 time, he plays waaay faster than a 5 second 40 guy. I'm certain he'll blow that time outta the water this year because he does have lb athleticism.

I now understand why schools are taking more of a wait and see approach with Chatfield. The tweener concern is valid with many players his size. I don't agree in this case however. Let's assume he is 6'2" 215lbs right now. I see a kid that has the frame to add good weight and perhaps grow an inch or two. What I can't do is ignore his obvious skills and attributes. That quickness, instinctivness and and short area explosion are elite. To me he is a take all day. At worse we end up with a pure pass rushing specialist.

 

[randolph herndon]

the 40 times from that 2016 nike miami combine were all very slow...even for the elite speed guys.

id bet he could put up a 4.8

This is talking strictly the 40 times at the Nike 3/6/2016--

It was a mixed bag but for the most part there were quite a few fast time. When compared to OL and DL men he was not so great and even less so against the better LBs. He was not all that far ahead of some 270 lb. linemen and sometimes worse and the only ones he was only marginally better than 345 pounders like Donaldson and when their huge weight as factored in they were position specifically better. .

Here are the times from the top performers at the Nike Combine 3-6-2016--height, weight then 40.

Henderson, Christopher17 DB Columbus FL 6-1 175 4.35
Townsend, DeMarcus 18 RB Gulf Coast FL 5-11 192 4.40
Sandy, Carlos 18 WR Cardinal Gibbons FL 5-8 153 4.45
Benjamin, Kenny 17 RB Dunbar (FL) FL 5-6.5 153 4.46
Gallimore, Lio'undre 17 WR Miami Norland FL 5-8 159 4.47
Waters, Marquis 17 DB Atlantic FL 6-0 192 4.48
Smart, Chauncy 17 WR Auburndale FL 5-8 166 4.48
Davis, Camron 18 RB Carol City FL 5-9.5 187 4.50
Golden, George 17 WR Dillard FL 5-7 152 4.51

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Garvin, Jonathan 17 DL Lake Worth FL 6-4 225 4.87

-----------------
Kaminski, Connor 17 LB Melbourne FL 6-1 208 4.66

***ot, Diego 17 LB Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) FL 6-3 231 4.87

Cowan, VanDarius 17 LB Palm Beach Gardens FL 6-4 217 4.77

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Donaldson, Navaughn 17 OL Miami Central FL 6-5.5 345 5.29

Lichtenstein, Jacob 17 DL Cypress Bay FL 6-5 239 4.98

Chambers, Deondre 17 OL Miramar FL 6-3 270 5.18

Scaife Jr., Delone 18 OL Killian FL 6-3 283 5.26

Paulino, Lashawn 17 DL Coconut Creek FL 6-3 240 4.90

Colson, Rashad 17 OL Carol City FL 6-5.5 277 5.25

Williams, Rashawd 17 DL Boyd Anderson FL 5-11 274 5.15

______________________________
Bethel, Matthew 17 QB Krop FL 6-1 222 4.79

they clocked Harley 4.52
bandy 4.68
daniel wright 4.71
dominick watt 4.72
james cook 4.74
deandre wilder 4.81

Even though I am not the OP I will attempt to answer those time discrepancies you brought forth. I see your premise but there is short and long spring speed. That RB McFarland we are trying to land is unreal in the 55 and 60 m dashes well below the national elite times for high schoolers but actually "slows" down a little at 100m and 200m is regards to his 55m and 60m but that is great for a RB..

Watt is not blazing fast as far as track speed goes and has not yet participated in HS track and field. Cook is a 400 meter star has run it in 47.90 (NE 49.50) but 100m is in the lower 11s (NE 10.80) Cook is young and still developing. Wright is somewhat of an enigma as he gets faster over distance and is not a starter. His best 100m is 11.37(NE 10.80), 200m(NE 22.00)-22.24 and 400m-48.60(NE 49.50) that is why he will be a safety not a CB. Wilder is a 200m longer sprinter best there 22.87(NE 22.00) but best 100m 11.54(NE 10.80). Bandy best 100m is 11.24 (NE 10.80)and is not blazingly fast but is a real downhill player with a very good burst. Harley 100m 10.78 (NE 10.80) I do not know what to think of him. But a 4.52 is not a bad legit time.

What does all this comparison mean??? Some people do not play as fast as they time out and others the opposite. It will be interesting to see how this player fans out and develops in the next year. I believe his size at 6-2 tall is possibly a problem. I am guessing that colleges are watching to see if he grown anymore vertically, does he have the frame to weight more, etc. If so look for the offers to come in.

This will be one of those interesting situations to watch.

Here is a kid that timed out at the Nike in March with a with a 5.10--40 but had a good 4.53 shuttle. He was good sized and is now 6-6 and 230 and going to the Irish-- He was 220 at the combine- but he is 6-6.
Noah Curtis - Hudl

anyway enjoyed good debate with you

 

[stb]

This was a civil well thought out discussion and I enjoyed reading and participating in it.

 

[JgDaCane]

Great thread fellas. Really enjoyed it. Hope the kid gets his offer. Go Canes!

 

[FreePawn]

Good lord I hope we aren't holding out because because of a slow 40. That tape doesn't lie.

 

[RattlerCane305]

he has a long wingspan.

I told you to have him work stand up drills as a LB.. [MENTION=13993]RattlerCane305[/MENTION]

He's a kid that is in the Trent Harris mold...just need to get him to worlk flexibility...the weight will come..Im betting he is 6'2 closer to 6'3 and 225 right now.

I think he should have an offer by Spring. If im you Unc...i try to take him down to UM as much as i can unofficially...you can pretty much contact the support staff coaches and set stuff pup with them....put him in the coaches faces constantly

Trust me Gogeta, that's been the plan for quite a while now. I had already suggested that to him before to you brought it up in the other thread, and reminded him again afterwards. He's been putting in the work needed for him to wow people with his play in space on the camp circuit. I'd agree with those measurables too. He's gonna be at least a barefoot 6'3" when he signs his LOI. I'm already gonna be spending more time with Drew in the next few months working on these test scores so I'll be available to run em on down to Gables. I'll talk to Drew and Ty's folks ASAP about me taking them down there. I'm certain they'll agree but I never want to overstep my boundaries. But trust me Prop Joe I'm pulling all of the tricks outta my bag for these two, I'm talking giving their numbers to Willis and Dre so they can hit em up with some kind words about The U, getting all of the U football alumnus that I know(shiiiddd I went to Springs Middle with 3 of em)to follow them on Twitter, **** like that. ****, the support staff might wanna hire me after they see how bad I want those two in Orange & Green...

 

[coolpat305]

Maaaaaaaaaan I'm 5'9", 5'10" on a good day 200 lbs. I'm gonna drive down to the Hecht and Me and Coach Kool are gonna fight if my nephew doesn't get his offer soon. Lil Drew is the best edge rusher in America and he's DYING for the love he should be getting from the U. Even though he plays for AH he's a CC kid(Jesus Christ imagine him at his home school!!!) who's raised by real Ol' School Dade County brothers. Nunna that west of I-75 happy-go-lucky dance routine ****. Straight Hit Stick Bust **** Maniac ****!!! The last time I talked to him face to face, he confirmed with that he LOVES The U but he feels like the staff is sleeping on him. If I had 24.5 sacks & no offer, I'd feel like they were sleeping on me too. I know for a fact that if we turn up the heat on him and continue trending up on-field, he's ours to lose. Another key is Drew & my blood family Tyson were always cool and their bond grew closer when hey found out how close their families are. Offer Drew and put the FULL COURT PRESS on him and Tyand 2018's best front-back end duo could be Canes on signing day...

Yall related to Candy Chatfield, James Chatfield her dad

 

[Suarez]

40 times for dlineman are meaningless. How often are they running 40 yards down the field? The 10 yard split is way more important

He had better hope he grows into a DE as he would be another Terry McCray as a LB. Just too slow.

He seems considerably bigger than McCray was in highschool and his film and production are on another stratosphere compared to him...