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2017 team vs. 2024 team

Speedrush said:
They couldn't pass at will on Saturday though, right. Just keeping it đź’Ż. I have the ability to see things objectively which can be deemed a sin on this board apparently.
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You claim"objectively" but post ignorantly. No, we couldn't pass at will against a team that went all out to stop the pass. Cam smartly didn't try to force a lot into double coverage, and Dawson smartly focused on the run game. We DOMINATED that game. Yes, running uses up more time, so fewer drives and fewer scores. We only had 8 possessions and scored on 7. At no point were we in danger of losing after our opening drive. That is domination
 
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If you really want to blow your mind. Compare the statistics of the 2017 team that started 10-0 before the Rosier handicap destroyed us and the 2023 team that was 7-6.

2017 403 ypg
2023 431 ypg

2017 364 ypg allowed
2023 321 ypg allowed

2023 also allowed less ypc and yards per pass, averaged more first downs per game and allowed less first downs per game. Completed a whopping 12% more of its passes

The difference? Turnovers +13 to -4
 
dk72 said:
You claim"objectively" but post ignorantly. No, we couldn't pass at will against a team that went all out to stop the pass. Cam smartly didn't try to force a lot into double coverage, and Dawson smartly focused on the run game. We DOMINATED that game. Yes, running uses up more time, so fewer drives and fewer scores. We only had 8 possessions and scored on 7. At no point were we in danger of losing after our opening drive. That is domination
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You seem to have missed the jist of my post, I wasn't saying that the team is similar position by position, I was saying they are similar in that they make games dogfights when they shouldn't be and end up having to win close games.
 
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If you really want to blow your mind. Compare the statistics of the 2017 team that started 10-0 before the Rosier handicap destroyed us and the 2023 team that was 7-6.

2017 403 ypg
2023 431 ypg

2017 364 ypg allowed
2023 321 ypg allowed

2023 also allowed less ypc and yards per pass, averaged more first downs per game and allowed less first downs per game. Completed a whopping 12% more of its passes

The difference? Turnovers +13 to -4
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In otherwords the defense made the biggest difference in 2017 I agree, this year the defense is offensively driven whereas in 2017 it was differently driven. My point was that they both let teams hang around when they should have 86'd them.
 
Speedrush said:
After 3 lackluster performances this team is starting to remind me of the 2017 team where just about every game was closer than it should have been and most were nail-biters. At least we're still winning, but **** even the 2017 team started 10-0.
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Just wanted to refresh this thread to see if it hits a little different now?
 
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Speedrush said:
After 3 lackluster performances this team is starting to remind me of the 2017 team where just about every game was closer than it should have been and most were nail-biters. At least we're still winning, but **** even the 2017 team started 10-0.
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SAME OLE SAME OLE! 🤦🏾‍♂️
 
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Speedrush said:
After 3 lackluster performances this team is starting to remind me of the 2017 team where just about every game was closer than it should have been and most were nail-biters. At least we're still winning, but **** even the 2017 team started 10-0.
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I just thought it was time to refresh this thread. THAT IS ALL!
 
2017 team was significantly better at every position besides QB which is obviously the most important. But still feel 2017 team beats this team by a couple scores

2024 O line much better also*
 
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ST26 said:
Every position? I’d take this years oline, WR core, and rb room. Heck I think Arroyo may be better than Herndon
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2017 receiving core was light years better than this years team. Richards is the only true #1 we’ve had since Hankerson. Jeff Thomas was a nightmare to defend.

Herndon and arroyo are a wash

2017 rb room was better than this years simply on the fact that they can house anything

Mistake by me. You’re absolutely right that the o line on this years team is better. By a wide margin also
 
2017 team was significantly better and here’s why: Ahmmon Richards went down in the Pitt finale….ditto for the conference championship game and the Orange Bowl game vs Wisconsin. If he plays, does it change the outcome? I think vs Pitt it does. ACCCG we lost, what 30-3, so I’ll say no, we just weren’t ready for Clemson at that point. Orange Bowl vs Wisky, toss up, but I think with big plays in the passing game, we score more which doesn’t allow Wisky to pound us (no diddy) in the running game. We finish with 1 loss at 12-1….Ahmmon Richards meant that much to that team, kid was special and changed games.

Now - this years team has none of the built in excuses of injury etc etc, because we by and large were healthy. We had a special QB and an elite OFF but our DEF literally prevented us from blowing out teams - which IMO affected how the CFP committee ultimately judged us.

All things equal and both teams healthy - the 2017 team would punish the 2024 team - simply due to the fact that the 2017 team has a pulse on DEF. One could even argue that the secondary was a strength on that team with JaQuan, MJ28, Bandy and those boys.
 
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2017 won more conference games and made it to the ACCCG. It would have had 11 wins but we canceled Arkansas St. because of a hurricane.

Unless something playoff related happens 2017 is the better team.
 
3FW said:
That team lost their top WR, TE, and RB down the stretch. Elite players. This team had no excuse.
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Until we find out down the road that this player or that one is getting surgery to clean up their shoulder and had played hurt all season. It seems that's always the case and highlights the importance of depth.
 
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