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2017 American Heritage LB James Houston IV offered by Miami

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can4life said:
Geo305 said:
can4life said:
Dunning seems kind of stiff to me i think him and steed is a little overrated.
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First statement I can agree to small extent. Second one, not at all. Underrate

Do you think dunning and steed can compete for playing time with with the guys we have and guys like wilder?
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Yes and confidently.

Dunning the only pure MLB I have seen us realistically go after or realistically linked with in 2017. Neither of the two are slouches at all. I've explained numerous times why Dunning played a lot of DL this year.

Do I think Wilder is a better prospect than both? Yes, he has speed and size and aggression that you can't just teach a LBer. Does he have the mass yet? No, you have to take all factors into account. Think he still may be a little raw(not a knock cause that's what coaching is for)

There is also the apples to oranges concept I've mentioned. I view the best fits as... Wilder as a SLB, Steed as a WLB, Kearney as a SLB or WLB, Dunning as a MLB.

Can they play other LB positions? Yes, but it's what fits what they do best. Fit plays a huge part.

I mentioned a while back about Shaq as a MLB, McCloud as a SLB and Pinckney as a WLB. Diaz came out in an interview a few weeks back about what he would look to do with them and mentioned those positions. Can they play other LB positions? Yes, but a lot comes down to best fit as well.

Not blaming only you but I feel just a few people have the "shiny new tow" syndrome when it's coming to some prospects and new offers recently. Every 2017 commit we have right now is Miami caliber, the issue was 2016 surplus of questionable takes.

Like Shaqs dad would say. Once you commit, you kind of turn into cold product. People are always looking for the new shiny toy. The thing is I watch a lot of these kids and film even further beyond the 2017 class. I have to try to be fair as possible while rating them. (Even if they do or do not consider Miami)
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Don't think there's much to the Tyler dunning situation IMO. When richt was interviewed last week for signing day he said he was giving the coaches a week or so off after signing day to spend time with their families and I'm quite sure richt and the staffs main priority over the last couple of weeks were to finish off the 16 class so he needs to be patient. Not recruit the 17 class too hard....
 
Geo305 said:
Fly1 said:
Geo305 said:
Spookcane said:
[MENTION=6412]Geo[/MENTION]- Who are your top 4 LB's in this year's class which we have a legitimate shot to land?

That Keary kid is a f*cking beast.. He has Eddie "the Goon" Johnson written all over him..
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Love Kearneys game. Steed and Kearney are the two best of the 3 we. Love how athletic and fast Kearney is. (Steed is the best player going off their Soph film, issue is, Steed didn't play as a junior so I can't vouch for him on junior film. Steed the most instinctive and high football IQ of the group).

Dunning is pure thumper, has size, can lay the boom, physical and possesses pass rush ability. Not as stiff as he was while at Dillard (attribute that to STA coaching and S&C.)

Seen one or two people here not like Kearney and I can comfortably attribute that to looking at a ranking on a profile over actually watching his film.

Kearney being disrespected because he's from JAX IMO and not at a big school. I felt it was a crime that Pinckney didn't get his 4th star after his state title game against Booker T. Even more of a crime that Kearney doesn't have a 4th star yet.

At worst the 3 committed are 4* prospects.

Would like to add Wilder. Love his game and how violent he plays, has ton of upside.

I like the Houston kid out of AH as well. Have to see what happens with Dunning first. (I like him but refer to my tweet earlier.)


As for F'agan from Southridge. I like him at SS more especially in Diaz scheme, take Gayot approach and see how he handles weight in college. If his frame can't hold, you move him down to OLB.
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Kearney plays at Mandarin High....it's not a small school by any stretch. It's at least a 5A school in south Jax
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As popular as Raines is in football? I would venture to say no. Mandarin coach really getting that program right. Best year they had in school history, Kearney was a huge part.
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Geo....you know your stuff now doubt, but you said Mandarin was a small school. I grew up there...and it's not small...and they've made it pretty far into playoffs in he past. I don't know what you mean about popular...or anything...but over the years Mandarin puts out pretty good talent...granted its no STA by any stretch of the imagination. But Kearney plays against good competition.
 
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it's the same guy with the same schtick.. Stop letting him get to you 252..

Now back to the topic. What's not to like about his film. We need 3 at a minimum.
 
Fly1 said:
Geo305 said:
Fly1 said:
Geo305 said:
Spookcane said:
[MENTION=6412]Geo[/MENTION]- Who are your top 4 LB's in this year's class which we have a legitimate shot to land?

That Keary kid is a f*cking beast.. He has Eddie "the Goon" Johnson written all over him..
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Love Kearneys game. Steed and Kearney are the two best of the 3 we. Love how athletic and fast Kearney is. (Steed is the best player going off their Soph film, issue is, Steed didn't play as a junior so I can't vouch for him on junior film. Steed the most instinctive and high football IQ of the group).

Dunning is pure thumper, has size, can lay the boom, physical and possesses pass rush ability. Not as stiff as he was while at Dillard (attribute that to STA coaching and S&C.)

Seen one or two people here not like Kearney and I can comfortably attribute that to looking at a ranking on a profile over actually watching his film.

Kearney being disrespected because he's from JAX IMO and not at a big school. I felt it was a crime that Pinckney didn't get his 4th star after his state title game against Booker T. Even more of a crime that Kearney doesn't have a 4th star yet.

At worst the 3 committed are 4* prospects.

Would like to add Wilder. Love his game and how violent he plays, has ton of upside.

I like the Houston kid out of AH as well. Have to see what happens with Dunning first. (I like him but refer to my tweet earlier.)


As for F'agan from Southridge. I like him at SS more especially in Diaz scheme, take Gayot approach and see how he handles weight in college. If his frame can't hold, you move him down to OLB.
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Kearney plays at Mandarin High....it's not a small school by any stretch. It's at least a 5A school in south Jax
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As popular as Raines is in football? I would venture to say no. Mandarin coach really getting that program right. Best year they had in school history, Kearney was a huge part.
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Geo....you know your stuff now doubt, but you said Mandarin was a small school. I grew up there...and it's not small...and they've made it pretty far into playoffs in he past. I don't know what you mean about popular...or anything...but over the years Mandarin puts out pretty good talent...granted its no STA by any stretch of the imagination. But Kearney plays against good competition.
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I feel he's underappreciated because he doesn't attend the schools like Bolles, Trinity Christian or Raines out in JAX who get more attention.
 
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AUcane said:
How heavy is F'agan?
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Couldn't be any bigger than 180 at the south Florida shootout last year when I saw him. He plays DB mostly in 7on7 settings. Realistically 185-190 range now possibly. No way he's in the 200's, that's inflated for sure.

Not a knock against him on the size thing but he has good cover ability. Unless he outgrows the position, he looks like a fit at SS in Diaz system to me. Everything will depend on how the weight comes on. He still gives you the option to slide down to WLB imo IF he outgrows safety.
 
can4life said:
Dunning seems kind of stiff to me i think him and steed is a little overrated.
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Kinda hard to evaluate his tape with the majority of the plays being at D-line but I agree. On quite a few of those plays he looks kinda stiff and lack knee-bend. He definitely doesn't look the same as James Houston on tape.
 
brock said:
Don't think there's much to the Tyler dunning situation IMO. When richt was interviewed last week for signing day he said he was giving the coaches a week or so off after signing day to spend time with their families and I'm quite sure richt and the staffs main priority over the last couple of weeks were to finish off the 16 class so he needs to be patient. Not recruit the 17 class too hard....
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Idk man. Richt and staff started back on the trail Wednesday.
 
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Dunning is a good player but there's better LBS out there that we need to go after, i don't see him sniffing the field at miami.
 
Obvious this staff understands speed more important than size at LB with all these wide open offenses. Houston has good size and speed. Must admit I too not impressed by Dunning and haven't seen enough of Steed. If I had my choices it'll be:

1. Wilder
2. Miler (Kathleen)
3. F'agan
4. Houston/Kearney
5. Steed
5.
 
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Obvious this staff understands speed more important than size at LB with all these wide open offenses. Houston has good size and speed. Must admit I too not impressed by Dunning and haven't seen enough of Steed. If I had my choices it'll be:

1. Wilder
2. Miler (Kathleen)
3. F'agan
4. Houston/Kearney
5. Steed
5.
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Steed at bare minimum should be #2 on that list. Best football IQ and Instincts of the whole group. Best in coverage IMO, except for I would say F'agan who I project as a SS (Steed was the best player of any as a sophomore. People are going to remember him real quick his senior year.)

F'agan I project as SS for now but I have him as a take regardless. If it's OLB or SS, doesn't matter. You take him.

I like Houston IV upside. He can cover and he's fast but I would like to see more physicality in his game as a senior. Think his size might be a little exaggerated, doesn't look like a 215 LB from when I saw him in person.





I'm not going to bother lumping Kearney into the group at this moment. I had him 2/3 range where I have Steed and Miller.

The weirdest thing with Kearney is that he spoke with both Richt and Diaz, they met him at his school and he was formally invited to Junior Day. It may be possible that Poppa Shaq was right and Kearney might be exploring options.


Dunning has remained with no answer from the staff at all....
 
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