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Rellyrell said:
I just would like to highlight that CIS have criticized Harbaugh, Smart, Day, Dabo, Saban, Kelly, & even Meyer calling them all corches, overrated, or cheaters.

I find that all fascinating.
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There is one maybe two on that list I have criticized for not being good enough. Guess which two.
 

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Rellyrell said:
I just would like to highlight that CIS have criticized Harbaugh, Smart, Day, Dabo, Saban, Kelly, & even Meyer calling them all corches, overrated, or cheaters.

I find that all fascinating.
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As Big Bird would say, one of these things is not like the others.

I believe Day is a corch. All the others are in the pantheon except Kelly who falls just outside it to me. I still don’t see him as a good fit for LSU. But he’s very good Top 10 level coach and I really don’t like the guy so it pains me to admit it.

There definitely needs to be an asterisk on all these coaches though. The bag money gave them a serious advantage that other coaches didn’t have. Saban and Smart most of all. Kelly had the smallest bag which is why he’s at LSU now. But he did have the catholic feeder schools that helped.
 
grover said:
As Big Bird would say, one of these things is not like the others.

I believe Day is a corch. All the others are in the pantheon except Kelly who falls just outside it to me. I still don’t see him as a good fit for LSU. But he’s very good Top 10 level coach and I really don’t like the guy so it pains me to admit it.
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Respectfully; if the guy is bludgeoning top 25 opponents, yet struggling against Top 5 opponents, how is that a corch? I don’t wanna hear what he inherited from Meyer b/c that was 6 yrs ago. If he was a corch, then OSU would be avg. 7-8 wins after Meyer’s players left like:

Coker after Butch
Will Muschamp after Meyer

This criteria of “if u haven’t won a Nat’l Championship then u’re a corch” is asinine to me. Since 2000, do u know many different coaches have won a Nat’l Title? 14. In 25 yrs, only 14 different coaches have won a Nat’l Title.

This ain’t the 80’s or 90’s anymore. With the advent of the BCS - CFP it’s become very difficult to win a Nat’l Title. What I don’t get on this subject matter is how Ryan Day, who coaches in one of the top two conferences in CFB is a corch, but…u know what, nvm. I don’t even like Ryan Day, & I absolutely loathe OSU. The goal post gets moved a lot on this site & there’s a lot of feelings vs. reality posted here.

I don’t expect everyone to have the objective bone in their body, but calling a guy who wins 80+% of his games, been way farther in 6 yrs than we have as a program in 20 yrs is wild af to me.
 
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Let’s see how he does in the new BiG. Outside of Michigan did you really feel like OSU was challenged in conference? Penn State is perennially overrated, but they’re good so I can give you them too. Who else? I just feel his SOS has been hyper-inflated. And Taint’s budget probably equaled the sum of all the other conference opponents’ budgets combined prior to this season outside of Michigan, who was a distant #2 most likely.
 
Not sure if one you guys went and wrote this article based on this thread.....but an extremely good read. Also, further proof that DeBoer is probably the best active coach....or at least the best active coach without a title.

-Few interesting points, Day's worst loss ever was to the 12th ranked team in the country which us pretty crazy
-Mario is 2-1 against top 5 (one over Day)
-Kirby crushes top 5 teams (could have some SEC ranking bias bull****)
-Day's teams have all been top 5 when playing other top 5 teams...and he's 2-6
-The author randomly points out that Mario partially got hired here for his 2 wins over top 5 opponents at Oregon, but then says "but he hasn't won one since" like he's lost a bunch. He played one more top 5 team and lost lmao (FSU last year 27-20)


www.cbssports.com

B1G Time: Ryan Day struggles in big games at Ohio State, but here's why that's not as concerning as you think

Day dropped to 2-6 in games against top-five teams with the loss to Oregon on Saturday
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
Rellyrell said:
I just would like to highlight that CIS have criticized Harbaugh, Smart, Day, Dabo, Saban, Kelly, & even Meyer calling them all corches, overrated, or cheaters.

I find that all fascinating.
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Its like a reverse jinx for those coaches lmao, osu mess around and cash in on the cis reverse jinx this year like kirby and harbaugh did.

This is all hilarious too cause once a team wins out fans get on sites and say we should emulate that coaches method lol. 90% of the hate is just cope
 
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CaneFan79 said:
Whoa, Miami must beat Louisville first. Watched them play Virginia before the epicaricacy of watching OSUck lose; there is a lotta fight in that 4-2 (2-1 ACC) team playing at home and still in the conference race.

After last two games of slow starts and having to rally, this could be a deadly high noon...
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They're one of the few teams in the league that have their destiny in their own hands.
UL still plays us, Clemson, and Pitt.
If they win out, they're in.
 
TrumpyCane said:
1-7 v Top 5 teams

Not elite

TrumpyCane not impressed!
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Elite coaches are on par with other elite coaches, especially with top-5 talent across the board.

Day needed to go minimum 3-5/4-4 in those 8 games.
Can't go 1-8 there.
 
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At this point Ryan Day is basically Bob Stoops without the national title Stoops won when the BCS computers allowed him to duck the Canes on 2000.

And even that might be too generous. Seems like Stoops had more success against his rival (Texas) than Day is having against his (Michigan).
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
How many coaches are 3-5/4-4 against top 5 teams?
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Not a whole helluva lot.
"Elite" is a relative term. Some here throw it around a little too generously, IMO.
Not me.

Just because I don't think Day isn't elite, doesn't mean I don't think he's one of the better coaches in the sport right now.
If we call him elite, is he in the same category as Saban, JJ, Meyer, etc.?
Maybe we need to create a new term...Elite Lite, or Baby Elite, or something like that.

It's a very simple statement.
With equal talent to the opposition, shouldn't you be able to win about half of those games?

Kirby is 10-5 vs top 5. Jimmy was 6-3.
To me, "elite" is the best of the best.
Very select company, I know, but that's my definition.
 
NJshoreCane said:
Not a whole helluva lot.
"Elite" is a relative term. Some here throw it around a little too generously, IMO.
Not me.

Just because I don't think Day isn't elite, doesn't mean I don't think he's one of the better coaches in the sport right now.
If we call him elite, is he in the same category as Saban, JJ, Meyer, etc.?
Maybe we need to create a new term...Elite Lite, or Baby Elite, or something like that.

It's a very simple statement.
With equal talent to the opposition, shouldn't you be able to win about half of those games?

Kirby is 10-5 vs top 5. Jimmy was 6-3.
To me, "elite" is the best of the best.
Very select company, I know, but that's my definition.
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I think the answer to that question in the modern era, is 5 guys. Harbaugh, Saban, Kirby, Urban and Deboer (if you count 2-2 as enough games). Those are HOF’ers.

Combine that with a 61-9 record and elite is a very fair distinction for Day.
 
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