1/27 @ FSU @ 4:00 PM (Watch ESPN)

[IamaCane4Life]

Vasilavij sucks


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Are you blind

Ahh, must be Stevie Wonder

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Has one average game and we sucking ****! Can’t create a shot, can’t play defense, Coach L even says it!


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[thegrove]

Tough one to swallow but I’m glad we shot as well as we did. Gives me confidence moving forward. FSU is 30-1 in their last 31 at home now I believe so we can’t be too upset.

Miami got a split with FSU, and was one Lonnie Walker jumper away from getting a sweep. I'm good with that, especially when one looks at how good FSU is at home. Miami is about to feast on a lot of mediocre teams, especially if LW continues to grow. Miami should and most likely will cruise to 10+ conference wins, and should be pretty hot coming down stretch.

Possible, but barring injuries to key players I think we also will keep getting better, and could compete or at least show well in the ACCT.

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[mirednmediocrity2]

This is NOT a good team and we have 0 recruits coming in because of this FBI scandal. Future, I’m sorry, is bleak.

 

[nystateofmind]

Coach L is a great CEO, great recruiter, very mediocre coach.

Has been the case for several years now. Some sort of change is needed if we want to improve our ceiling.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

This is NOT a good team and we have 0 recruits coming in because of this FBI scandal. Future, I’m sorry, is bleak.

Speaking facts bro.

 

[Consigliere]

NC state just won at UNC. Miami is just not a great team right now. Seriously disappointing thus far. But 11 games left to get 7 or so wins.

What does 11 ACC wins signify?

Well I believe 7 more wins gets us to 10 wins and that'd be 10 and 8 which should be good enough to make the tourney. Anything less is cutting it extremely close.

7 more wins gets us to 11. So I repeat, what does 11 ACC wins signify?

 

[LPCanes26]

NC state just won at UNC. Miami is just not a great team right now. Seriously disappointing thus far. But 11 games left to get 7 or so wins.

What does 11 ACC wins signify?

Well I believe 7 more wins gets us to 10 wins and that'd be 10 and 8 which should be good enough to make the tourney. Anything less is cutting it extremely close.

7 more wins gets us to 11. So I repeat, what does 11 ACC wins signify?

Dude can you read? I posted again saying I forgot we had 4 acc wins so I changed my answer to needing 6 more wins in the acc. Yikes! You just like to start **** don't ya?

 

[casualcane]

The feed on ESPN3 was really choppy for me for whatever reason. That being said.

The bad:

FSU was shooting close to 70% through part of half 2 and finished the game shooting 60%.

FSU shot 39 FTs to our 13, outscoring us 28 to 9 at the FTL. 39 FT attempts.

BB continues to struggle shooting wise, going 5 for 14 (1 for 3 3pt). At one point he was 1 for 8. In his last 5 games he's 18 for 52 (34.6%) 4 for 17 (23.5%) 3pt. The totals are skewed by the NC State game where he went 7 for 8/3 for 3. Take that game away and he's 11 for 44 (25%)/1 for 14 (7%).

Huell seems to be struggling versus ACC bigs. He looked lost vs Yurtseven. I thought he was passable against Spalding, but I rate that comment on how poorly he played in the NC State game. Last night, his D went on vacation again and his enthusiasm, in general, seemed absent.

Lykes looked like a boy out there in a man's game.

The good:

IV is scoring and scoring and scoring. Would have loved to see him win this one with his last shot in regulation.

DJ seems to remember how to make shots. I've said a streaky 3pt shooter has a place on any roster. His confidence seemed to have completely ebbed before last night. I'd have liked him to hit some of those game changers he missed though.

Somehow, we continue to take all games down to the wire. In every loss, we've been within 5 points in the last 3 minutes.

Assist to TO ratio 17 to 7.

L giving Quan only 14 minutes.


I don't see an alpha on the team. We have a roster of soft spoken guys with no clear leader to light a fire when fires need to be lit. I still think BB has some sort of hidden injury. Huell needs to prove he can play against premier talent.

IV is finally taking over this team (paging BB) We have a favorable schedule coming up and I think our best basketball is yet to be played.

 

[Consigliere]

NC state just won at UNC. Miami is just not a great team right now. Seriously disappointing thus far. But 11 games left to get 7 or so wins.

What does 11 ACC wins signify?

Well I believe 7 more wins gets us to 10 wins and that'd be 10 and 8 which should be good enough to make the tourney. Anything less is cutting it extremely close.

7 more wins gets us to 11. So I repeat, what does 11 ACC wins signify?

Dude can you read? I posted again saying I forgot we had 4 acc wins so I changed my answer to needing 6 more wins in the acc. Yikes! You just like to start **** don't ya?

Your post is above, verbatim. Did you edit it?

 

[LPCanes26]

I wrote another post. I believe it's on page 13 of this thread. I corrected myself.

 

[Consigliere]

I wrote another post. I believe it's on page 13 of this thread. I corrected myself.

I am not starting chit. I was asking for clarification.

 

[LPCanes26]

NC state just won at UNC. Miami is just not a great team right now. Seriously disappointing thus far. But 11 games left to get 7 or so wins.

What does 11 ACC wins signify?

Well I believe 7 more wins gets us to 10 wins and that'd be 10 and 8 which should be good enough to make the tourney. Anything less is cutting it extremely close.

My mistake. We are 4 and 4 now. So 10 games left. 6 wins gets us to 10 and 8 and probably in the tourney.

See right there. I corrected myself. And I've read a lot of threads on this board and you're in the middle of many many ridiculous arguments and you constantly call people *****. The way you word your sentences it makes it seem like you're starting chit. Maybe you can reflect on that and change into a better person and poster.

 

[Consigliere]

NC state just won at UNC. Miami is just not a great team right now. Seriously disappointing thus far. But 11 games left to get 7 or so wins.

What does 11 ACC wins signify?

Well I believe 7 more wins gets us to 10 wins and that'd be 10 and 8 which should be good enough to make the tourney. Anything less is cutting it extremely close.

My mistake. We are 4 and 4 now. So 10 games left. 6 wins gets us to 10 and 8 and probably in the tourney.

See right there. I corrected myself. And I've read a lot of threads on this board and you're in the middle of many many ridiculous arguments and you constantly call people *****. The way you word your sentences it makes it seem like you're starting chit. Maybe you can reflect on that and change into a better person and poster.

I don’t care. I asked for clarification and instead you went on a tirade.

 

[LPCanes26]

I gave you clarification numb nuts. But you didn't see it and continued to ask for clarification. I see you're not very smart. Calling people ***** and saying porst all the time. You're the kind of people that ruin good sports conversation.

 

[Consigliere]

I gave you clarification numb nuts. But you didn't see it and continued to ask for clarification. I see you're not very smart. Calling people ***** and saying porst all the time. You're the kind of people that ruin good sports conversation.

I told you, I don’t care. I am not going to go backwards and read the same porst again hoping they now make sense. Feel free to continue this convo on your own.

Side note: You’re the kind of “person”...

 

[Fightinibis]

Geez, FSU shot 60% from the field for the game. Not gonna win many with that stat against you.

Sure, but outside giving them some credit for tough contested 3 points and other jump shots...a HUGE portion of that percentage was uncontested lay ups and dunks behind the "defense"...

UM

 

[Awsi Dooger]

FSU 5 point favorite. Not good. Vegas usually right on setting point spread and outcome of a game.

Do you have any evidence of Vegas is usually right on hitting the spread? Now I am not talking anout Vegas picking the favorite and the favorite wins. I am talking about hitting the spread.

I read they get within +/- .5 about 6% of the time.


https://www.sportsinsights.com/how-to-bet-on-sports/how-to-bet-on-the-nba/

And for the NFL... “And only 5.5 percent of games have landed exactly on the closing point spread. Even on those rare occasions when a final score does duplicate the point spread, oddsmakers don’t deserve all the credit. Bettors are more responsible for the closing lines than oddsmakers. In fact, after glancing at their power ratings, checking injury reports and spitting out a number designed, in most cases, to attract even action on both sides, oddsmakers’ jobs are pretty much done. It then becomes the bettors’ job to decide whether a team will beat another by a certain amount of points, thus shaping the line into its closing number.”

NFL betting by the numbers: 'Vegas' not nearly as accurate as many would like to believe - BettingTalk

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I am not saying you’re wrong. I am just asking you to provide a source.

College basketball games fall closer to the line than other sports. That's why middling is huge in college basketball. Some guys prioritize it more than anything else all year. They don't even bet on the games in terms of picking winners. They merely anticipate the line movement and play middles. It's called "taking a lead." I have certain friends in Las Vegas and whenever I talk to them that's all they say: "I took a lead on LSU and Memphis last night. Then this morning I took a lead on VCU. A few minutes ago I took a lead on Boise."

In other words, they project the line to move sharply in favor of that team, enough to set up a middling opportunity. Other times you can grab a middle that is already set up for you, like when you run into an oddball number. But that doesn't happen very often any more. Decades ago when sportsbooks were all independently run and did not know which number each other was using, you could find funny numbers every day.

It's profitable in college basketball because all you need is a 1.5 point gap to have an advantage -- like -6.5 combined with +8.

At higher numbers you need 2 points, like -18 and +20. The larger numbers don't fall as dependably close to the spread. But there are some guys who will do it at 1.5 points all the way up.

There are so many permutations that can get back to the number. That's why middling in college basketball is so huge. Teams foul to the buzzer, unlike the NBA where they often give up the game. Consequently let's say you have that 6.5 to 8 middle and the game is sitting on 12 with 40 seconds to go. You are not done. Some stupid teams will hit a 3 to cut within 9, and the kids eagerly foul on the inbounds pass. From that point it's not out of the question to get a another bucket or two and the game winds up on the magic 7 for a pure middle, or 8 for a win/push, which is called "siding the game."

In football with scoring in lots of 3 or 7 it's much more difficult to hit on a specific number.

BTW, that linked article and paragraph is very good. It's what I have tried to emphasize here many times, that oddsmaking is incredibly simple. They look at power ratings and home field value and not much else. Maybe a key injury in college basketball since there are only a handful of guys on the court and one guy makes a difference. But I remember helping set the lines for Saturday college basketball on Friday afternoons. There would be maybe 100 games the following day, counting added board teams. We would race through it in 30 minutes on average and never more than 45 minutes. So do the math on that. It's 30 seconds per game, or less.

Somehow you have geniuses on this site and elsewhere who want to believe the mysterious garbage that it's incredibly complicated and precise. Meanwhile, during those 30-45 minutes and 100 games I'd estimate maybe 8-10 player names would come up in the discussion, and that's on the high end. It is strictly math based. You don't have time for anything else. Just get a number on the board and hope it mostly splits the action.