You guys are clueless if you think this scheme will work....

[rudebuddha]

I wonder how GT's defenses could ever be prepared to face passing offenses with the offense they run.

It's not like they get to practice against competent, modern offenses.
It's no surprise they got hammered.

Our reason is not the gameplan.
Yeah, I said it.

That defense just won a Super Bowl.

But you can't run it with no push up the middle, a stationary middle linebacker, and safeties who are unable to athletically implement the plan.

So, why don't we run something simple?
Because you are implementing a complicated scheme and you can't wait to get the players in all positions to run it right.

You implement the scheme so that the players will have years to up their football IQ and be able to have it mastered when you finally do have the athletes.

We could have implemented a simple defense, and then this year, when we have the horses, the players are clueless.

Chess versus checkers.
Long term versus instant gratification.

Now, if we bomb on defense this year, which I don't think will happen, then it's fire Dorito, and I will lead that charge.

Until then, I will wait to see if this long term plan bears fruit, instead of being a negative, short sighted prick.

 

[BigDikCane]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

One strike.... Go ahead and see if you can hit my next curve..

For one this isn't the nfl, this is college football son...

 

[rudebuddha]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

One strike.... Go ahead and see if you can hit my next curve..

For one this isn't the nfl, this is college football son...

That's your retort?

You act like this is Pop Warner.

College players are able to pick up complicated schemes.

Carrol pretty much ran his current NFL defensive scheme at USC.

You think Jimmy tried to reinvent defense when he went to Dallas?
He ran the same thing he did at UM.

What kind of defense do you think Alabama has run the past years under Saban?
Look at Saban's defenses and you might see a very similar scheme to what we've been implementing the past couple years.
Saban has had the horses and we haven't.

 

[BigDikCane]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

 

[rickay]

I agree you guys are idiots for thinking we can win anything with these idiots running things.

 

[BigDikCane]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

One strike.... Go ahead and see if you can hit my next curve..

For one this isn't the nfl, this is college football son...

That's your retort?

You act like this is Pop Warner.

College players are able to pick up complicated schemes.

Carrol pretty much ran his current NFL defensive scheme at USC.

You think Jimmy tried to reinvent defense when he went to Dallas?
He ran the same thing he did at UM.

What kind of defense do you think Alabama has run the past years under Saban?
Look at Saban's defenses and you might see a very similar scheme to what we've been implementing the past couple years.
Saban has had the horses and we haven't.

This mug just compared our defense to alabama....

How long did it take saban to reach the SEC championship game?

 

[Republicane]

It worked at temple, with less talented players.. I think we'll be fine.

You have blind hope and a prayer.
I have 3 years worth of data and declining performance.

I wonder which one is more tangible?

actual results at temple aren't tangible data? 16th scoring and 16 total D.. that's more tangible than 3 years with subpar talent while rebuilding.

No, no its not. Al Groh's defense was very good at UVA. Mickey Andrews had some beasts of defenses in the 90s. Didn't keep either of them from getting **** canned after their defenses went to **** and were ranked in the 100s. Only at Miami is this **** allowed and then promoted with some bull**** about Temple.

I like how you also claimed Temple has less talent but then turn around and say we have subpar talent LOL Which is it?

Golden is a great recruiter, great identifier of talent, and also a great developer of talent. So will lrg please explain why UM's talent level after three years is currently below Temple's when Golden was there?

 

[Republicane]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

One strike.... Go ahead and see if you can hit my next curve..

For one this isn't the nfl, this is college football son...

That's your retort?

You act like this is Pop Warner.

College players are able to pick up complicated schemes.

Carrol pretty much ran his current NFL defensive scheme at USC.

You think Jimmy tried to reinvent defense when he went to Dallas?
He ran the same thing he did at UM.

What kind of defense do you think Alabama has run the past years under Saban?
Look at Saban's defenses and you might see a very similar scheme to what we've been implementing the past couple years.
Saban has had the horses and we haven't.

So instead of implementing a scheme that maximizes the talent that you do have, the smarter option is to keep failing with the scheme that you don't have enough talent to run? Makes sense.

 

[RiDLer80]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

One strike.... Go ahead and see if you can hit my next curve..

For one this isn't the nfl, this is college football son...

That's your retort?

You act like this is Pop Warner.

College players are able to pick up complicated schemes.

Carrol pretty much ran his current NFL defensive scheme at USC.

You think Jimmy tried to reinvent defense when he went to Dallas?
He ran the same thing he did at UM.

What kind of defense do you think Alabama has run the past years under Saban?
Look at Saban's defenses and you might see a very similar scheme to what we've been implementing the past couple years.
Saban has had the horses and we haven't.

First off, Carroll himself has said that the scheme he runs in the NFL he had to strip completely down at USC because it was too difficult for college players to grasp.

Second, Alabama is the only team in college that runs this scheme successfully. And no, Stanford doesn't run the same scheme.

 

[kmwcane]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

Nice try at backtracking off your terrible comment.

 

[DaU83]

It worked at temple, with less talented players.. I think we'll be fine.

You have blind hope and a prayer.
I have 3 years worth of data and declining performance.

I wonder which one is more tangible?

actual results at temple aren't tangible data? 16th scoring and 16 total D.. that's more tangible than 3 years with subpar talent while rebuilding.

No, no its not. Al Groh's defense was very good at UVA. Mickey Andrews had some beasts of defenses in the 90s. Didn't keep either of them from getting **** canned after their defenses went to **** and were ranked in the 100s. Only at Miami is this **** allowed and then promoted with some bull**** about Temple.

I like how you also claimed Temple has less talent but then turn around and say we have subpar talent LOL Which is it?

Golden is a great recruiter, great identifier of talent, and also a great developer of talent. So will lrg please explain why UM's talent level after three years is currently below Temple's when Golden was there?

Dont recall where I said we had less talent than temple did, please point that out.

 

[MedleyCane]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

Nice try at backtracking off your terrible comment.

I don't know what is more pathetic: the fact that this loser made that comment about Jim Kelly, or the fact that no one but a few on this
board seem disturbed by it.

 

[Dwinstitles]

It worked at temple, with less talented players.. I think we'll be fine.

You have blind hope and a prayer.
I have 3 years worth of data and declining performance.

I wonder which one is more tangible?

actual results at temple aren't tangible data? 16th scoring and 16 total D.. that's more tangible than 3 years with subpar talent while rebuilding.

He recruited the best players in the conference. This isnt the Mac .......n his scheme can only work with a beast at DT like wilkerson n we lost that 2 lsu. I cant see a good UM D without an elite dt.

 

[BigDikCane]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

Nice try at backtracking off your terrible comment.

stop getting off subject pzzy,,,,

 

[moshated305]

You have blind hope and a prayer.
I have 3 years worth of data and declining performance.

I wonder which one is more tangible?

actual results at temple aren't tangible data? 16th scoring and 16 total D.. that's more tangible than 3 years with subpar talent while rebuilding.

No, no its not. Al Groh's defense was very good at UVA. Mickey Andrews had some beasts of defenses in the 90s. Didn't keep either of them from getting **** canned after their defenses went to **** and were ranked in the 100s. Only at Miami is this **** allowed and then promoted with some bull**** about Temple.

I like how you also claimed Temple has less talent but then turn around and say we have subpar talent LOL Which is it?

Golden is a great recruiter, great identifier of talent, and also a great developer of talent. So will lrg please explain why UM's talent level after three years is currently below Temple's when Golden was there?

Dont recall where I said we had less talent than temple did, please point that out.

You claimed the defense worked at Temple with less talent but in your next post you talk of our subpar talent. Seems to me, by your own words, this staff is used to doing more with less so why aren't they doing it right now?

 

[TheMatador]

And Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick taught Groh the scheme. Whats your point? There are some significant gaps in your reasoning. Groh has a good reputation. He's old as fu*k. Big deal.

Argument shouldn't be whether or not the scheme itself can work. With the right personnel, it certainly can.

Problem is, and we've had plenty of guys argue this, the scheme we run isn't fit for the personnel, particularly in regard to how we recruit in south Florida.

I think the scheme is good, but it's too complex for the college game. I think it had the same problem at Ga Tech that it has at UM. Pete Carroll recognized that there were a lot of things he does with the Seahawks that he could not do at USC.

Why it worked at UVA? I don't know. Smarter players maybe? UVA is a very selective school. I know UM is supposed to be, but I've got to think they relax their standards for south Florida athletes who don't come from very good public schools in south Florida (from what I've been told). Why it worked at Temple? Who knows? Easier competition?

I just think JJ's 4-3 was simple, you just told the kids to pin their ears back, penetrate the gaps, and get upfield. You attacked. None of the complicated stuff I think the defense now demands. When I went to AG's first game, at Miami, it was the first time I'd seen a game up close in decades, since I got a 50 yd line seat. I'd see all the hand signals and communications by the UM DBs and guys trying to tell other guys what to do just before the snap. I saw the same on offense. I kind of sensed confusion; I didn't know if this was just normal repositioning just before a snap, or if guys were out of position and more experienced players were trying to communicate and get them set up right. People used to tell me that Butch's first years looked like a Chinese fire drill on the sidelines, nobody knowing whether to go into the game or come out. Some of it might come from the fact that south Florida kids are athletic but not particularly well coached in HS.

I just think that maybe AG and D'O need to simplify things and take advantage of explosiveness and athletic ability. Turn the kids loose and let them attack upfield. You'll give up some big plays (JJ said that always happens with his philosophy) but you'll make a **** of a lot more. That might have been what turned off Valentine, among other things (including our unwillingness to match LSU's offer).

 

[TheMatador]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

Nice try at backtracking off your terrible comment.

stop getting off subject pzzy,,,,

Some people are beating cancer. My mother died of lung cancer in the late '90's. She was not a smoker. She went fast. I did some reading the other night, in particular about Valerie Harper's remission due to a new drug, and they have treatments for the type that killed my mother that they did not have 15 years ago. My father died of prostate cancer in 78. Treatment has progressed dramatically in that disease. Some still die, but some are cured and live for decades. I don't know how it justifies the comment about losing to the Cowboys or whatever it was you said (I don't remember).

Treatments are getting more and more effective for what is still a very complex and brutal disease. Some can live for many years in remission or after a real cure.

Everybody taps out eventually, whether from cancer or something else. I read the local obituaries every day to see if anybody I know in my area has passed. Some of my friends from HS and college have already gone. They would be mostly in their sixties. Still, I'm seeing a lot of obits of people dying in their late '80's and '90's. I sometimes google people I used to know and who I thought would definitely be gone, and they're still around in their '90's.

Some who I wish would be gone, are still around. Yeah, there are some people like that. They've got to be really bad, though. I don't even wish it on Steve Spurrier. So that's how bad they've got to be.

 

[TheMatador]

I wonder how GT's defenses could ever be prepared to face passing offenses with the offense they run.

It's not like they get to practice against competent, modern offenses.
It's no surprise they got hammered.

Our reason is not the gameplan.
Yeah, I said it.

That defense just won a Super Bowl.

But you can't run it with no push up the middle, a stationary middle linebacker, and safeties who are unable to athletically implement the plan.

So, why don't we run something simple?
Because you are implementing a complicated scheme and you can't wait to get the players in all positions to run it right.

You implement the scheme so that the players will have years to up their football IQ and be able to have it mastered when you finally do have the athletes.

We could have implemented a simple defense, and then this year, when we have the horses, the players are clueless.

Chess versus checkers.
Long term versus instant gratification.

Now, if we bomb on defense this year, which I don't think will happen, then it's fire Dorito, and I will lead that charge.

Until then, I will wait to see if this long term plan bears fruit, instead of being a negative, short sighted prick.

What? You're saying that Carroll's defense at Seattle is the same defense we use? How's that? Please explain.

I did quite a bit of reading on the Seattle defense a few months ago and it is nothing like what we run. It is a 4-3, and while it is more complex than the typical attacking 4-3 of the type we ran at the U, I don't see it as being that similar to our defense. I don't feel like searching for all the articles now, but I think it has more in common with JJ's attacking philosophy than the Golden/Groh/Belichek/Parcells 3-4. Despite his great reputation, and great success at the NYG, I still try to figure out, more than twenty years later, why Parcells brought in one of my favorite UM players ever, Greg Mark, and tried to make him into a 3-4 pro nose tackle with the Giants. After it didn't work, he cut him. The guy should have been a standup OLB in his 3-4, or maybe a pass rushing specialist in a 4-3. I actually discussed this with the UM DL coach at the time, Bob Karmelowicz, and just before Mark went to the Giants, and Bob told me that he had told Greg that he should be OK as a pass rush specialist. I can't believe why Parcells tried him as a NT. I don't get it, but I'm just an amateur, not a successful pro coach. Karmelowicz was later a very experienced pro DL coach, so I suspect he would never have done with Parcells did.

Please explain to me how this current UM defense is so similar to Carrolls. I think Carroll got his defensive philosophy from Monte Kiffin when both were assistants at Arkansas. Jimmy was on the coaching staff at Arkansas at some point, and Butch played there. I don't know if there is a larger connection to Frank Broyles and this attacking 4-3 philosophy, but I don't know that it's that similar to the philosophy we have now under AG. Of course, Carroll has added to it, but I don't see the basic philosophy as at all similar.

 

[Sabetta]

Is the OP the one that made a post making fun of Jim Kelly's cancer?

Dude I lost my pops, uncle and cousin to cancer in the last 3 years... Cancer in my eyes is undefeated... In my eyes it doesnt matter if you beat cancer b/c it does so much to your body that you'll tap out eventually...

I've worked in the Oncology field for years selling human tissue for reconstructive purposes. I see people beat cancer all of the time. I'm sorry for your father and uncle but you have a **** attitude. Your comments in this post just proves whatta a loser and quitter you are at life. Congrats bigdikcane.

 

[theGOLDENera]

BigDikCane is a douche. That is all