Xavier Lucas wants to be in the portal but Luke Fickell pays to watch men ramrod his wife

[GojiraCane]

On a dark frozen highway, Arctic wind in my hair
Warm smell of provolone rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
A man promising NIL and playing time, I had to stop for the night
There he stood in the doorway, he had a recruiting pitch to sell
And I was thinkin' to myself, "This could be heaven or this could be ****"
Then he lit up a Acebeam and he showed me the way
There were voices in the athletic center, I thought I heard them say
"Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
All the NIL you need (all the NIL you need)
You can find it here"
His schemes were twisted, his coaching made no sense, uh
He’s got a lot of talented kids that are riding the bench
How they waste on the sidelines, snow on their heads
Some scream to remember, some scream to forget
So I called up their Collective, "Will I get paid on time?"
He said, "Our budget is approximately $19.99"
And still, those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the tundra just to hear them say
“Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)
Our NIL has gone dry”
Icicles on the ceiling, the whale blubber on ice
A teammate said, "We are all just prisoners here of Coach Fickell’s device"
And in the athletic center igloo, they gathered for the feast
They served us plates of cheese and lard and some unidentifiable Arctic beast
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax, " said Coach Fickell, "We are programmed to receive
You can transfer any time you like, but you can never leave"

 

[Yoyo423]

Like real life legal or not within ncaa rules legal? Seems like two very different parameters. Heitner has said schools are already doing it. Enforceability seems to be contentious.

You're conflating the revenue sharing agreement that is being planned for next season with NIL.

 

[canecrazy23]

On a dark frozen highway, Arctic wind in my hair
Warm smell of provolone rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
A man promising NIL and playing time, I had to stop for the night
There he stood in the doorway, he had a recruiting pitch to sell
And I was thinkin' to myself, "This could be heaven or this could be ****"
Then he lit up a Acebeam and he showed me the way
There were voices in the athletic center, I thought I heard them say
"Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
All the NIL you need (all the NIL your need)
You can find it here"
His schemes were twisted, his coaching made no sense, uh
He’s got a lot of talented kids that are riding the bench
How they waste on the sidelines, snow on their heads
Some scream to remember, some scream to forget
So I called up their Collective, "Will I get paid on time?"
He said, "Our budget is approximately $19.99"
And still, those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the tundra just to hear them say
“"Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)
Our NIL has gone dry”
Icicles on the ceiling, the whale blubber on ice
A teammate said, "We are all just prisoners here of Coach Fickell’s device"
And in the athletic center igloo, they gathered for the feast
They served us plates of cheese and lard and some unidentifiable Arctic beast
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax, " said Coach Fickell, "We are programmed to receive
You can transfer any time you like, but you can never leave"

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Like real life legal or not within ncaa rules legal? Seems like two very different parameters. Heitner has said schools are already doing it. Enforceability seems to be contentious.

Uhhhhh...nooooo...

Quite frankly, I don't even understand what you are saying here. "Heitner said". Heitner said what? Yes, at some point in the future, there will be a transition in the way that student-athletes are paid. But that day is not yet here. "Schools are already doing it". Doing what, exactly? Drafting "binding legal agreements" for a system of revenue-sharing that does not yet exist? Revenue share deals may be binding 9 months from now, but not now.

Again, neither "Collectives pay" nor "future revenue-sharing" can prevent a student-athlete from transferring. And that is why it is absolutely necessary to sever the connection between "but we have a contract" and "I am legally allowed to transfer schools". These are separate issues.

A contract can't, without specific language and separate compensation, take away a right you legally have. If you honestly think that future revenue-sharing contracts WILL INCLUDE LANGUAGE WHEREIN A STUDENT-ATHLETE WAIVES HIS/HER RIGHT TO TRANSFER, then you are free to hold that opinion. The reality is that it will never happen, and I'm not even addressing whether a court would strike down such a clause as being contrary to public policy.

Any kid who IN THE FUTURE signs a revenue-share deal at one school will certainly be able to get a revenue-share deal at another comparable school. So this idea that "the future" will save us with some anti-transfer mechanism that will take us back to the good old days where players could never effectively transfer...yeah, that's just fantasyland.

 

[bobbydigius]

Lucas would be the other guy and safety is including in that 5 or 6 DB. No team has 10 plus good DBs

Uhhh, we should 100% have 10 good DBs which covers a 2 deep. Let’s break this down.

Safety - 4 guys
Poyser - big time pickup but he has never played at a P4 level

Lucas - still haven’t gotten him but let’s pencil him in

Zay - talented but will he be ready?

So who is the 4th safety?

CB

OJ

Brantley - great player but let’s not forget he has suffered a season ending injury every single year he has played college ball.

O’Connor

Those guys are locked in but where we at after that? We have the AZ transfer and after that a bunch of unknowns. Our best incoming freshman just suffered a knee injury and while he should be ready we don’t know how he will perform.

Even if we get Lucas, it would be irresponsible not to grab another in the portal for depth.

So yeah, we have numbers at DB but they sucked and we need more talent. We lose one guy to injury in the list above and we are struggling again.

 

[Groz73Cane]

On a dark frozen highway, Arctic wind in my hair
Warm smell of provolone rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
A man promising NIL and playing time, I had to stop for the night
There he stood in the doorway, he had a recruiting pitch to sell
And I was thinkin' to myself, "This could be heaven or this could be ****"
Then he lit up a Acebeam and he showed me the way
There were voices in the athletic center, I thought I heard them say
"Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
All the NIL you need (all the NIL you need)
You can find it here"
His schemes were twisted, his coaching made no sense, uh
He’s got a lot of talented kids that are riding the bench
How they waste on the sidelines, snow on their heads
Some scream to remember, some scream to forget
So I called up their Collective, "Will I get paid on time?"
He said, "Our budget is approximately $19.99"
And still, those voices are calling from far away
Wake you up in the middle of the tundra just to hear them say
“Welcome to the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
Such a frozen place (such a frozen place)
You’ll soon freeze your face
Plenty of playing time with the Wisconsin Cheese Badgers
What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)
Our NIL has gone dry”
Icicles on the ceiling, the whale blubber on ice
A teammate said, "We are all just prisoners here of Coach Fickell’s device"
And in the athletic center igloo, they gathered for the feast
They served us plates of cheese and lard and some unidentifiable Arctic beast
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax, " said Coach Fickell, "We are programmed to receive
You can transfer any time you like, but you can never leave"

Welcome to the Hotel Madisonia

 

[404Usernamenotfound]

OK, so you're going to ping-pong between "hey, as a man, a contract is some sacred document that can never be reneged upon" to "hey, wink-wink, I'm just going to invent my own meaning and understanding of NIL contracts because I feel like it"?

Sure. Whatever.

Your misstatements of what I wrote need to stop. I clearly stated that Xavier Lucas actually HAS done the right thing.

But there you go again. You freely admit that YOU DON'T KNOW about the clauses in NIL agreements. Then in the very next sentence, you INSIST that only the Collective can terminate an NIL agreement, and not the player.

You are delusional.

Unlike yourself, none of this is emotional for me. Except for my objection to your ignorant mouth saying anything about my family upbringing, which I will not put up with under any circumstances.

You are just making **** up. You jump between worshiping the mortal/ethical requirements of a holy contract, and then making up whatever concepts you need to in order to try to win an argument you are losing badly.

I get it, you had an overly-triggered reaction to a phrase ("do the right thing") and now you are just doubling and tripling down on your ignorance and emotions. That's on you.

I said I guarantee any t4c clause, if it exist, would apply to the collective only and not the player. Is your contention that these nil agreements allow the players to t4c?

I’m not worshipping anything. I just made in observation on how you worded what the “right thing” was, which I find hilarious coming from an attorney. Imagine that, an attorney telling us what’s the “right” thing to do

I already told you, It’s not your fault, it’s pappys fault.

 

[goblin deez nuts]

Uhhh, we should 100% have 10 good DBs which covers a 2 deep. Let’s break this down.

Safety - 4 guys
Poyser - big time pickup but he has never played at a P4 level

Lucas - still haven’t gotten him but let’s pencil him in

Zay - talented but will he be ready?

So who is the 4th safety?

CB

OJ

Brantley - great player but let’s not forget he has suffered a season ending injury every single year he has played college ball.

O’Connor

Those guys are locked in but where we at after that? We have the AZ transfer and after that a bunch of unknowns. Our best incoming freshman just suffered a knee injury and while he should be ready we don’t know how he will perform.

Even if we get Lucas, it would be irresponsible not to grab another in the portal for depth.

So yeah, we have numbers at DB but they sucked and we need more talent. We lose one guy to injury in the list above and we are struggling again.

Damari? Mack? Markieth?

 

[bobbydigius]

Damari? Mack? Markieth?

Damari isn’t very good but maybe a change to safety works? Dont know what we have with Mack and Markieth had his chance this year and looked lost. Do we watch the same team?

Is this how you envisioned things being going into year 4?

 

[goblin deez nuts]

Damari isn’t very good but maybe a change to safety works? Dont know what we have with Mack and Markieth had his chance this year and looked lost. Do we watch the same team?

Is this how you envisioned things being going into year 4?

Well first I was just mentioning guys since you insinuated that we just had no other players.

Brown barely played so not sure. He played badger fairly well week 1 but who knows what that means. He probably is more of a safety. Agree on Mack, but that's every year when new players have to step up. Just saying he could be in the running for a spot and should be included in the discussion. Markieth didn't look good being asked to play corner because we had nobody. Didn't really key on him at safety but then again the entire secondary and backers looked like complete ***. I'll give everyone a clean slate with a new DC as there had to be more to the story

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I said I guarantee any t4c clause, if it exist, would apply to the collective only and not the player. Is your contention that these nil agreements allow the players to t4c?

I’m not worshipping anything. I just made in observation on how you worded what the “right thing” was, which I find hilarious coming from an attorney. Imagine that, an attorney telling us what’s the “right” thing to do

I already told you, It’s not your fault, it’s pappys fault.

Look, you are both wrong and full of ****. Now you are trying to get fancy by referring to termination-for-cause clauses.

You don't get it. You will never get it.

NIL deals are predicated upon multiple premises. One of which is that the student-athlete IS ENROLLED and LIVES LOCALLY (or at least local enough to meet the minimal requirements in the contract). Should a student-athlete NOT enroll (or re-enroll) or NOT be locally available, the contract will be terminated. And THOSE elements are within the control of the athlete. And since an athlete CAN TRANSFER, and it is the right of the athlete TO TRANSFER , if desired, then the right to transfer is greater than the rights/obligations in the NIL agreement.

This is your problem, you assume I said "terminate for cause" when I never did so. Hey, you can always feel free to admit that you were wrong and apologize, but you'll never "do the right thing" in that regard, I'm sure.

So, anyhow, I'll give you ONE example, from Jaden Rashada's contract. It's quite simple, really. I'll explain it for you, since you probably can't understand it.

In order for the NIL Agreement to exist, Jaden Rashada must be, and continue to be, participating in an athletic program at the university. And (I'm not sure if you know this), you can't participate in an athletic program at a university without being enrolled at the university. Now, while it is true that the Gator collective RENEGED on this contract before Jaden Rashada ever enrolled, it is also true that the NIL contract could not possibly exist and be valid and legally binding BEYOND a time period where, you know, Jaden Rashada was not enrolled at the University of Florida.

So, yes, if a student-athlete chooses not to enroll or re-enroll at a university, his NIL Agreement terminates and cannot extend past that time. I never said this was "termination for cause". In fact, neither party to an NIL agreement "needs a cause". In fact, if an athlete simply fails to perform his duties, the NIL agreement can terminate.

The short version is that a student-athlete can terminate an NIL agreement in a variety of ways, by non-enrollment, by "quitting the team", by being physically unavailable, or simply by not performing.

Feel free to send your apology via fax.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

This post is the definition of “nailing it on the head”.
Thank you.

You're a lawyer so let me pose a hypothetical...Since Wisconsin seems to think they can deny Lucas entry into the portal and nobody seems to be able to enforce the rules, what if Lucas states that he has done everything required of him per the rules by filling out the necessary paperwork and just goes to Miami who accepts him based on his HS transcripts and we just go about our business as usual. What would the legal ramifications of that? I know it's farfetched and preposterous but I can't help but wonder what would happen.

 

[AtlAtty]

You're a lawyer so let me pose a hypothetical...Since Wisconsin seems to think they can deny Lucas entry into the portal and nobody seems to be able to enforce the rules, what if Lucas states that he has done everything required of him per the rules by filling out the necessary paperwork and just goes to Miami who accepts him based on his HS transcripts and we just go about our business as usual. What would the legal ramifications of that? I know it's farfetched and preposterous but I can't help but wonder what would happen.

This is a good question.

I assume the NCAA could deem him ineligible to play under your scenario. But i would expect a court to grant an injunction allowing Lucas to play. Frankly, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. I’ve never seen an organization become so impotent so quickly as the current NCAA.

 

[ageezy]

I think they end up moving Lucas to safety.

is that a move he'll embrace? can he excel there? is he a box guy or free?

 

[bobbydigius]

Well first I was just mentioning guys since you insinuated that we just had no other players.

Brown barely played so not sure. He played badger fairly well week 1 but who knows what that means. He probably is more of a safety. Agree on Mack, but that's every year when new players have to step up. Just saying he could be in the running for a spot and should be included in the discussion. Markieth didn't look good being asked to play corner because we had nobody. Didn't really key on him at safety but then again the entire secondary and backers looked like complete ***. I'll give everyone a clean slate with a new DC as there had to be more to the story

I was dismissing them as non factors until proven otherwise. I don’t think it’s smart to go into the season relying on them. If they surprise, great but won’t count on it.

 

[404Usernamenotfound]

Look, you are both wrong and full of ****. Now you are trying to get fancy by referring to termination-for-cause clauses.

You don't get it. You will never get it.

NIL deals are predicated upon multiple premises. One of which is that the student-athlete IS ENROLLED and LIVES LOCALLY (or at least local enough to meet the minimal requirements in the contract). Should a student-athlete NOT enroll (or re-enroll) or NOT be locally available, the contract will be terminated. And THOSE elements are within the control of the athlete. And since an athlete CAN TRANSFER, and it is the right of the athlete TO TRANSFER , if desired, then the right to transfer is greater than the rights/obligations in the NIL agreement.

This is your problem, you assume I said "terminate for cause" when I never did so. Hey, you can always feel free to admit that you were wrong and apologize, but you'll never "do the right thing" in that regard, I'm sure.

So, anyhow, I'll give you ONE example, from Jaden Rashada's contract. It's quite simple, really. I'll explain it for you, since you probably can't understand it.

In order for the NIL Agreement to exist, Jaden Rashada must be, and continue to be, participating in an athletic program at the university. And (I'm not sure if you know this), you can't participate in an athletic program at a university without being enrolled at the university. Now, while it is true that the Gator collective RENEGED on this contract before Jaden Rashada ever enrolled, it is also true that the NIL contract could not possibly exist and be valid and legally binding BEYOND a time period where, you know, Jaden Rashada was not enrolled at the University of Florida.

So, yes, if a student-athlete chooses not to enroll or re-enroll at a university, his NIL Agreement terminates and cannot extend past that time. I never said this was "termination for cause". In fact, neither party to an NIL agreement "needs a cause". In fact, if an athlete simply fails to perform his duties, the NIL agreement can terminate.

The short version is that a student-athlete can terminate an NIL agreement in a variety of ways, by non-enrollment, by "quitting the team", by being physically unavailable, or simply by not performing.

Feel free to send your apology via fax.



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All that you wrote just to admit at the end the the player maybe didn’t do a number of things he needed to do to fulfill he’s end of the bargain, even after he received some compensation. Thereby, one could say, he also “DID NOT DO THE RIGHT THING”

Which was the whole ******* point in my comment.

Let me put it in a way even an attorney can understand

You hire me to fix your roof.
We sign a contract, and you give me a deposit.
[Let’s use the single nil contact you have seen as an example (Rashada’s)] - this contract has some clause that’s says, if I leave Florida i can get out of the deal.

Now, let’s say I leave Florida purely to get out of the deal. Not cause my mom died. Not cause I had some other unforeseen event or mitigating circumstance, but purely because I don’t want to be in Florida anymore working on your roof. I change my mind.

Legally, fine I’m covered. You are correct (maybe) from a contract standpoint.

But was it the “right thing to do”. Please answer honestly?

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Me, 11 seconds after starting a very relevant thread on this site, realizing the ocean of raw sewage this hellscape will transform it into

 

[252cane]

Uhhh, we should 100% have 10 good DBs which covers a 2 deep. Let’s break this down.

Safety - 4 guys
Poyser - big time pickup but he has never played at a P4 level

Lucas - still haven’t gotten him but let’s pencil him in

Zay - talented but will he be ready?

So who is the 4th safety?

CB

OJ

Brantley - great player but let’s not forget he has suffered a season ending injury every single year he has played college ball.

O’Connor

Those guys are locked in but where we at after that? We have the AZ transfer and after that a bunch of unknowns. Our best incoming freshman just suffered a knee injury and while he should be ready we don’t know how he will perform.

Even if we get Lucas, it would be irresponsible not to grab another in the portal for depth.

So yeah, we have numbers at DB but they sucked and we need more talent. We lose one guy to injury in the list above and we are struggling again.

No team has 10+ good DBs lol. Show me 1 team that has 10+ good DBs. No good DB is coming here to be a backup. We could use another proven safety. I would agree on that

 

[bobbydigius]

No team has 10+ good DBs lol. Show me 1 team that has 10+ good DBs

Whatever id show you, you’d just discount as not good all the while somehow rationalizing that our JAGs are somehow as good. We should 100% have a 2 deep that can start at the P4 level, and we don’t have that.

 

[hcanes100]

This is a good question.

I assume the NCAA could deem him ineligible to play under your scenario. But i would expect a court to grant an injunction allowing Lucas to play. Frankly, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. I’ve never seen an organization become so impotent so quickly as the current NCAA.

So consistently getting your *** handed to you in so many courts including landmark cases that cause semitic shifts in your business model tends to lead to paralysis.