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In the 80s, UM players received favorable rent at apartments located at Grove Isle, and also received free meals at great restaurants.... Some were lent cars, etc... The players benefited but nothing compared to what the Foundations are doing today.

The team never had strong booster support. They placed us on probation because we falsified financial aid grants (i.e. Pell grants). Foote hated the football team and never invested in it. We won due to the elite, local players and "hungry" coaches.

The Shapiro mess was non-existent. The NCAA turned $50,000 in benefits into a RICO investigation. That had more to do with the SEC attempting to hamper us more than anything else. The 'Dawgs have a Foundation that IS paying $3M per recruiting class!
 
I'm not sure but I know that recruiting wasn't as widespread as it is today, which led to a lot of local talent staying home
 
There wasn't 120 teams dropping bags in south florida in the 80s. Thats a fact. **** ****erson always talks about the camaro story. A car is pennies to what a player of his caliber is getting today. Guys get cars just to committ on a website now
 
Swampcity said:
During the ‘80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s did we drop “Bags”?
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YES

I dont have proof its just a feel when u got guys like Nevin snooping around and Buchannon saying it was poppin I believe it, is it as bad as now? **** nah
The SEC saw what we did and wants that glory of those Butch teams and they have been successful and close and produced more. They want that tv time that popularity we created and they want to kill our lore thats there goal be great and kill the U so it never happens again. They hate us
 
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Thing is now the bags are super heavy and the thing we cant compete with is moving families to homes and offering high paying jobs for families. Thats where the chess to checkers is at recruiting the entire family and creating a future for that family and the talent leaves sfla and that lineage pays off in the future for that school as well. Its a good investment on both sides.
 
Swampcity said:
During the ‘80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s did we drop “Bags”?
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It's not often I disagree with @Dwinstitles, but this is one of those occasions.

I'm taking your question as "During the 80's, 90's, and 00's, did the U of M, at any point, have a Bagman system whereby a network of boosters, based off of some non-specific and indirect method of communication from the coaching staff, delivered cash or cash equivalents to high school players and/or their families in return for securing their commitment to play for the Hurricanes?"

The answer is no. Absolutely not.

Can I prove that? No. Was the program clean as the wind-driven snow? No. But, I'm pretty confident that 90%+ of our transgressions have been revealed, are well known, and were heavily punished.

Logically, just look at our history. As has been mentioned, Miami's success was more of a grassroots, bottom up, go get the athletes out of the hood that Notre Dame and Michigan and Penn St and Alabama largely ignored and didn't want on their campuses, keep them all together and let them play at home for their families and friends and bring the community together and rep themselves, and win and make history by doing it.

Our success was never because we had some broad based, wealthy booster network that was well organized and sneaky smart. When we've been caught cheating, it's been out of sheer incompetence and/or disregard for the rules. We got in trouble because we scammed the federal grant system. We got in trouble because of Uncle Luke and because he thinks the concept of amateurism is a sham, and so he basically defied it and ignored it, openly and braggingly. We got in trouble because of the Cabbage Troll and the Jock Sniffer. These weren't well-organized plans put together with the intention to win by cheating and get away with it. These were lazy crimes of expedient convenience and narcissism.

If the question is "have we ever cheated?", the answer is obviously yes. But if the question is did we have an organized system of paying for recruits that remains a secret to this day, I find that scenario about as likely as the possibility that the moon landing was a hoax, filmed on a studio lot in Hollywood.

I honestly don't think this program has ever truly benefited from any of the cheating we have ever done. We certainly would have been better off without Jock Sniffer around, yet we basically got a ten year death penalty on top of the destruction he had already brought to the program before he went to jail. Maybe the bounty system helped to inspire and elevate our play on the field, but we never built our team through "cheating". I think that's a really important distinction to the Baga'$, Clem$on$, L$U'$, O$U's, etc of today.
 
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Jimmy once said that he was the first white coach to venture to Miami's worst neighborhoods. He said that he had zero problems recruiting anywhere. If a team had a great player, he would personally go to watch the game. A lot of these "good 'ole boy SEC coaches" regarded Liberty City and Overtown as being too derelict to recruit at. Butch and Jimmy had zero problems spending a day anywhere in MIami.

Saban now shows up in a helicopter.......
 
The entire Pell Grant "scandal" added up to barely over $100,000 for the football team. It was a grain of sand in the universe. Only the NCAA and Jorts Illustrated could make it seem like serial murder.

If you do the math, the school was perhaps $40,000 in the black on the Pell Grant deal. That's not even a penny in college athletics.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
It's not often I disagree with @Dwinstitles, but this is one of those occasions.

I'm taking your question as "During the 80's, 90's, and 00's, did the U of M, at any point, have a Bagman system whereby a network of boosters, based off of some non-specific and indirect method of communication from the coaching staff, delivered cash or cash equivalents to high school players and/or their families in return for securing their commitment to play for the Hurricanes?"

The answer is no. Absolutely not.

Can I prove that? No. Was the program clean as the wind-driven snow? No. But, I'm pretty confident that 90%+ of our transgressions have been revealed, are well known, and were heavily punished.

Logically, just look at our history. As has been mentioned, Miami's success was more of a grassroots, bottom up, go get the athletes out of the hood that Notre Dame and Michigan and Penn St and Alabama largely ignored and didn't want on their campuses, keep them all together and let them play at home for their families and friends and bring the community together and rep themselves, and win and make history by doing it.

Our success was never because we had some broad based, wealthy booster network that was well organized and sneaky smart. When we've been caught cheating, it's been out of sheer incompetence and/or disregard for the rules. We got in trouble because we scammed the federal grant system. We got in trouble because of Uncle Luke and because he thinks the concept of amateurism is a sham, and so he basically defied it and ignored it, openly and braggingly. We got in trouble because of the Cabbage Troll and the Jock Sniffer. These weren't well-organized plans put together with the intention to win by cheating and get away with it. These were lazy crimes of expedient convenience and narcissism.

If the question is "have we ever cheated?", the answer is obviously yes. But if the question is did we have an organized system of paying for recruits that remains a secret to this day, I find that scenario about as likely as the possibility that the moon landing was a hoax, filmed on a studio lot in Hollywood.

I honestly don't think this program has ever truly benefited from any of the cheating we have ever done. We certainly would have been better off without Jock Sniffer around, yet we basically got a ten year death penalty on top of the destruction he had already brought to the program before he went to jail. Maybe the bounty system helped to inspire and elevate our play on the field, but we never built our team through "cheating". I think that's a really important distinction to the Baga'$, Clem$on$, L$U'$, O$U's, etc of today.
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I dont think its on the level of the other schools but wrong doing is wrong doing, i agree with this post though 100%. I have no proof of anything like u but I know in my heart that we arent 100% clean. Thats just my opinion on it and usually u do agree with me lol
 
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canesproponent said:
Jimmy once said that he was the first white coach to venture to Miami's worst neighborhoods. He said that he had zero problems recruiting anywhere. If a team had a great player, he would personally go to watch the game. A lot of these "good 'ole boy SEC coaches" regarded Liberty City and Overtown as being too derelict to recruit at. Butch and Jimmy had zero problems spending a day anywhere in MIami.

Saban now shows up in a helicopter.......
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Howard was the 1st White Coach that had free reign in Dades worst neighborhoods before JJ.....
 
pacusmc said:
We also recruited kids from backgrounds and areas that nobody touched.
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The problem is, with schools being so strict now. These types of kids never end up graduating due to getting thrown out of school for BS like fighting and schit like that. Who was the last real good player to come out of the projects?
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
The problem is, with schools being so strict now. These types of kids never end up graduating due to getting thrown out of school for BS like fighting and schit like that. Who was the last real good player to come out of the projects?
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A lot of kids come from so pretty bad neighborhoods down here and all over Florida.
The muck for example might not be the pj’s but it isn’t some suburb.
 
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pacusmc said:
A lot of kids come from so pretty bad neighborhoods down here and all over Florida.
The muck for example might not be the pj’s but it isn’t some suburb.
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That is kind of my point. I am not saying every kid is growing up like Tate or Jarren, but the real good kids from the real bad areas are not making it to college anymore. I can't even count the number of kids I went to school with that were elite athletes that either got kicked out of school for some petty BS that would have been brushed under the rug 20 years ago.
 
caneinorlando said:
Howard was the 1st White Coach that had free reign in Dades worst neighborhoods before JJ.....
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I dont know anything about bags but schnelly and jimmy basically had unlimited access to an area few understood or wanted to understand. Times were a **** of a lot different with no social media also.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
It's not often I disagree with @Dwinstitles, but this is one of those occasions.

I'm taking your question as "During the 80's, 90's, and 00's, did the U of M, at any point, have a Bagman system whereby a network of boosters, based off of some non-specific and indirect method of communication from the coaching staff, delivered cash or cash equivalents to high school players and/or their families in return for securing their commitment to play for the Hurricanes?"

The answer is no. Absolutely not.

Can I prove that? No. Was the program clean as the wind-driven snow? No. But, I'm pretty confident that 90%+ of our transgressions have been revealed, are well known, and were heavily punished.

Logically, just look at our history. As has been mentioned, Miami's success was more of a grassroots, bottom up, go get the athletes out of the hood that Notre Dame and Michigan and Penn St and Alabama largely ignored and didn't want on their campuses, keep them all together and let them play at home for their families and friends and bring the community together and rep themselves, and win and make history by doing it.

Our success was never because we had some broad based, wealthy booster network that was well organized and sneaky smart. When we've been caught cheating, it's been out of sheer incompetence and/or disregard for the rules. We got in trouble because we scammed the federal grant system. We got in trouble because of Uncle Luke and because he thinks the concept of amateurism is a sham, and so he basically defied it and ignored it, openly and braggingly. We got in trouble because of the Cabbage Troll and the Jock Sniffer. These weren't well-organized plans put together with the intention to win by cheating and get away with it. These were lazy crimes of expedient convenience and narcissism.

If the question is "have we ever cheated?", the answer is obviously yes. But if the question is did we have an organized system of paying for recruits that remains a secret to this day, I find that scenario about as likely as the possibility that the moon landing was a hoax, filmed on a studio lot in Hollywood.

I honestly don't think this program has ever truly benefited from any of the cheating we have ever done. We certainly would have been better off without Jock Sniffer around, yet we basically got a ten year death penalty on top of the destruction he had already brought to the program before he went to jail. Maybe the bounty system helped to inspire and elevate our play on the field, but we never built our team through "cheating". I think that's a really important distinction to the Baga'$, Clem$on$, L$U'$, O$U's, etc of today.
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Well stated.
 
No, UM wasn’t dropping off bags. Don’t listen to dwin who knows next to nothing.

UM has never been implicated in any recruiting violations.

Were there $50 handshakes and were players taken care of in some way by boosters or former players, I’m sure just like anywhere else.

Was UM paying for recruits? No.
 
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