Win out and...Chik Fil-A???

If we don't win the Coastal this year then Golden is CLEARLY not good enough

disagree, Butch didn't get rolling till year five after sanctions. blandito's remains might be worse players than playing shorthanded than Butch had to. you continue to fail to accept that we are having youngsters start over randy jag's and that the worst players of randys that start are the worst players by position on our D.

And you and everyone else on this board continue not to accept that Golden has shortcomings in both recruiting and gameday planning/coaching. But all everyone ever does is make one billion excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. I get that.
 
Advertisement
RB recruiting = abysmal

DT recruiting = abysmal

S recruiting = abysmal

Game plan against GT, WF, UNC, FSU = abysmal
 
you guys and your "what if" and "when we win out" scenarios. October was a month where we didn't look great with being down double digits to 3 average ACC teams and getting destroyed by the conference powerhouse. VT this weekend will be a lot tougher than most of us expect. "Logan Thomas sucks" fan is besides themselves as he has not played too bad vs this defense that we line up with. Let's get through this weekend first before we start talking about "which bowl" and "when we win out"

2011 - 23/25 - 310 yards - 3 TD's 0 INT's - 2 Rushing TD's
2012 - 19/37 - 199 yards - 0 TD 2 INT's - 22 Rushing Attempts 124 yards 1 TD

I wish I could like this post about 500 more times

We get it, you hate Miami and Golden.
 
you guys and your "what if" and "when we win out" scenarios. October was a month where we didn't look great with being down double digits to 3 average ACC teams and getting destroyed by the conference powerhouse. VT this weekend will be a lot tougher than most of us expect. "Logan Thomas sucks" fan is besides themselves as he has not played too bad vs this defense that we line up with. Let's get through this weekend first before we start talking about "which bowl" and "when we win out"

2011 - 23/25 - 310 yards - 3 TD's 0 INT's - 2 Rushing TD's
2012 - 19/37 - 199 yards - 0 TD 2 INT's - 22 Rushing Attempts 124 yards 1 TD

I wish I could like this post about 500 more times

We get it, you hate Miami and Golden.

Love both but I'm not satisfied right now. Deal with it.
 
If we don't win the Coastal this year then Golden is CLEARLY not good enough

disagree, Butch didn't get rolling till year five after sanctions. blandito's remains might be worse players than playing shorthanded than Butch had to. you continue to fail to accept that we are having youngsters start over randy jag's and that the worst players of randys that start are the worst players by position on our D.

And you and everyone else on this board continue not to accept that Golden has shortcomings in both recruiting and gameday planning/coaching. But all everyone ever does is make one billion excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. I get that.

No, Golden is perfect. He is God.

Rok, you continue to have excessive mood swings and fail to understand that their is probably some GREY area. Everyone on this board does not think Golden is perfect. Everyone does not think Golden can't improve, he is 44...he can improve...he is not hashem.

Just people are sick about the endless comments that seem to be agenda driven. People want to give the guy some time but time doesn't end after 32 games. I know that is your measuring stick, but some of us want to give him more time and we are sick of hearing about it every week. Especially when we're 7-1 and looking like we're going to the ACCCG.

This program has been an abortion since 2004. How many bowl wins? How many ACCCG appearances? NCAA Sanctions? Can't we wait a little longer? Does everyday need to be a battle?

Trust me, if Golden fails...he will be gone. If we don't get there, he will be gone...but

Some of us just see something different in the guy and believe he can get us there (ELITE), some of us see an energy that hasn't been around the program in a long time. We are excited and rejuvenated by this energy. Hence some of us really trust him and the process.
 
Advertisement
RB recruiting = abysmal

DT recruiting = abysmal

S recruiting = abysmal

Game plan against GT, WF, UNC, FSU = abysmal

Here it is again, kids in the 2012/2013 class get no chance to succeed.

RB: Duke Johnson (Abysmal), Gus Edwards (Abysmal) and the new kids Yearby (Abysmal) and Powell (Abysmal)

S: Deon Bush (Abysmal and Golden gave him the hernia), Jamal Carter (Abysmal) and Jenkins (Abysmal)

DT: I think there is room for improvement CLEARLY.

Correct, the game plan for ACC play included turning the ball over 10 times. The actual plays were called Morris THROW INT, Coley called that and he was following orders from Golden which was dictated from the Game Plan.

We're 3-1 in ACC play. We beat UF. We're 7-1 overall.
 
If we don't win the Coastal this year then Golden is CLEARLY not good enough

disagree, Butch didn't get rolling till year five after sanctions. blandito's remains might be worse players than playing shorthanded than Butch had to. you continue to fail to accept that we are having youngsters start over randy jag's and that the worst players of randys that start are the worst players by position on our D.

And you and everyone else on this board continue not to accept that Golden has shortcomings in both recruiting and gameday planning/coaching. But all everyone ever does is make one billion excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. I get that.

No, Golden is perfect. He is God.

Rok, you continue to have excessive mood swings and fail to understand that their is probably some GREY area. Everyone on this board does not think Golden is perfect. Everyone does not think Golden can't improve, he is 44...he can improve...he is not hashem.

Just people are sick about the endless comments that seem to be agenda driven. People want to give the guy some time but time doesn't end after 32 games. I know that is your measuring stick, but some of us want to give him more time and we are sick of hearing about it every week. Especially when we're 7-1 and looking like we're going to the ACCCG.

This program has been an abortion since 2004. How many bowl wins? How many ACCCG appearances? NCAA Sanctions? Can't we wait a little longer? Does everyday need to be a battle?

Trust me, if Golden fails...he will be gone. If we don't get there, he will be gone...but

Some of us just see something different in the guy and believe he can get us there (ELITE), some of us see an energy that hasn't been around the program in a long time. We are excited and rejuvenated by this energy. Hence some of us really trust him and the process.

To each his own, but this is some scary groupthink right here.
 
If we don't win the Coastal this year then Golden is CLEARLY not good enough

disagree, Butch didn't get rolling till year five after sanctions. blandito's remains might be worse players than playing shorthanded than Butch had to. you continue to fail to accept that we are having youngsters start over randy jag's and that the worst players of randys that start are the worst players by position on our D.

And you and everyone else on this board continue not to accept that Golden has shortcomings in both recruiting and gameday planning/coaching. But all everyone ever does is make one billion excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. I get that.

Have never said he is perfect. Check to recruiting board as I have been very vocal about our DT/S recruiting. However, the greasy dumpster fire that Randy left over is not going to be turned over by any coach in 3 years, especially with a 3 year NCAA cloud looming above it. To be 7-1 right now is unheard of from what Al has had to deal with when he got the job.

Al has had top good recruiting class with negative recruiting and more importantly found ways to win against the mediocre teams that Randy lost to every time. Sure, it isn't as pretty as we want it to be but it is still a win and that speaks volume enough for Al being a major upgrade. Where I do agree with you is that the next 4 games will be very telling
 
Only way we going to a BCS game. Is we have to win out. No way does a 2 loss Miami get an at large bid.
 
Advertisement
If we don't win the Coastal this year then Golden is CLEARLY not good enough

disagree, Butch didn't get rolling till year five after sanctions. blandito's remains might be worse players than playing shorthanded than Butch had to. you continue to fail to accept that we are having youngsters start over randy jag's and that the worst players of randys that start are the worst players by position on our D.

And you and everyone else on this board continue not to accept that Golden has shortcomings in both recruiting and gameday planning/coaching. But all everyone ever does is make one billion excuses for the guy. Nothing is ever his fault. I get that.

No, Golden is perfect. He is God.

Rok, you continue to have excessive mood swings and fail to understand that their is probably some GREY area. Everyone on this board does not think Golden is perfect. Everyone does not think Golden can't improve, he is 44...he can improve...he is not hashem.

Just people are sick about the endless comments that seem to be agenda driven. People want to give the guy some time but time doesn't end after 32 games. I know that is your measuring stick, but some of us want to give him more time and we are sick of hearing about it every week. Especially when we're 7-1 and looking like we're going to the ACCCG.

This program has been an abortion since 2004. How many bowl wins? How many ACCCG appearances? NCAA Sanctions? Can't we wait a little longer? Does everyday need to be a battle?

Trust me, if Golden fails...he will be gone. If we don't get there, he will be gone...but

Some of us just see something different in the guy and believe he can get us there (ELITE), some of us see an energy that hasn't been around the program in a long time. We are excited and rejuvenated by this energy. Hence some of us really trust him and the process.

To each his own, but this is some scary groupthink right here.

AGREED and I would add in INDIVIDUAL THINK as well.
 
Advertisement
Chick-fil-AmealOnset.jpg


******* delicious. Would love the chance to exorcise those '05 demons.
 
Nope you're wrong about pretty much everything here.

The pecking order for bowls this year goes:

1. Orange
2. Fiesta
3. Sugar

With the orange bowl taking the ACC champion (or runner up if FSU is in the MNC) and the highest rated non-conferencce winner.

In other words, Oregon vs Miami is a likely Orange Bowl game, or Oregon vs Clemson.

The AAC winner doesn't get the Orange Bowl anymore.

BCS top 10 and "X" means they have at least 1 Loss

1. Bama
2. FSU
3. Oregon - X
4. OSU
5. Stanford - X
6. Baylor
7. Clemson - X
8. Missouri - X
9. Auburn - X
10. Oklahoma - X

After last night

- Oklahoma had it's second X, they are LIKELY out of Big 12 contention and they don't have a Big 12 Conference Game.

- Oregon, will likely move to 6 and everyone will move up (5 and above). Oregon has no quality/ranked opponents left and will not be in the Pac-12 game unless somehow Stanford loses to USC or Cal. Oregon may go to a BCS game.


Moving Forward (leaving FSU and Bama out of talk)
---------------------------------------------------
Please note this is not about biases (i.e. how we like a team, just what is best for us):

Also please note that the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12 and AAC all send one guaranteed opponent to the BCS games. There are 5 BCS games and 10 spots available, 6 of those are automatic bids and 4 are up for grabs.

- Clemson has one X. They LIKELY will not be in the ACCCG so they will have to rely on beating USCe on the road. Unfortunately, if they win that game they are in good shape to get to a BCS game. The best case scenario is if GT beats them.

- SEC and the BCS: Missouri and Auburn each have an X. Missouri has a game left against TAMpon. Auburn has a game against Bama. The best case scenario is Missouri and Auburn lose. USCe beats everyone but Clemson and USCe goes to the SECCG and loses to Bama. Missouri and Auburn would have 2 Xs and USCe 3 Xs. The only issue is whether a 10-2 TAMpon (beating a 10-1 Missouri) would get them into serious BCS contention. With the slicksters at the SEC, anything is possible.

- OSU and Big 10: OSU is just coasting. They have Michigan left (at Michigan) and for the first time there is a BIG 10 CG. The worst case scenario is OSU loses only ONCE to Michigan or Michigan State. Assuming they get through the Big 10 undefeated they will likely play Michigan State. Michigan State is a trouble team, if they can win out and beat OSU, it would bad news for us because:

MSU: 12-1 (Big 10 Champs)
OSU: 12-1 (Only Loss to Big 10 Champ)

For some reason OSU would possibly get the nod over Miami. Not saying they deserve it but that is how it could happen since their 1 X is in the Big 10 CG. The best case scenario is if OSU loses to Michigan and Michigan State or OSU goes 13-0 or basically as long as they beat Michigan State in the Championship Game. You don't want a 12-1 MSU and 12-1 OSU.

- Big 12 and AAC: At this point it would be best if Baylor and UCF win out, they would take those spots that are tied into the conference.

Basically, here is how things stand today:

NC Game: Bama v. FSU

Rose Bowl: Stanford (Pac-12) v. OSU (Big 10)

Fiesta Bowl: Baylor (Big-12) v. Spot 1 (At Large)

Sugar Bowl: Spot 2 (SEC) v. Spot 3 (At Large)

Orange Bowl: Spot 4 (ACC) v. UCF (AAC just leave them here for now)

The one caveat to the 4 At-Large Spots:Up to four "at-large" selections who finished the season ranked in the top 14 in the BCS rankings. The highest-ranked champion of a non-AQ conference will also receive an automatic berth if ranked in the top 12 or ranked in the top 16 and higher than at least one AQ conference champion. The at-large selections can be granted to any FBS team, even those that aren't members of the six BCS conferences. Even in the five BCS bowls, consideration is given to historic associations between the conferences and the bowl games themselves. Tie-ins still apply, unless a team obligated to a certain bowl game is selected for the BCS Championship Game. In that case, their slot is filled by an at-large school. Any bowl that loses a contracted team to the Championship Game gets first pick of the eligible at-large schools. In the instance that the Pac-12 or Big Ten champion receives a bid to the BCS National Championship, the Rose Bowl is filled by either the second place team of the conference with the team that opted out, or if a "non Big-6"(a school not part of the major conferences) is ranked higher in the BCS standings they receive the bid over the second place team.

Let's assume Spot 1 is granted to a Non-AQ Conference.

There are then 3 spots left over. The question is who gets it if the following happens

- 11-1 Oregon (Only Lost to Stanford CC)
- 11-2 Miami (Lost twice to FSU i.e. in the NC Game)
- 11-1 Clemson (Lost to FSU at home, no Conference Champ Game)
- 10-2 Missouri (Lost to USCe and TAMpon, no Conference Champ Game)
- 10-2 Auburn (Lost to ranked LSU and Bama, no Conference Champ Game)
- 10-2 TAMpon (Lost to Bama and Auburn, no Conference Champ Game)
- 11-2 MSU (Lost to Notre Dame and OSU in the CCG)

My guess is Oregon and some SEC school will get a Spot. The question is who has the best case argument:

- 11-2 MSU
- 11-2 Miami
- 11-1 Clemson

Most important, let's beat VT.
 
Advertisement
Nope you're wrong about pretty much everything here.

The pecking order for bowls this year goes:

1. Orange
2. Fiesta
3. Sugar

With the orange bowl taking the ACC champion (or runner up if FSU is in the MNC) and the highest rated non-conferencce winner.

In other words, Oregon vs Miami is a likely Orange Bowl game, or Oregon vs Clemson.

The AAC winner doesn't get the Orange Bowl anymore.

Stop making this more complex then it is, I just attached teams to random bowls to illustrate some spots being open based on the above happening.

I didn't say any school was guaranteed a spot in a specific bowl game. It was really just a quick analysis of who I thought would be in consideration at the end of the year. That is it. The AAC winner (this is the last year) gets to a BCS bowl, if you can read it says (AAC just leave them here for now) about the Orange Bowl. Not that they are 100% in the Orange Bowl.

Here is the language again... Even in the five BCS bowls, consideration is given to historic associations between the conferences and the bowl games themselves. Tie-ins still apply, unless a team obligated to a certain bowl game is selected for the BCS Championship Game. In that case, their slot is filled by an at-large school.

Relax big Ern.
 
Title Game: Bama vs. FSU
Fiesta Bowl: Baylor vs. _____ (3rd)
Sugar Bowl: _____ (1st) vs. _____ (4th)
Orange Bowl: _____ (2nd) vs. _____ (5th)
Rose Bowl: Stanford vs. Ohio St*


The numbers represent the selection priorities.

We COULD get picked over Clemson if they don't finish in the top 3 of the BCS and we finish in the top 14. The Sugar Bowl gets first priority, so they might take someone like Texas A&M do get Johnny Football in a marquee matchup.

Orange Bowl gets 2nd selection, and they could take us over Clemson, too.


I could have this wrong....but I think the Orange gets first dibs at an at-large selection after its replacement bid.

So it would be:

Title Game: Bama vs. FSU
Fiesta Bowl: Baylor vs. _____ (5th)
Sugar Bowl: _____ (1st) vs. _____ (4th)
Orange Bowl: _____ (2nd) vs. _____ (3rd)
Rose Bowl: Stanford vs. Ohio St*


My guess is that the Orange under that scenario is going to take Oregon and the ACC #2 (Miami or Clemson). The Sugar will take an SEC team as the replacement pick and then may have to choose between the AAC champ or an un-defeated mid-major (Fresno or NIU). In that case they'd probably take the AAC champ, but if there isn't an undefeated mid-major, they'll take the Big10 or Big12 #2. The Fiesta then gets stuck with the AAC champ.

The beauty of Oregon losing is that if we can win the Coastal, the worst bowl game we're probably going to is the Chickfila (which is a very good bowl). They'd love to pair Miami vs an SEC team.
 
Last edited:
Advertisement
Back
Top