Will Golden always be this conservative?

[TexasCane90]

I think he'll start taking more chances as he gets more comfortable with the players


And hopefully stop taking his foot off the neck of down opponents in the 3rd

 

[TreOFive]

From playing seniors over younger more talented players because the older players are more likely to be in better position to make a play even if they won't make it (Highsmith), to not going for it on 4th down (ever) to basically saying that Williams is going to be the starter next year (yeah, I know, he said Olsen and Kaaya will have a chance, but I don't buy it) to the most obvious, the passive defense where is absolutely terrified of getting beat deep.

We keep saying his loyalty to Dorito will be his downfall, and while that's true, I think it's more than that. I think it's his conservatism and the fact that he coaches afraid. He needs to grow a pair.

Golden has gone for plenty of 4th downs. In fact, generally speaking, he's been very aggressive offensively in certain situations.

The 4th down play at Duke is sticking out in peoples minds and rightfully so. I thought it was a terrible decision too but you're right, he has been relatively aggressive in most 4th down situations.

Recency effect...I think where I would say he is conservative is on defense. If in fact this is HIS scheme that Dorito Chips is running. That is where he needs to grow a pair

 

[Consigliere]

Jesus Christ, harp one **** point much? How about looking at the overall issue? Golden is a very passive coach, who seems afraid to "get burned." He doesn't seem to have that gene that a Jimmy Johnson or Bobby Bowden had in numerous aspects of his overall coaching. I still think he's conservative with the 4th down calls, but I'll let that go since that apparently got everyone's panties in a wad. I still stand by every other point I put forward.

I have no problem if Williams wins it, but from everything Golden has said, he's basically won it. True freshman and redshirt freshman are good enough to start and even win and compete for Heisman trophies at other schools. I want Williams to start if he's better, not because he's older.

If Highsmith is better than Carter, Carter should quit football right now. Sorry, Highsmith is not a D-I player. Period. There are other examples at other positions too.

Someone disagrees and they have their panties in a wad. Jesus, I am telling my mother and the mods. I am not defending Golden, just giving my thoughts.

4th Downs Specifically: I don't see terrible decisions for the most part, I suppose it can be seen as conservative but not sure how it is passive. When we took chances (i.e. WF) we didn't even do so well. The two 4th downs against Duke, do you really think JJ 100% goes for it with the ball on their side of the field and it being a one score game with plenty of time left (11 minutes). I thought the second one could go either way. The only reason it could go either way was because of the time we did it.

As for the QB starter: I don't know where Golden said Williams is the guy. Please show me these comments. It doesn't make sense for him to name any 2014 starter in the 2013 season.

Who said anything about whether they were good enough to start, win heismans etc.? For the most part they are inexperienced and I think that is pretty evident. Granted some redshirt freshman have shown up to dominate (Winston, Manziel, Marriotta), I think for the most part they are expected to redshirt their freshman year (Winston, Marriotta, Hundley and Manziel) and go from there.

How many true freshman actual start and do well at QB? Even Manziel, Marriotta, Hundley and Winston redshirtted. IMO this should be expected for most true freshman QBs (i.e. Kaaya next year and Olsen in 2012).

As for redshirt freshman, things seem to be changing but if Olsen is the next Winston, Marriotta or Manziel...I have a feeling that Olsen will start and this will be an easy choice for Golden.

Highsmith and the Safety Position: In general, it is a difficult position to step on the field and do well. This is why I don't think Carter should be expected to play....but I am not sure why Highsmith plays at all. I can't explain this and don't know why Golden does it other than Carter is a true freshman who may not be ready.

Yes, panties in a wad applies here when everyone freaks out about 1 part of a post, while ignoring the rest.
There have been numerous articles that have said that Golden is "opening" up the QB competition, but that everyone expects Williams to basically be handed the job. There are plenty of other freshman QB that start too besides the ones you listed, but QB is not the only position.

What freshman qbs?

 

[rok]

He lost a lot of my respect by not going for it on 4th down against Duke. Sealed the game.

He really is a ******* neanderthal of an idiot.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

He lost a lot of my respect by not going for it on 4th down against Duke. Sealed the game.

He really is a ******* neanderthal of an idiot.

That's the bipolar Rok we know and love. Not a very good choice.

 

[Notsince1985]

Jesus, I'm not going to list every freaking freshman QB that has started. The dude at Ucla started as a freshman last year, Aaron Murray started as a freshman, Hackenberg at Penn St, to add to those you mentioned. I mean, even some drunk named Kosar started at Miami and won a couple of games as a freshman.

 

[Consigliere]

Jesus, I'm not going to list every freaking freshman QB that has started. The dude at Ucla started as a freshman last year, Aaron Murray started as a freshman, Hackenberg at Penn St, to add to those you mentioned. I mean, even some drunk named Kosar started at Miami and won a couple of games as a freshman.

Hundley redshirtted. Most kids dont start as freshman and if they do don't look to special. Sure there are outliers but even these beasts Hundley, Marriota, Winsto and Manziel redshirtted. I think you are forcing a point on this QB comp that doesn't exist.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Check his track record, this is who he is. He's a play not to lose, mistake free kind of a coach.

He was the same at Temple. Very Big 10 style of football.

 

[CTCANE]

I think Cyrez has changed his handle to NS85. Has anyone ever seem them two in the same room?

 

[GrozDozer]

to not going for it on 4th down (ever)

Ever?

Very rare

You're being very selective in just remembering last week. Golden has gone for more 4th downs over the past 3 years than most coaches.

 

[GrozDozer]

He lost a lot of my respect by not going for it on 4th down against Duke. Sealed the game.

He really is a ******* neanderthal of an idiot.

That's the bipolar Rok we know and love. Not a very good choice.

I just love his stupid ******* backward *** post-avi combo. Sums up about 85% of Canes fans. People are ******* stupid. I still haven't seen anyone answer the question of who would start over Morris? WHO THE **** SHOULD START OVER MORRIS THIS YEAR!?!? Yeah. Exactly. Jameis ain't walking through that door. **** Jamies didn't even walk through that door last year for FSU he rode the bench and learned the offense from a QB he was much more talented that(remind you of anyone on our roster....?) and didn't even take the team over until the beginning of the season. word out of FSU was that Coker looked just as good or better in practice. Look it up ******s. **** every single one of you fair weather *** *******. Weak minded fickle **** suckers the lot of ya.

 

[GrozDozer]

INB4 i get called a soft shouldered ***** or Golden's cousin or some stupid *** ****.

 

[Notsince1985]

Jesus, I'm not going to list every freaking freshman QB that has started. The dude at Ucla started as a freshman last year, Aaron Murray started as a freshman, Hackenberg at Penn St, to add to those you mentioned. I mean, even some drunk named Kosar started at Miami and won a couple of games as a freshman.

Hundley redshirtted. Most kids dont start as freshman and if they do don't look to special. Sure there are outliers but even these beasts Hundley, Marriota, Winsto and Manziel redshirtted. I think you are forcing a point on this QB comp that doesn't exist.

I never said he didn't. Olsen will be a redshirt freshman next year. That was part of my point. Notice I listed Kaaya and Olsen. A true and redshirt freshman. I never said a true freshman. You might have interpreted it that way, but that's not my fault.

 

[Notsince1985]

to not going for it on 4th down (ever)

Ever?

Very rare

You're being very selective in just remembering last week. Golden has gone for more 4th downs over the past 3 years than most coaches.

No, I'm not. Last week, UNC, Wake Forest. There are other examples as well, but again, as I already addressed, and as others already addressed, that was 1 small part of a bigger more troubling issue at hand.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

It's likely that he wouldn't even start J. Winston if he had signed with Miami. He'd probably have to sit until Morris AND Williams were gone.

If I were an elite QB, I wouldn't even consider UM knowing that I'd have no chance to start until Golden's favorite QB graduates.

Who is the J. Winston on our roster who should be starting over Morris?

He's speaking hypothetically. Work on improving your reading comprehension.

How about losing the attitude, chief. If there is no one on the bench who is better than our current QB, then what evidence does he have to go by to say that Golden wouldn't start a Winston out of loyalty? Golden's loyalty to Morris is taking snaps away from _____________?

Hahaha! Lose the attitude? You're asking him for the name of a back up when it's clear he was posting hypothetically. Do you even know what that word means? He was giving his opinion. He said "likely" and "IF" we had signed Winston and "probably". Chances are he feels there are players in OTHER positions who are playing based on seniority. So, maybe that's how you should couch your questions. To give examples in support of his opinion. SMH

An opinion should be backed up with some form of observed evidence. The guy ranted about loyalty to a QB. There is nothing to indicate that Al Golden has started a QB over a better QB out of blind loyalty.

 

[AtrainCane]

For the last time, we never HAD to play AJH. He's a senior, cant you tell they will play a less talented senior.......The question is y would you EVER want him on the field and have AB or Crawford on the sideline?

 

[GrozDozer]

For the last time, we never HAD to play AJH. He's a senior, cant you tell they will play a less talented senior.......The question is y would you EVER want him on the field and have AB or Crawford on the sideline?

Since when have Crawford or Burns played safety?

 

[AtrainCane]

For the last time, we never HAD to play AJH. He's a senior, cant you tell they will play a less talented senior.......The question is y would you EVER want him on the field and have AB or Crawford on the sideline?

Since when have Crawford or Burns played safety?

Is there some football rule I don't know about that says you have to play 2 "safeties"?

 

[GrozDozer]

PUT TYRIQ AT SAFETY.

 

[AtrainCane]

PUT TYRIQ AT SAFETY.

Play 3 corners and a safety. Put Gunter there, we have options.