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Why stars dont matter, part 2

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Thread Killa said:
2018 BC class: 71st overall, 14th in the ACC
2017 BC class: 67th overall, 13th in the ACC
2016 BC class: 78th overall, 14th in the ACC
2015 BC class: 60th overall, 14th in the ACC


2018 UVA class: 60th overall, 11th in the ACC
2017 UVA class: 58th overall, 12th in the ACC
2016 UVA class: 63rd overall, 13th in the ACC
2015 UVA class: 50th overall, 10th in the ACC


2018 Miami class: 8th overall, 2nd in the ACC
2017 Miami class: 12th overall, 2nd in the ACC
2016 Miami class: 22nd overall, 3rd in the ACC
2015 Miami class: 27th overall, 3rd in the ACC

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They should start star rating coaches too...What would Corch Richt be? a 2 star?!?
 

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We can do that with every team that pulls off an upset... What is Purdue’s class rankings compared to Ohio States? Or Iowa last year compared to Ohio State?

Or Syracuse compared to Clemson... recruiting rankings aren’t an exact science some of you delusional internet weirdos think somebody labeled a 5 star is automatically miles better than someone labelled a 3 star. In some instances it’s true in most its not.

These kids still grow and develop and if you have a coaching staff that knows how to get the right kids for their program than you will have a competitive fb program no matter your overall class ranking.

What can’t be argued is class rankings deciding national championships... Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Not really because he also NEVER beats more talented teams. He has maybe done it once in his entire career. If he had even less star studded teams he would be a perennial 5 win coach.
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I see what your saying. I was talking about the situation as it currently stands. My point was that the talent that he has on the team AT THE MOMENT is being held back by his coaching. You're saying that the more talented team wins, on average, more than the less talented team. I agree with you there and, honestly, your point is probably more relevant to the thread topic anyway. Games that should be almost automatic wins due to our talent advantage are definitely thrown more into question by Richt's coaching deficiencies..
 
Distructobot3000 said:
I see what your saying. I was talking about the situation as it currently stands. My point was that the talent that he has on the team AT THE MOMENT is being held back by his coaching. You're saying that the more talented team wins, on average, more than the less talented team. I agree with you there and, honestly, your point is probably more relevant to the thread topic anyway. Games that should be almost automatic wins due to our talent advantage are definitely thrown more into question by Richt's coaching deficiencies..
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Agree on all points. Richt has the talent to beat UVA and BC, but his poor coaching is what held us back.
 
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HurricaneHauk said:
Where have the playoff teams ranked

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Incomplete analogy since we are not even close to a playoff team. Get over it.

So if you read it again it said clearly if based on recruiting stars we should have no problem beating teams like BV, UVA, Pitt, etc before being a playoff team.

Something is fundamentally wrong at Miami. For me is the south Florida love affair overrating players.
 
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More Talented teams with bad coaching sometimes beat less talented teams with good coaching.
More Talented teams with bad coaching sometimes lose to less talented teams with good coaching.

More Talented teams with good coaching beat both types of teams just about every time.
 
They do matter. You just need the right combination of guys from ones with elites skills or physical abilities with those who are good but have work ethic, heart and leadership - and then you need to COACH them up!
 
Bud Elliot's "Blue Chip Ratio" has been a reliable indicator of which teams can (note can, not will) compete for national championships. Of course great coaching and finding hidden gems with 1 & 2 star ratings will help - but statistically speaking the BCR is more right than wrong given the unpredictable such as injuries and incredibly inept coaching. Look it up ( and yes for 2018 FSU is on the list (surely an indictment of FSU's coaching) and the U ain't. Georgia is on the list partially due to Richt's recruiting prowess - which under Kirby is performing at a high level. The U is close to the list but given how many commits we may lose due to inept coaching...we could be in for another long period of "just not good enough".
 
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I didn't want to start a thread about it so I'll put this right here...

I'm not anointing BC as the greatest show on turf,
but I never thought I'd see the day where BC's offense was more innovative and exciting to watch than ours.

And every other team sans the option teams of the world.
 
In totality when you consider the teams that make the playoffs, there is no question that better ranked recruiting classes tend to result in better football teams.

All this shows is that coaching can muck-it-up.
 
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Just because Richt is retarded and wastes talent doesn't mean stars don't matter. Every team that competes for the national championship is loaded with 4/5 stars.
 
2018 247 Team Talent Composites...

Right now...of the Top 10 teams in the AP Poll...8 of them were in the Top 11 of those 2018 247 Team Talent Composites.

Bozos will try "well look at da semenholes and U$C!!!"...yeah, well I'm looking at 8 of 10.

Stars matter.
 
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Take the best coach in the country and give him the least talented team in the country.
Take the worst coach in the country and give him the most talented team in the country.

The best coach is going to lose every time.

The most talented teams can get by on superior talent and if the coaching is good then all the more better.

The problem is Miami isn't talented enough to get by with poor coaching.
 
It’s not a zero sum game. You need stars to win championships but if your coaches are inept at handling their roster, setting lineups, and scheming opponents week-in and week-out then you won’t win championships. On the other hand, as you can see at northwestern and other programs, good coaches can only take you so far
 
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