Why cant our freshman play?

[jwayne]

If Kaaya starts, I hope to **** he is special.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/17/4630390/so-youre-starting-a-true-freshman-quarterback

 

[wherrera8]

Those were the number 1 and 2 dual threat qbs this year

I am watching Recruiting Nation on ESPN U and they are saying that Brandon Harris might be in the mix for LSU. Deshaun Watson might also be in the mix at Clemson. Kaaya can most certainly be our guy!

That's great! All that goes out the window when you get to campus. They only evaluate you on your performance in practice. Those two guys are clearly doing all the right things for their teams.

If Kaaya is doing all the right things here, no reason he shouldn't play.

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

Those were the number 1 and 2 dual threat qbs this year

I am watching Recruiting Nation on ESPN U and they are saying that Brandon Harris might be in the mix for LSU. Deshaun Watson might also be in the mix at Clemson. Kaaya can most certainly be our guy!

That's great! All that goes out the window when you get to campus. They only evaluate you on your performance in practice. Those two guys are clearly doing all the right things for their teams.

If Kaaya is doing all the right things here, no reason he shouldn't play.

Dual threats have there legs to fall back on, they don't have to be great QBs right now to win games. If Kaaya struggles to read a defense, or can't get through his progession, then what? He will be a sitting duck unless he learns the ins and outs of being a good QB.

 

[wherrera8]

Those were the number 1 and 2 dual threat qbs this year

I am watching Recruiting Nation on ESPN U and they are saying that Brandon Harris might be in the mix for LSU. Deshaun Watson might also be in the mix at Clemson. Kaaya can most certainly be our guy!

That's great! All that goes out the window when you get to campus. They only evaluate you on your performance in practice. Those two guys are clearly doing all the right things for their teams.

If Kaaya is doing all the right things here, no reason he shouldn't play.

Dual threats have there legs to fall back on, they don't have to be great QBs right now to win games. If Kaaya struggles to read a defense, or can't get through his progession, then what? He will be a sitting duck unless he learns the ins and outs of being a good QB.

I agree with all of that, but now you are making the assumption that Kaaya isn't doing any of that correctly.

My original point is that just because these guys are Freshman, doesn't mean that they are incapable of doing all theses things correctly. If Kaaya is doing well and surpassing expectations and is doing what you need him to do, and doing it just as good, or even better than Heaps, you go with him! Him being a freshman should not be as much of a deciding factor as his performance should.

 

[Gatorhater]

Part of the problem with freshmen is the wall they all seem to run into later in the season. College is more of a grind and season is longer. Even Duke hit the wall his first year and freshmen do not come any better than him. Doesn't mean they should play, but if you play them a ton and rely on them too much, it can catch up with you later in the season.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Our offense asks more of the qb than the read option the read option type things that force the defense to load up vs run and make the passing reads easy. I don't think it would be easy for a freshman. Similarly, our defense wants to be multiple more than it even wishes to be successful which is not an easy formula for young guys. We've seen confusion through all years so you know the freshmen in the back 7 will be a step slow.

We'll play some freshmen but I doubt Kaaya will start at the beginning. I think he'd have to win the job DECISIVELY because obviously the risk of stage fright is higher with him than Heaps.

 

[ThomasM]

I think Kaaya would have easily been the starter had a 5th year senior not come in and picked up the offence as well as he has. Kaaya is obviously doing well for a freshman, and is VERY talented, but when you have a 5th year senior doing really well it makes it a little harder to grab that starting spot. If he does, it says a lot about him. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean he's not the future, just that the coaches want the leadership the experienced guy brings to the table.

Considering where the QB position was at a few months ago, this is a wonderful problem to have.

 

[[]_[] swag]

IN ORDER FOR A FRESHMAN TO HAVE SUCCESS THEY MUST HAVE ABOVE AVERAGE TO SUPER STAR TALENT AROUND THEM!
That is why why we put in freshmen and they look like freshmen. If we had an experience great OLINE and Coley was JR and Duke a SR with equal or better Skill players to replace them then BK would easily be able to come in and have a dynamite season. But what happens when you have a ?? Oline, with BK and Yearby (does he know pass pro assignment?) in the backfield on 2 and 8 on the road in nebraska?

So you're saying Kaaya can't come in and be successful because he won't be surrounded by enough talent. Thats probably the worst argument I've heard so far in this debate. If coley was a jr and duke a Sr???????? What are you talking about man?

 

[Dghustla]

IN ORDER FOR A FRESHMAN TO HAVE SUCCESS THEY MUST HAVE ABOVE AVERAGE TO SUPER STAR TALENT AROUND THEM!
That is why why we put in freshmen and they look like freshmen. If we had an experience great OLINE and Coley was JR and Duke a SR with equal or better Skill players to replace them then BK would easily be able to come in and have a dynamite season. But what happens when you have a ?? Oline, with BK and Yearby (does he know pass pro assignment?) in the backfield on 2 and 8 on the road in nebraska?

So you're saying Kaaya can't come in and be successful because he won't be surrounded by enough talent. Thats probably the worst argument I've heard so far in this debate. If coley was a jr and duke a Sr???????? What are you talking about man?

It's not that he can't be "successful" but is seems like some ppl expect Kayaa to come in, lead this team to 10 wins, throw 30+ TDs and be a Maxwell finalist. the numbers being floated around for Goff and Hackenburg are ok at best IMO and those teams didn't sniff anything close to 10 wins. if you define success as completing between 57%-60% of your passes and throwing more TDs than INTs then yes, Kayaa can be "successful".

The point I was making was that if we had better and seasoned talent at the skill positions and Oline then it would be easier for Kayaa to come in and have the type of success many ppl are projecting. I'm on the Kayaa bandwagon and I hope he is the best freshman QB in the history of CFB but the odds of that being the case just aren't likely. I'd feel more comfortable if we had more proven big game performers on the team Ala Duke and Coley who can make things easier for a young QB.

 

[texacane]

The thing is Heaps is probably used to getting sacked, having receivers covered, defenses not playing like film sessions predicted, having receivers drop passes, and having to throw it away to avoid the sack and not throwing into coverage. All this experience should make him less rattled when things go wrong. (Snickers was all-world panic attack mode when things bumped )

We don't need a QB to "win" we need a QB to not lose. (See Snickers or Jacory snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with four ints )

We just need a QB to manage the game and keep our offense on the field (and thus our defense off).
We have so many offensive weapons it's amazing. Just maintain possession and convert on third downs and in the red zone.

We don't need the world's best QB. we just need to not have an error prone, panicked, radar locked, no touch pass, QB who's trying to win the game all by himself.

With that said, KB, Heaps, Williams? Whoever gets that done is fine with me.

 

[ThomasM]

Couldn't agree more. We have talent on that side of the ball that resembles our championship teams. Maybe even deeper at WR than some. Just get the ball to the play makers and let them run. One thing Ryan Williams was known for was getting the ball to his guys in stride in high school. That alone is the difference between a 10 yard gain and a 50 yard TD sometimes. It's the little things that add up to big results.

The thing is Heaps is probably used to getting sacked, having receivers covered, defenses not playing like film sessions predicted, having receivers drop passes, and having to throw it away to avoid the sack and not throwing into coverage. All this experience should make him less rattled when things go wrong. (Snickers was all-world panic attack mode when things bumped )

We don't need a QB to "win" we need a QB to not lose. (See Snickers or Jacory snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with four ints )

We just need a QB to manage the game and keep our offense on the field (and thus our defense off).
We have so many offensive weapons it's amazing. Just maintain possession and convert on third downs and in the red zone.

We don't need the world's best QB. we just need to not have an error prone, panicked, radar locked, no touch pass, QB who's trying to win the game all by himself.

With that said, KB, Heaps, Williams? Whoever gets that done is fine with me.

 

[Dghustla]

The thing is Heaps is probably used to getting sacked, having receivers covered, defenses not playing like film sessions predicted, having receivers drop passes, and having to throw it away to avoid the sack and not throwing into coverage. All this experience should make him less rattled when things go wrong. (Snickers was all-world panic attack mode when things bumped )

We don't need a QB to "win" we need a QB to not lose. (See Snickers or Jacory snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with four ints )

We just need a QB to manage the game and keep our offense on the field (and thus our defense off).
We have so many offensive weapons it's amazing. Just maintain possession and convert on third downs and in the red zone.

We don't need the world's best QB. we just need to not have an error prone, panicked, radar locked, no touch pass, QB who's trying to win the game all by himself.

With that said, KB, Heaps, Williams? Whoever gets that done is fine with me.

Great post and couldn't agree more. However I do want to see more out of our WR agaisnt the better defensive teams we play. Over the last 5 or so years we've left way too many big plays on the field by not making the catch or not beating that last defender. I love the ability and versatility of these guys now it's time for them to be dominant. If we can rely on more than just Coley and Duke this team will be lethal regardless of who our QB is (if things are a good as the camp reports make them seem).

 

[LuCane]

in today's society, stars are stupid not to be 3 and done. The redshirting and hoping for 4 years is pretty much gone. Kids get screwed more when to do than when they don't. Especially with RB's short self life.

Said this before. For a RB, 30 is the done year. With the new CBA, your first 4 year contract is structured to ***** you. So doing the math of a typical situation, 18 in college. 3 year mandatory before NFL =21. 4 year ***** you first contract = 25, which means a true RB only has 5 years of anything close to real money. Why push it to only 4? Doesn't make much sense to come back for RB. Duke should leave for that alone, but mama duke said he can't leave till the degree. He better be busting his *** to get the degree in 3 years.

Agreed…the best business decision for a talented running back coming into college is to demand a redshirt. Sad to say, but it's the truth. Especially with the devaluation of RB's in the NFL along with that you said.

What? Demand a redshirt?

 

[CyberCane]

in today's society, stars are stupid not to be 3 and done. The redshirting and hoping for 4 years is pretty much gone. Kids get screwed more when to do than when they don't. Especially with RB's short self life.

Said this before. For a RB, 30 is the done year. With the new CBA, your first 4 year contract is structured to ***** you. So doing the math of a typical situation, 18 in college. 3 year mandatory before NFL =21. 4 year ***** you first contract = 25, which means a true RB only has 5 years of anything close to real money. Why push it to only 4? Doesn't make much sense to come back for RB. Duke should leave for that alone, but mama duke said he can't leave till the degree. He better be busting his *** to get the degree in 3 years.

Agreed…the best business decision for a talented running back coming into college is to demand a redshirt. Sad to say, but it's the truth. Especially with the devaluation of RB's in the NFL along with that you said.

What? Demand a redshirt?

Absolutely. Are you failing to see the logic?

 

[CanesAreAble]

in today's society, stars are stupid not to be 3 and done. The redshirting and hoping for 4 years is pretty much gone. Kids get screwed more when to do than when they don't. Especially with RB's short self life.

Said this before. For a RB, 30 is the done year. With the new CBA, your first 4 year contract is structured to ***** you. So doing the math of a typical situation, 18 in college. 3 year mandatory before NFL =21. 4 year ***** you first contract = 25, which means a true RB only has 5 years of anything close to real money. Why push it to only 4? Doesn't make much sense to come back for RB. Duke should leave for that alone, but mama duke said he can't leave till the degree. He better be busting his *** to get the degree in 3 years.

Agreed…the best business decision for a talented running back coming into college is to demand a redshirt. Sad to say, but it's the truth. Especially with the devaluation of RB's in the NFL along with that you said.

What? Demand a redshirt?

Absolutely. Are you failing to see the logic?

What's to stop a redshirt sophomore from leaving?

 

[LuCane]

in today's society, stars are stupid not to be 3 and done. The redshirting and hoping for 4 years is pretty much gone. Kids get screwed more when to do than when they don't. Especially with RB's short self life.

Said this before. For a RB, 30 is the done year. With the new CBA, your first 4 year contract is structured to ***** you. So doing the math of a typical situation, 18 in college. 3 year mandatory before NFL =21. 4 year ***** you first contract = 25, which means a true RB only has 5 years of anything close to real money. Why push it to only 4? Doesn't make much sense to come back for RB. Duke should leave for that alone, but mama duke said he can't leave till the degree. He better be busting his *** to get the degree in 3 years.

Agreed…the best business decision for a talented running back coming into college is to demand a redshirt. Sad to say, but it's the truth. Especially with the devaluation of RB's in the NFL along with that you said.

What? Demand a redshirt?

Absolutely. Are you failing to see the logic?

I am. Not trying to be rude at all. I really don't get it. The best decision for a talented RB coming into college is to burst on to the scene as part of a rotation during his first year in the program. The second year, he'd presumably still be in a rotation, but with a more significant role. The third year, he'd presumably be the lead role with younger guys chipping in.

He'd then leave and, to the previous poster's point, get to the NFL as young as possible. An example of a RS Sophomore leaving early is Gio Bernard. NFL teams now devalue backs with too many "miles." For a talented back who wants to be drafted as high as possible, he has to balance proven production, miles (effect going forward), and physical attributes. That seems like most of the magic formula for an NFL RB prospect.

If you disagree, I'm curious to know what you see is a better route.

 

[CyberCane]

in today's society, stars are stupid not to be 3 and done. The redshirting and hoping for 4 years is pretty much gone. Kids get screwed more when to do than when they don't. Especially with RB's short self life.

Said this before. For a RB, 30 is the done year. With the new CBA, your first 4 year contract is structured to ***** you. So doing the math of a typical situation, 18 in college. 3 year mandatory before NFL =21. 4 year ***** you first contract = 25, which means a true RB only has 5 years of anything close to real money. Why push it to only 4? Doesn't make much sense to come back for RB. Duke should leave for that alone, but mama duke said he can't leave till the degree. He better be busting his *** to get the degree in 3 years.

Agreed…the best business decision for a talented running back coming into college is to demand a redshirt. Sad to say, but it's the truth. Especially with the devaluation of RB's in the NFL along with that you said.

What? Demand a redshirt?

Absolutely. Are you failing to see the logic?

I am. Not trying to be rude at all. I really don't get it. The best decision for a talented RB coming into college is to burst on to the scene as part of a rotation during his first year in the program. The second year, he'd presumably still be in a rotation, but with a more significant role. The third year, he'd presumably be the lead role with younger guys chipping in.

He'd then leave and, to the previous poster's point, get to the NFL as young as possible. An example of a RS Sophomore leaving early is Gio Bernard. NFL teams now devalue backs with too many "miles." For a talented back who wants to be drafted as high as possible, he has to balance proven production, miles (effect going forward), and physical attributes. That seems like most of the magic formula for an NFL RB prospect.

If you disagree, I'm curious to know what you see is a better route.

I'm thinking about the special talent, not the average kid. I have to be in college/out of high school for three years. Why wouldn't I want an entire year (or 1.5 years for EE's) to redshirt in order to get stronger and prepare my body? I can still learn almost everything about the offense, with the exception of game experience. Not only do I save the miles on my legs, but also drastically reduce the chance for injury. You tear an ACL has a true freshman, you might not fully recover for two years.
To NFL scouts, does the first year where you maybe run for 450 yards really matter? If you're a stud the two years following your redshirt, scouts will notice you. Willis McGahee was really only relevant on the field for one year.