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What is most important to you in a recruit?

UknowWhat said:
What I think is important is that a recruit wants to be a Hurricane (first and far most), His Film, Then his National Ranking. The new recruit wants it NOW... He feels the offer from the school with the better record and is currently basking in the lime light... is the best offer. If the bag man really exist then I'm certain that will have an influence on a recruits choice. Auburn, Alabama, UF and UGA had Shaq's attention they didn't land him NOT because they suck at recruiting... they didn't get him because he wanted to play for the University of Miami. I think Star Ratings is a bit over rated as well ... case in Point RJ Mac, Ken Norton and Mike Pinkney were not highly rated but I argue they are among the best of their peers at their respective positions... If a recruit musters a lot of drama in his recruitment ... he will bring it into the locker room once on campus. All money ain't good money. The biggest aid in landing the pretentious recruit is Winning.
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Figure I'll take this opportunity to ask:
What are the big time coaches like? Saban et al. All cut from the same cloth?
 
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1. Amount of dat dog in em
2. Stars
3. Ability to talk ****
4. Rap sheet
 
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Just on the surface...

1. Offers
2. Film
3A. Competition
3B. What he does against other D1 talent
4. Measureables

Obviously there's other things that are extremely important below the service such as work ethic, attitude, is he coachable, etc.
 
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It seems trite but I think the most important thing, in addition to evaluations, competition, etc., is heart, which is difficult to measure. The Cane greats had lots of dog in them. Guys like Reed, and Ray Lewis were very talented but their work ethic set them above the rest. We've missed that for some time. That's why I get excited when I see kids like Shaq, and Pinckney. Those kids are Rottweilers. We need talented kids with heart that want to compete everyday, and aren't consumed by their Twitter mentions.
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
1. Highlight film. Even with just a few clips you can see how much explosiveness a kid has (first thing i look for). Sometimes a kid will pop off the tape and you really don't need to see any thing more. Also can give you a good indication of their competition and size.

2. What schools they hold offers from is key to. If they don't hold offers from a feeder or home town school, this is usually a red flag. Either they're garbage, or there's some other issues going on (grades, psycho, etc.) that they know about that others don't or will soon discover.
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Not that I disagree with you but...here's the grey area with both of those...

1. He may pop off the screen athletically, but it's a HIGHLIGHT tape. There's kids out there who show great ability for a few snaps a game but are irrelevant and make zero impact for the rest. However, I'm aware of the fact that college coaches just wanna see ability and they believe that they can coach up any kid who has it.

2. I don't think you can apply this rule to South FLA kids. Just because a South FLA kid doesn't hold offers from UF, FSU, UM, etc...doesn't mean he's not a stud. There's 203,320,012 Division-1 recruits in FLA. Not all of them will receive offers from the likes of UF/FSU, especially South FLA kids, as UF/FSU usually only come down here for the elite kids. There's South FLA kids who didn't receive offers from UF/FSU who could easily play at Miami and help us greatly. A kid may not have offers from UF/FSU but he'll have offers from Clemson, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. (other top-25 teams) That kid can likely help Miami.

Now, if a kid doesn't have any offers from top-25 schools then I'd consider it a red flag. Golden was a huge fan of signing kids who's offer list had Akron, Western Michigan, etc.
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I hear you on #1 , but some things -- like burst for example you can't fake on a highlight tape. It's hard to mask a lack of athleticism even if you are cherry picking your best plays. You look at a guy like Deejay's tape, and you see a gear that others simply don't have. You are right tho, coach, in that you have to remember these guys are picking their best plays, so you always have to keep that in the back of your head, as well as who their highlights are against. You see some of these guys highlights from one game against squads like American or Goleman -- automatic deduction.

Spot on with #2 in regards to South Florida. Guess I didn't think about that. Golden and his crew were such losers, they barely made contact w guys like Jeudy and we're forced having to play catch up with cats in our own backyard.
 
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Can you speak to the perception of UM's athletic facilities in comparison to the other schools you mentioned?

I've heard the gap is pretty significant, even with our recent upgrades.

And I suspect, if the gap is factual, that a kid WANTING to be at Miami is huge because they are likely willing to minimize or overlook the gap.

Or am I way off base, and it doesn't really matter?

UknowWhat said:
What I think is important is that a recruit wants to be a Hurricane (first and far most), His Film, Then his National Ranking. The new recruit wants it NOW... He feels the offer from the school with the better record and is currently basking in the lime light... is the best offer. If the bag man really exist then I'm certain that will have an influence on a recruits choice. Auburn, Alabama, UF and UGA had Shaq's attention they didn't land him NOT because they suck at recruiting... they didn't get him because he wanted to play for the University of Miami. I think Star Ratings is a bit over rated as well ... case in Point RJ Mac, Ken Norton and Mike Pinkney were not highly rated but I argue they are among the best of their peers at their respective positions... If a recruit musters a lot of drama in his recruitment ... he will bring it into the locker room once on campus. All money ain't good money. The biggest aid in landing the pretentious recruit is Winning.
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supersaiyanshel said:
Coach Macho said:
supersaiyanshel said:
1. Highlight film. Even with just a few clips you can see how much explosiveness a kid has (first thing i look for). Sometimes a kid will pop off the tape and you really don't need to see any thing more. Also can give you a good indication of their competition and size.

2. What schools they hold offers from is key to. If they don't hold offers from a feeder or home town school, this is usually a red flag. Either they're garbage, or there's some other issues going on (grades, psycho, etc.) that they know about that others don't or will soon discover.
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Not that I disagree with you but...here's the grey area with both of those...

1. He may pop off the screen athletically, but it's a HIGHLIGHT tape. There's kids out there who show great ability for a few snaps a game but are irrelevant and make zero impact for the rest. However, I'm aware of the fact that college coaches just wanna see ability and they believe that they can coach up any kid who has it.

2. I don't think you can apply this rule to South FLA kids. Just because a South FLA kid doesn't hold offers from UF, FSU, UM, etc...doesn't mean he's not a stud. There's 203,320,012 Division-1 recruits in FLA. Not all of them will receive offers from the likes of UF/FSU, especially South FLA kids, as UF/FSU usually only come down here for the elite kids. There's South FLA kids who didn't receive offers from UF/FSU who could easily play at Miami and help us greatly. A kid may not have offers from UF/FSU but he'll have offers from Clemson, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. (other top-25 teams) That kid can likely help Miami.

Now, if a kid doesn't have any offers from top-25 schools then I'd consider it a red flag. Golden was a huge fan of signing kids who's offer list had Akron, Western Michigan, etc.
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I hear you on [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] , but some things -- like burst for example you can't fake on a highlight tape. It's hard to mask a lack of athleticism even if you are cherry picking your best plays. You look at a guy like Deejay's tape, and you see a gear that others simply don't have. You are right tho, coach, in that you have to remember these guys are picking their best plays, so you always have to keep that in the back of your head, as well as who their highlights are against. You see some of these guys highlights from one game against squads like American or Goleman -- automatic deduction.

Spot on with #2 in regards to South Florida. Guess I didn't think about that. Golden and his crew were such losers, they barely made contact w guys like Jeudy and we're forced having to play catch up with cats in our own backyard.
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I've seen kids intrigue scouts after the first 2 plays from their highlights, so you're definitely right about #1 .

We had a coach from Vanderbilt (was actually an ex-UM coach) show up to recruit one of our skill kids. (RB/WR)
He watched 2 whole plays from his tape and said "**** coach, this kid can play WR, RB or Safety. Where he at? Let me meet him!" LOL
Offered him on the spot.
 
Notsince1985 said:
Stars
Ranking (national/state/position)
What schools they hold offers from
Highlight film
What Pete says

I ask, because in each thread, or when we gain a recruit, or lose one, we have posters who are upset because he's a 3 star, or defend him because he's a 3 star, but has offers from FSU, UF, Clemson, etc., or he's a 3 star, but Pete likes him, or he's a 3 star, but looks like a stud on film, or etc.

So, as someone who doesn't really follow recruiting that closely, and not really until January, what say you fine gentlemen?
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None of the above.

Ability.
 
Coach Macho said:
supersaiyanshel said:
Coach Macho said:
supersaiyanshel said:
1. Highlight film. Even with just a few clips you can see how much explosiveness a kid has (first thing i look for). Sometimes a kid will pop off the tape and you really don't need to see any thing more. Also can give you a good indication of their competition and size.

2. What schools they hold offers from is key to. If they don't hold offers from a feeder or home town school, this is usually a red flag. Either they're garbage, or there's some other issues going on (grades, psycho, etc.) that they know about that others don't or will soon discover.
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Not that I disagree with you but...here's the grey area with both of those...

1. He may pop off the screen athletically, but it's a HIGHLIGHT tape. There's kids out there who show great ability for a few snaps a game but are irrelevant and make zero impact for the rest. However, I'm aware of the fact that college coaches just wanna see ability and they believe that they can coach up any kid who has it.

2. I don't think you can apply this rule to South FLA kids. Just because a South FLA kid doesn't hold offers from UF, FSU, UM, etc...doesn't mean he's not a stud. There's 203,320,012 Division-1 recruits in FLA. Not all of them will receive offers from the likes of UF/FSU, especially South FLA kids, as UF/FSU usually only come down here for the elite kids. There's South FLA kids who didn't receive offers from UF/FSU who could easily play at Miami and help us greatly. A kid may not have offers from UF/FSU but he'll have offers from Clemson, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, etc. (other top-25 teams) That kid can likely help Miami.

Now, if a kid doesn't have any offers from top-25 schools then I'd consider it a red flag. Golden was a huge fan of signing kids who's offer list had Akron, Western Michigan, etc.
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I hear you on [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] , but some things -- like burst for example you can't fake on a highlight tape. It's hard to mask a lack of athleticism even if you are cherry picking your best plays. You look at a guy like Deejay's tape, and you see a gear that others simply don't have. You are right tho, coach, in that you have to remember these guys are picking their best plays, so you always have to keep that in the back of your head, as well as who their highlights are against. You see some of these guys highlights from one game against squads like American or Goleman -- automatic deduction.

Spot on with #2 in regards to South Florida. Guess I didn't think about that. Golden and his crew were such losers, they barely made contact w guys like Jeudy and we're forced having to play catch up with cats in our own backyard.
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I've seen kids intrigue scouts after the first 2 plays from their highlights, so you're definitely right about #1 .

We had a coach from Vanderbilt (was actually an ex-UM coach) show up to recruit one of our skill kids. (RB/WR)
He watched 2 whole plays from his tape and said "**** coach, this kid can play WR, RB or Safety. Where he at? Let me meet him!" LOL
Offered him on the spot.
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Good ol Coach McGriff.

Randy was a clown, but he actually had some gems on his staff.
 
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1. Tape -- Gives an indication of size/speed/agility matrix.
2. Comp -- Is he playing against bums? If he is, he should be destroying them, e.g. Ahmmon Richards. He was straight-up Mossing his opponents.
3. Offers -- If he checks off the first two boxes and he's being lightly recruited, it brings up questions of character/grades/work ethic. That said, I still give more weight to the first two criteria.


Don't really care about stars. There are all kinds of reasons why players are incorrectly rated (attending/not attending camps, not developing after sophomore year, etc...). Brini is an example of a 4-star who never impressed me. Now all of a sudden he doesn't appear to be a take for any of the P5 schools.
 
To me its really if the kid is from the "State of Miami" as Butch said. Gives a good gauge on which High schools are pro Miami. If kids are committing (Like a Gulliver) or not (like a Boyd Andersen). Stars really don't matter as Miami guys always slip through the cracks like the Eddie Jacksons or the Quincy Wilsons and become studs. Both were 3 stars.
 
1. Loyalty
2. Durability

Few things I hate more than lack of commitment and guys that are always in the training room.
 
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Other than talent, attitude. Give me a guy Like Deejay Dallas everyday of the week. Those are the guys that will come here and be leaders and take matters into their own hands.
 
frankthetank14 said:
To me its really if the kid is from the "State of Miami" as Butch said. Gives a good gauge on which High schools are pro Miami. If kids are committing (Like a Gulliver) or not (like a Boyd Andersen). Stars really don't matter as Miami guys always slip through the cracks like the Eddie Jacksons or the Quincy Wilsons and become studs. Both were 3 stars.
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Quincy Wilson was all everything in high school, he didn't slip through any ******* cracks.
 
1) Talent
2) Real size/speed numbers
3) Competition

Offers are a symptom of the above; not the root cause of projected success. If you're a college coach or recruiter looking for validation from other schools, you don't know what you are looking for in a player for your system. Kids "look" different in different systems. Plain and simple for all of those who watched our defensive players magically look more talented from 2015 to 2016.
 
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speaking of offers, it also matters a lot if a particular school offered them. like for a while (and maybe still now) if Wisconsin offered some 3* Oline guy, you know he a savage
 
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