what i dont get about coach golden and coach d

[nycane]

golden moved UVA from bottom of fbs defensively to top 20. Marc was his lb coach. at temple, they worked miracles. Here they are playing passive.I had a family friend who played lb at temple and said coach d is very aggressive guy. It doesn't make sense to me.
honestly, i feel one thing is attrition but i bet right now he has to be regretting being so loyal to the seniors because he seemed ready to blurt out they suck in the post game. I mean, our star defensive linemen is a kid we flipped last minute from temple (pierre), armbrister was a late signing and a converted safety. I have to think they just dont trust the talent. How could guys develop uva and temple guys into productive nfl players yet they are struggling here. i am so confused.

 

[ball915]

failing to adapt to the personnel they have here. their style worked great in the past but just look at Shayon Green in the most athletic position and it tells you all you need to know. look at chip kelly who adapted his playbook to Nick Foles coming from Masoli and Mariota. they are hardheaded and are convinced that what they are running here works as it did at other places.

 

[EFIL 4 ENAC]

1. If the seniors are so bad, who's decision was it to continue to play them?
2. Pierre and Armbrister are the result of missing out on other more talented guys. That's a recruiting failure not an evaluation favor. We had no choice but to take them.
3. There aren't many Shannon guys left. The players on the field are mostly guys Golden brought in. If Golden doesn't trust the guys that he brought in then who's fault is that?
4. In 4 years at temple he produced 3/4 decent NFL players. So let's not act like he turned Temple into some NFL factory. Big difference between developing kids to win in the MAC, and developing kids to win in a BCS conference. He's still recruiting those same Temple caliber players and expecting to develop and win with them here. That's why they are struggling.

 

[nycane]

if he keeps coach d, at least they will have legit talent now that can mask this. we havent had talent like aqm, valetine, chad, etc all over the field together in a while.

 

[Consigliere]

This is one of the 100 questions I have.

 

[nycane]

1. If the seniors are so bad, who's decision was it to continue to play them?
2. Pierre and Armbrister are the result of missing out on other more talented guys. That's a recruiting failure not an evaluation favor. We had no choice but to take them.
3. There aren't many Shannon guys left. The players on the field are mostly guys Golden brought in. If Golden doesn't trust the guys that he brought in then who's fault is that?
4. In 4 years at temple he produced 3/4 decent NFL players. So let's not act like he turned Temple into some NFL factory. Big difference between developing kids to win in the MAC, and developing kids to win in a BCS conference. He's still recruiting those same Temple caliber players and expecting to develop and win with them here. That's why they are struggling.

1.) i agree. because of ncaa thing i feel ag felt like they were owed loyalty. those kids werent going anywhere because no one wanted them.they were lucky randy was a lazy recruiter.
2.) Pierre i dont have a problem with, he is more productive than chick. armbrister wouldnt be playing if gionni, ej, and terry were still here. that being said, he at least plays hard. late signee and converted db. i am not expecting much.
3.)the defense was loaded with shannon guys. they have developed the players they brought it pretty well. pierre, denzel, tracy, jenkins (better but still makes mistakes) gunter, crawford, figs (for a true fresh), etc. denzel and tracy were both all conference imo. bush will be back, he is just victim of injury this year.
4.) i think you are 100% correct but he was left alot of MAC talent kids. jimmy gaines didnt even have mac offers. i dont think kelvin cain or asante had any decent offers. if they were good oregon, or st, ucla, usc, etc would have found them. that being said, the ncaa thing really hurt. i told u, i know of two kids who were 4 stars who loved miami but bought into the ncaa stuff.

 

[ball915]

if he keeps coach d, at least they will have legit talent now that can mask this. we havent had talent like aqm, valetine, chad, etc all over the field together in a while.

yes talent is on the way back up but again the players will only perform as good as a position they are in to utilize their strengths. like i said above, Shayon's Green's strength is not his athleticism and that is one reason he looks awful on our tv's. Al and Mark have a my way or highway formula and don't mold it around the 50 guys we have on defense. Pruitt at FSU in his first season as DC changed their approach in a bye week to custom fit it around their 50 defenders on roster. Bottom line is that Mark and Al are trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole

 

[nycane]

if he keeps coach d, at least they will have legit talent now that can mask this. we havent had talent like aqm, valetine, chad, etc all over the field together in a while.

yes talent is on the way back up but again the players will only perform as good as a position they are in to utilize their strengths. like i said above, Shayon's Green's strength is not his athleticism and that is one reason he looks awful on our tv's. Al and Mark have a my way or highway formula and don't mold it around the 50 guys we have on defense. Pruitt at FSU in his first season as DC changed their approach in a bye week to custom fit it around their 50 defenders on roster. Bottom line is that Mark and Al are trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole

dude, look the level of talent pruitt inherited compared to coach d. fsu is legit 3 deep at every position. the only position we will be deep at next year is cb.
like i said, we lost ej a legit nfl and all conference talent. gionni was not great but he would have beaten out gaines. Terry is at least a killer on the field.

 

[ball915]

if he keeps coach d, at least they will have legit talent now that can mask this. we havent had talent like aqm, valetine, chad, etc all over the field together in a while.

yes talent is on the way back up but again the players will only perform as good as a position they are in to utilize their strengths. like i said above, Shayon's Green's strength is not his athleticism and that is one reason he looks awful on our tv's. Al and Mark have a my way or highway formula and don't mold it around the 50 guys we have on defense. Pruitt at FSU in his first season as DC changed their approach in a bye week to custom fit it around their 50 defenders on roster. Bottom line is that Mark and Al are trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole

dude, look the level of talent pruitt inherited compared to coach d. fsu is legit 3 deep at every position. the only position we will be deep at next year is cb.
like i said, we lost ej a legit nfl and all conference talent. gionni was not great but he would have beaten out gaines. Terry is at least a killer on the field.

you are right, he did inherit top shelf talent. however, even with elite talent he STILL adapted and made changes. if anything with us having lesser talent we should be more inclined to changes to find the right formula.

 

[bolomite21]

3rd down conversions on both sides of the ball were the downfall of this team. If we could have had a few more 3rd down stops on defense, and a few conversions on offense a game, we might have won 1 or 2 more games. It blows my mind that we run the hurry up offense and use no time off the clock, when we know the defense can't stop anybody. That Vtech 3rd and 28 that they converted was the worst thing I ever seen. Again this all goes back to coaching, and having a **** gameplan.

 

[Dees Brown]

if he keeps coach d, at least they will have legit talent now that can mask this. we havent had talent like aqm, valetine, chad, etc all over the field together in a while.

yes talent is on the way back up but again the players will only perform as good as a position they are in to utilize their strengths. like i said above, Shayon's Green's strength is not his athleticism and that is one reason he looks awful on our tv's. Al and Mark have a my way or highway formula and don't mold it around the 50 guys we have on defense. Pruitt at FSU in his first season as DC changed their approach in a bye week to custom fit it around their 50 defenders on roster. Bottom line is that Mark and Al are trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole

Funny you say that. The top 2 coaches in America, Urban and saban coach "My way or the highway". JJ coached by Fear. They loved JJ, but feared him to.

**** Erickson and Carroll were player coaches. What people dont want to admit F.A.G is learning on the job.

All the coaches I named had 3 or 4 stops before they became successful. This Al Second head coaching job.

 

[Torocane]

You don't give out 500 yard games and QB career days at the rate our DC hands them out and not be a systemic problem.

 

[nycane]

i remember watching the defense body language against wake forest. i think people underestimate how much morris hurt his team. our time of possession was 118 out of 123. no one can play like that and win. our defense played well in the first quarter the other night but they were on the field almost the whole first half. we have no depth to add to it.

 

[Dandycane]

The only explanation is that: before the Shapiro mess hit, Golden was balls to the wall - to hit the ground running and try to make a splash from the get go.....after the mass of suspensions and distractions Golden made his decision to stay but essentially threw up his hands and said **** it regarding any timetable for improvement and decided it was going to be his way over the long haul. If that meant riding out this awful senior class (and giving them carte blanche for their loyalty out of principal) while prepping the program for his system while recruiting his personnel.....so be it.

 

[Dghustla]

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This is from 2003. UVA is on defense at 1:45-1:56, 2:48-3:21, 5:05-5:19, 5:41-6:08,7:34-8:05

The alignments look similar to what we use now. And these guys weren't world beaters but right away you see how much closer the LBs and CB play to the LOS. And how they look to attach down hill. As the game went on when you look at the later clips you see more 5 and 6 man pressures. I would consider 03 pitt and 03 UVA to be an even matchup. The group of guys they had were able to get pressure and collapse the pocket only sending a 3 man rush. This is something we haven't been able to do. with Chick, Porter/Robinson,Peirre. Looks like they ran alot more man than we do. And they also matched up with the offensive personnel.

 

[Dghustla]

The only explanation is that: before the Shapiro mess hit, Golden was balls to the wall - to hit the ground running and try to make a splash from the get go.....after the mass of suspensions and distractions Golden made his decision to stay but essentially threw up his hands and said **** it regarding any timetable for improvement and decided it was going to be his way over the long haul. If that meant riding out this awful senior class (and giving them carte blanche for their loyalty out of principal) while prepping the program for his system while recruiting his personnel.....so be it.

here is the thing though. This SR class is Golden's guys. They've been in the system 3 whole years. They might not be perfect fits. but with the amount of time that Gaines has been in this system was there nothing he could be taught to be better? Did the coaching staff really milk everything they could out of this group?

Think about that, All of these SRs are the personnel Golden wants. he developed Utough and molded these guys into the players he wanted. He bulked up Pierre, Chick, Perryman, Gaines, etc. Remember way back in August the quote was "We finally have some size. It's not ok to be a 215 LB here anymore." This is how Golden wanted his team to look. I don't question whose guys these are. I question why were we covering WR with LBs?

 

[DeadPoets]

Dude never won the MAAC despite having better recruiting classes than any other team in the conference.

They are fraud. Period.

Look no further than Al Groh for how successful this system can be.

Fvck all these coaches.

 

[NVA CANE]

golden moved UVA from bottom of fbs defensively to top 20. Marc was his lb coach. at temple, they worked miracles. Here they are playing passive.I had a family friend who played lb at temple and said coach d is very aggressive guy. It doesn't make sense to me.
honestly, i feel one thing is attrition but i bet right now he has to be regretting being so loyal to the seniors because he seemed ready to blurt out they suck in the post game. I mean, our star defensive linemen is a kid we flipped last minute from temple (pierre), armbrister was a late signing and a converted safety. I have to think they just dont trust the talent. How could guys develop uva and temple guys into productive nfl players yet they are struggling here. i am so confused.

In all honesty, its golden that got them to the bottom defensively. The year before Golden got there, I believe UVA was ranked in the 60s defensively. Golden's first year at UVA they were 100+ (if I remember correctly). The reason they improved into the top twenty by year 4 was because they were in the system so long. He was working with upperclassmen at that point. Notice the significant drop off from year 4 to year 5 under Golden's tenure.

He needs upperclassmen to be successful and he may not get that at Miami cause the really good players will leave after 3 years.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

What Golden did at UVA is another myth that gets perpetuated around here. He peaked at 18 in 2003, but otherwise consistently fielded much worse defenses. This is what his defenses ranked:

2001: 93
2002: 100
2003: 67
2004: 18
2005: 60

The year he posted the vaunted 18th defense is an outlier in a trend of mediocre to poor defenses.

 

[NVA CANE]

What Golden did at UVA is another myth that gets perpetuated around here but it's deceiving. He peaked at 18 in 2003. This is what his defenses ranked:

2001: 93
2002: 100
2003: 67
2004: 18
2005: 60

The year he posted the vaunted 18th defense is an outlier in a trend of mediocre to poor defenses.

Exactly what I was trying to say but so much better. Funny thing is, you will see the exact same trend at Temple. But for some reason people just don't want to hear it.